Micro(2nl-25nl) cash game thread-October (Strat only)

[micromachine]

Its not a lot for 10NL

Your 10BI down in EV... its not a huge amount.

Its 55% 2NL, 40% 5NL and 5% 10NL. So really I am over 20BI down I would say

Id be more concerned why you are not making a profit rather than how close to LR EV you are running.

This is my main concern I have been beating 2NL for quite a while now. Nearly all my losses come from 5NL, which I was playing before 2NL.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Its 55% 2NL, 40% 5NL and 5% 10NL. So really I am over 20BI down I would say



This is my main concern I have been beating 2NL for quite a while now. Nearly all my losses come from 5NL, which I was playing before 2NL.

Play more hands in position and fewer hands OOP

Playing too many hands OOP is nearly always the root cause of losses

 

[micromachine]

Play more hands in position and fewer hands OOP

Playing too many hands OOP is nearly always the root cause of losses

I'm getting better at this but its definately something I need to work on.

 

[orangepeeleo]

OK but over 100K hands (everything) I am -$250 profit (what am I going to do when the welcome bonus runs out lol) and $100 under EV!! That's a lot isn't it?

How many bb's below ev are you, thats a better way to measure it as you are playing different stakes. My ev line looks crazy bad but i'm actually 'only' 800bb below ev over like 93k hands in my db, because most of my runbad was at 10nl and my graph is a mix of 2, 5, and 10nl.

Just ignore it thought in general.

 

[alaskabill]

Play more hands in position and fewer hands OOP

Playing too many hands OOP is nearly always the root cause of losses

QFT! Whenever I hit a bad patch and take a detailed look at how I'm playiing it always comes down to the idea that I start finding reasons to convince myself that in this "one exceptional case" because of my "sick read" etc. its okay to start playing borderline hands OOP or calling 3 bets OOP etc.

When I do that I lose. When I focus on position I win. I still basically suck at poker but you can beat 2nl and 5nl on stars and 4nl on merge by position, value betting and a non insane starting hand range.

With any luck I'll be testing this at 10NL any day now and I expect that it will hold form there.

 

[micromachine]

How many bb's below ev are you, thats a better way to measure it as you are playing different stakes. My ev line looks crazy bad but i'm actually 'only' 800bb below ev over like 93k hands in my db, because most of my runbad was at 10nl and my graph is a mix of 2, 5, and 10nl.

Just ignore it thought in general.

1300BB below EV over 100K hands (profit is -2600BB). That is ridic surely?

 

[WVHillbilly]

Not really. Check out the variance simulator here: http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/variance_simulator/

 

[Logan2]

I'm getting better at this but its definately something I need to work on.

I think you are missing the point of the graph. Agreed that you are running below ev but need to notice that your red line is still in the losing side , so even if your green line was like the red one you still be losing.

Side note, why you going to get back to 2nl if have 40buyins for 5nl? ($200)

 

[micromachine]

I think you are missing the point of the graph. Agreed that you are running below ev but need to notice that your red line is still in the losing side , so even if your green line was like the red one you still be losing.

Side note, why you going to get back to 2nl if have 40buyins for 5nl? ($200)

Hi Logan,
I'm not missing the point at all! I realise that I am losing. This is my main concern, not the EV line. I was just questioning whether it was normal to be so much below EV.
I'm going back to 2NL for a bit cos its the only stake I seem to be able to beat right now.

 

[imwatcher]

I think you are missing the point of the graph. Agreed that you are running below ev but need to notice that your red line is still in the losing side , so even if your green line was like the red one you still be losing.

Side note, why you going to get back to 2nl if have 40buyins for 5nl? ($200)

Redline going down is standard

 

[micromachine]

I need to add another one to my list of reasons for running/playing bad...

7) Not being able to find the fold button...

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($1.60)
Button ($2.68)
SB ($4.35)
BB ($2.36)
Hero (UTG) ($4.69)
MP ($2.14)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

Hero bets $0.08, 3 folds, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.18) J

, 2

, 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.13, SB calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.44) 10

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.42, SB raises to $4.14 (All-In), Hero calls $3.72

River: ($8.72) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $8.72 | Rake: $0.43

Results:
SB had 2

, 10

(two pair, tens and twos).
Hero had K

, K

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won $8.29

This is an important one. Looking back over my hand histories I can see that most of my recent losses come from big pots like this where I should have folded a good but not great hand.

Anyway, going a bit better now, back up to $215.

 

[imwatcher]

Whats this guys stats?

 

[Stu_Ungar]

I need to add another one to my list of reasons for running/playing bad...

