The Mental Game (tilt control), loose passive games, etc.

[mbrenneman0]

Finally. Yes. Some real chip porn for y'all.


12. UTG ($384) 6-6. We limp, others limp, villain in SB raises to $10, BB calls, we call, end up seeing 7w flop of A-8-6r. Checks to us, we bet $40, UTG+1 raises to $100, folds to villain, he flats, BB folds, we ship, UTG+1 calls for around $200, villain calls all in for $235ish. Villain shows me As-5s. Board runs out, we hold. (+$487)

corrections in blue


nice hand

 

[Beanfacekilla]

corrections in blue


nice hand

Lol. Alright.


I will try and make the adjustment.

 

[denisloko]

I think this mental problem are 90 % of us players , know how to make the Correda leitural of play .Many of the time we entered into the wrong hands , only to have lost a hand where we think we are absolute .
Thank you for the tips .

 

[Beanfacekilla]

This chart is about 550 hours or so. It's since the beginning of April.

This kinda illustrates the reason I created the thread.

The downswing was tough.


I think I might be coming out of it now. I feel it helped me immensely with the mental game.

 

[mbrenneman0]

Yeah those swings look brutal. I can see why you have your issues with entitlement tilt, after big streaks of nothing but win win win, it always comes as a surprise when you lose a few sessions too

You should check out the life and times of Jason sommerville series on YouTube. The whole series take like an hour and a half to watch but he talks about his first big swings when he was 18 and before anybody really understood the impact of varience. I think he said he lost about half his bankroll in the course of a few hours on his 18th birthday. He talks about how when you're going through the swings it feels life threatening but when you zoom way out and look at the long term, they end up just looking like little speed bumps.. That upswing at the end there turns that into a good looking graph after all.

 

[IPlay]

What tilts me live.

When you are playing with a mega fish or two with a big stack and are card dead for a few hours while finding a spot.

New player sits down and stacks them in half hours time and the fish leave.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

What tilts me live.

When you are playing with a mega fish or two with a big stack and are card dead for a few hours while finding a spot.

New player sits down and stacks them in half hours time and the fish leave.

Yes.

That tilts me too. Waiting for cards, watching all the strange things people are doing.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Yeah those swings look brutal. I can see why you have your issues with entitlement tilt, after big streaks of nothing but win win win, it always comes as a surprise when you lose a few sessions too

You should check out the life and times of Jason sommerville series on YouTube. The whole series take like an hour and a half to watch but he talks about his first big swings when he was 18 and before anybody really understood the impact of varience. I think he said he lost about half his bankroll in the course of a few hours on his 18th birthday. He talks about how when you're going through the swings it feels life threatening but when you zoom way out and look at the long term, they end up just looking like little speed bumps.. That upswing at the end there turns that into a good looking graph after all.

I started watching it last night. Fell asleep within minutes though. Gonna give it another go tonight after session.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Don't even know what to do but laugh. WTF.


2. MP ($269) 7-7. We limp. Others limp. Flop 7h-4h-9d. We bet $10, SS raises to $20 ($40 total stack), folds around to us, we RR to $65, dude calls AI for $40 total. Turn 5, river 6 (no hearts), SS rolls 8c-9c FTW. Wow. (-$42)

 

[mbrenneman0]

Don't even know what to do but laugh. WTF.


2. MP ($269) 7-7. We limp. Others limp. Flop 7h-4h-9d. We bet $10, SS raises to $20 ($40 total stack), folds around to us, we RR to $65, dude calls AI for $40 total. Turn 5, river 6 (no hearts), SS rolls 8c-9c FTW. Wow. (-$42)

I think he had positive EV on every call.. I thought as I was reading that he was going to make a flush on the river

Edit: Nvm, first flop call is definitely negative EV for him.

 

[IPlay]

Don't even know what to do but laugh. WTF.


2. MP ($269) 7-7. We limp. Others limp. Flop 7h-4h-9d. We bet $10, SS raises to $20 ($40 total stack), folds around to us, we RR to $65, dude calls AI for $40 total. Turn 5, river 6 (no hearts), SS rolls 8c-9c FTW. Wow. (-$42)

Just be happy this happened 20bbs deep and not 200bbs deep

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I think he had positive EV on every call.. I thought as I was reading that he was going to make a flush on the river

No, not +EV. 6% to win, almost 19:1 dog here. He would need 20:1 odds to be +EV.

But no, he's never folding as played. It's not a big deal. I brushed it off. I just busted him for his last $14.


I just thought hand was funny. It stung a little. Then I say to myself "what are you mad for fool? This guy is great to have at a table. Let him run it up, so we can hopefully win a big hand vs him"


Oh well.

Things are going ok ATM. I hope I can play mistake free.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Just be happy this happened 20bbs deep and not 200bbs deep

Oh yeah.... I was thinking about that right after. Sure am glad I didn't get stacked there.

 

[mbrenneman0]

No, not +EV. 6% to win, almost 19:1 dog here. He would need 20:1 odds to be +EV.

But no, he's never folding as played. It's not a big deal. I brushed it off. I just busted him for his last $14.


I just thought hand was funny. It stung a little. Then I say to myself "what are you mad for fool? This guy is great to have at a table. Let him run it up, so we can hopefully win a big hand vs him"


Oh well.

Things are going ok ATM. I hope I can play mistake free.