7) Not being able to find the fold button...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($1.60)
Button ($2.68)
SB ($4.35)
BB ($2.36)
Hero (UTG) ($4.69)
MP ($2.14)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

Hero bets $0.08, 3 folds, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.18) J

, 2

, 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.13, SB calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.44) 10

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.42, SB raises to $4.14 (All-In), Hero calls $3.72

River: ($8.72) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $8.72 | Rake: $0.43

Results:
SB had 2

, 10

(two pair, tens and twos).
Hero had K

, K

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won $8.29

This is an important one. Looking back over my hand histories I can see that most of my recent losses come from big pots like this where I should have folded a good but not great hand.

Anyway, going a bit better now, back up to $215.

Preflop bet bigger. Villian is likely calling a very wide range (and you should have already picked up on this) so 5-6bb

Flop, bet bigger

Turn, B/F unless you have seen him do this a lot before and think he is either bluffing or betting some weird made hand then this is a fold. If he is passive postflop, this is never a draw and never a hand less than an overpair.

 

[micromachine]

Whats this guys stats?

56/32, 0% 3-bet, 25 hands.

Very loose but the sample was small.

Agree with betting flop bigger, at least pot size.

Also agree with b/f the turn. This was the point of posting this really; a shove like this nearly always means something better than one-pair, even if the villain is loose. I should have folded

 

[Cafeman]

MM, sounds like you already have a handle on what's going wrong... you've now got to start sorting it out (that's the hard bit!). Stay disciplined, consistency is key, and gl mate!

 

[micromachine]

Thanks

Yeah, whats annoying is that I know how to play well enough to beat 2NL and maybe 5NL now, but then I have a bout of tilt or losing discipline or playing drunk/tired playing that ruins it, and i have to spend ages recovering the BR! Yeh just need to stay disciplined I think.

I'm gonna stick to 2NL and 5NL only (not in the same session) until I am convinced I can beat 5NL.

 

[taaron]

Thanks

Yeah, whats annoying is that I know how to play well enough to beat 2NL and maybe 5NL now, but then I have a bout of tilt or losing discipline or playing drunk/tired playing that ruins it, and i have to spend ages recovering the BR! Yeh just need to stay disciplined I think.

Ya what cafe wrote is really tru, and i can personally attest to discipline being a difficult thing to be consistent w/. There are several spots on any given table, w/ various villain types, that i want to play a speculative hand, or from marginal postion.
The most difficult spot for me to stay disciplined is vs. Lags, when i see them playing ATC "showdown" and not Hold-em. it just makes me want to make them cry, sigh. and then i can get impatient.

 

[imwatcher]

says the guy with 7k hands at PS, down $42, -3.42bb/100

Dont want to start the war up again, just showing that im not a losing player

 

[brank]

^^^Solid contribution to the thread

 

[micromachine]

8) have a daily stop loss both for losing AND for winning.

This has happened a few times to me now when playing for a long time on one day:
- I start out really well, win 5BIs or so in the first 2-3 hours.
- I start losing and get back down to zero over the next couple of hours.
- I lose 7-8 BIs in the next 2-3 hours and finish horribly down for the day.

Anyone else had this? I agree that you should stop for the day after losing maybe 3 or 4 buy-ins to avoid tilting, but what about stopping for the day after winning a few buy ins? And maybe switching and playing an MTT instead?

Terrible month continues, bankroll is $150 now I refuse to deposit again so I'll be playing 2NL for a bit and taking 5NL shots when over $160. On the plus side I'm not too far off my next $50 bonus.

I tried cascading tables and playing 10 2NL tables at once, worked well at first but then went wrong. Think I'll just stick to 4 tables so I can actually watch villains properly.

 

[JOEBOB69]

2-3 hour sessions muti tabeing is draining.If I have a hour free I'll start then sit out in a hour instead of a winning stop loss persay.Yeah an stack your tables there is no other way to play.

 

[micromachine]

2-3 hour sessions muti tabeing is draining.If I have a hour free I'll start then sit out in a hour instead of a winning stop loss persay.Yeah an stack your tables there is no other way to play.

By stack you mean tile, right? (ie so you can see them all)

 

[JOEBOB69]

By stack you mean tile, right? (ie so you can see them all)

No! Stars let's you stack tables right?

 

[micromachine]

No! Stars let's you stack tables right?

Yeah, but then I would have the same problem I had when cascading them, which is that I cannot play the players, so I lose my edge. Or can you keep track of what your opponents are doing when stacking? And how many did you stack normally? Maybe I made a too big jump - 4 to 10 tables and should do 6 or 8 first.

 

[Cafeman]

MM, you talking about 10 tabling 6max?