Oh right, I misread the hand >_<
I read that as he flopped an oesd and thought the pot was bigger before the flop.which with implied odds could justify calling 1:3 but alas he had a runner runner draw

Edit: ..... I'm thinking about it and I feel like I could be very wrong still about those odds.. My math brain isn't firing on all cylinders at the moment

But yeah, that's the best way to look at it

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Oh right, I misread the hand >_<
I read that as he flopped an oesd and thought the pot was bigger before the flop.which with implied odds could justify calling 1:3 but alas he had a runner runner draw

Edit: ..... I'm thinking about it and I feel like I could be very wrong still about those odds.. My math brain isn't firing on all cylinders at the moment

But yeah, that's the best way to look at it

I know my shorthand way of HH is kinda tough to read at first.

 

[mbrenneman0]

I guess no one's made a hand converter for live yet

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I was so card dead today. Couldn't make anything happen.


I used to get tilted by being card dead. I would play hands I shouldn't, using logic like "this is the best hand I've seen all day (with A-5s, against UTG raiser)."


Now I just do my thing. Yay me.

 

[Beterok555]

Yes there is a black strip in poker, and in life someone is lucky, and someone isn't present...

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Last night's session was going ok. Up a little, then down a little, this hand occurred...


12. HJ ($204) 9c-9s. Limpers. We limp. BTN raises to $12, 2 or 3c, we call and close.

Flop 2-4-5r.

Checks through.

Turn 7h. (Two hearts now).

BB bets $33, folds to us, we call, others fold.

River 5. No flush possible.


Dude bets $105. I am thinking and thinking and thinking. He has been very active. Missed FDs, 3x with hearts, 7x, who knows what he has. He could also have sets, 2p that got counterfeited, and PPs 8-8~JJ. It's a pretty wide range. These are real time thoughts. He is breathing heavily. I don't know if I'm good or not. I make the call finally.


Does anyone have any thoughts to share about this hand? I'm not the greatest hand reader in the world. I was really on the fence on this river.


I would love some feedback.

 

[mbrenneman0]

Last night's session was going ok. Up a little, then down a little, this hand occurred...


12. HJ ($204) 9c-9s. Limpers. We limp. BTN raises to $12, 2 or 3c, we call and close.

Flop 2-4-5r.

Checks through.

Turn 7h. (Two hearts now).

BB bets $33, folds to us, we call, others fold.

River 5. No flush possible.


Dude bets $105. I am thinking and thinking and thinking. He has been very active. Missed FDs, 3x with hearts, 7x, who knows what he has. He could also have sets, 2p that got counterfeited, and PPs 8-8~JJ. It's a pretty wide range. These are real time thoughts. He is breathing heavily. I don't know if I'm good or not. I make the call finally.


Does anyone have any thoughts to share about this hand? I'm not the greatest hand reader in the world. I was really on the fence on this river.


I would love some feedback.

i think his nirvousness is a sign of strength if he's not an experienced player and the pot sized bets... im thinking A3 or 5x. i think thats an easy fold... hes just good too often

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Pot was $60 on the flop, and it was about $126 on the river.

Pretty sure we went 5w to flop.

I just didn't know what to do on the river.

 

[mbrenneman0]

oh my bad, i thought 12$ bet with a few callers would be approx a 30$ pot

but it was still half pot then pretty close to pot on the river


anyways:

"I examined poker tells that were both voluntary and involuntary. Many of these clues come from players who are not acting. For instance, when you hear and see an opponent breathing fast, loud, or erratically, there's a great chance that he holds a strong hand. This is involuntary. Conversely, a player who is bluffing is often afraid to breathe. You will encounter very shallow breathing from typical bluffers. Sometimes they don't breathe at all. Again, this isn't an act."
- Mike Caro
( https://www.pokerschoolonline.com/articles/Caro-Strategies-40-How-to-Watch-For-Tells )

 

[Beanfacekilla]

oh my bad, i thought 12$ bet with a few callers would be approx a 30$ pot

but it was still half pot then pretty close to pot on the river


anyways:

"I examined poker tells that were both voluntary and involuntary. Many of these clues come from players who are not acting. For instance, when you hear and see an opponent breathing fast, loud, or erratically, there's a great chance that he holds a strong hand. This is involuntary. Conversely, a player who is bluffing is often afraid to breathe. You will encounter very shallow breathing from typical bluffers. Sometimes they don't breathe at all. Again, this isn't an act."
- Mike Caro
( https://www.pokerschoolonline.com/articles/Caro-Strategies-40-How-to-Watch-For-Tells )

I've seen it both ways, the breathing. I'm pretty sure it's player dependant, and it depends on the spot also.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Just read that article. Thanks for that. I have studied a ton of Caro's stuff over the years.


He was sitting there, very still. Breathing heavily, but not huffing and puffing like crazy or anything. He placed the bet in a somewhat aggressive fashion. There were alot of things happening. I didn't know what to make of it. I can still see them image of his behavior in my head very clearly.

 

[mbrenneman0]

Just read that article. Thanks for that. I have studied a ton of Caro's stuff over the years.


He was sitting there, very still. Breathing heavily, but not huffing and puffing like crazy or anything. He placed the bet in a somewhat aggressive fashion. There were alot of things happening. I didn't know what to make of it. I can still see them image of his behavior in my head very clearly.

I imagine Caro is exaggerating when he said "like crazy" ...maybe "like crazy" compared to the stone cold pros

I think its more likely to be inexperience and lack of awareness at the signals he's giving off than an act. If it is an act, this isn't the spot to test him on it. Wait for a better spot.

He showed A3 didn't he?