Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
So yeah, really goofed this hand.
I underestimated my opponent(s) hand strength here.
3. CO ($317) 9c-9h. Straddled pot. 3 or 4L, we limp, gets around to straddler, he raises option to $20 (only $50-$60 back), 3c, we call, all others fold. Flop 2-5-6r. PFR bets $35, UTG+1 folds, 2 flat callers. We ship (we cover everyone), straddler calls AI for $60, 1 flat caller folds (1st flat caller of $35, all this guy does is make bad calls, about $200 after calling flop), 2nd guy goes AI for $137. Turn Kh, river 6. We show, dude who was 2nd flat caller OTF has 5-6o for boat. I thought he prob had a 6 anyways, but I was surprised he had top 2 OTF, and just flat called. I thought we had way the best hand OTF, and I thought I should try and ISO straddler with SS. Dude who flopped top 2 must be scared money, why he's so passive. He wins pot. (-$162)
I know some of you may comment on my limping preflop. I had my reasons though. The straddler was a short stack (SS), and I didn't want to raise to $20, and have him ship, and others call (goofy table), and end up possibly getting blown off 9-9 IP. So that's why I did that....
As for postflop, I don't know why I was so confident I had the best hand, misread.... whoops.
This might normally tilt me, and mess my game up.
However, I didn't miss a beat. I played like nothing happened. It was actually great for my image I think.
I whacked another guy on the table twice in 1 orbit for 100 BB each time shortly after this hand. This guy loved lighting money on fire pre, and loved to call, and never fold. He is a dream opponent if we run good.
So, I hate my mistake, but I love the fact that I was able to continue playing well after it.
I will learn from this one, and move on.
I underestimated my opponent(s) hand strength here.
3. CO ($317) 9c-9h. Straddled pot. 3 or 4L, we limp, gets around to straddler, he raises option to $20 (only $50-$60 back), 3c, we call, all others fold. Flop 2-5-6r. PFR bets $35, UTG+1 folds, 2 flat callers. We ship (we cover everyone), straddler calls AI for $60, 1 flat caller folds (1st flat caller of $35, all this guy does is make bad calls, about $200 after calling flop), 2nd guy goes AI for $137. Turn Kh, river 6. We show, dude who was 2nd flat caller OTF has 5-6o for boat. I thought he prob had a 6 anyways, but I was surprised he had top 2 OTF, and just flat called. I thought we had way the best hand OTF, and I thought I should try and ISO straddler with SS. Dude who flopped top 2 must be scared money, why he's so passive. He wins pot. (-$162)
I know some of you may comment on my limping preflop. I had my reasons though. The straddler was a short stack (SS), and I didn't want to raise to $20, and have him ship, and others call (goofy table), and end up possibly getting blown off 9-9 IP. So that's why I did that....
As for postflop, I don't know why I was so confident I had the best hand, misread.... whoops.
This might normally tilt me, and mess my game up.
However, I didn't miss a beat. I played like nothing happened. It was actually great for my image I think.
I whacked another guy on the table twice in 1 orbit for 100 BB each time shortly after this hand. This guy loved lighting money on fire pre, and loved to call, and never fold. He is a dream opponent if we run good.
So, I hate my mistake, but I love the fact that I was able to continue playing well after it.
I will learn from this one, and move on.
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
i probably would have played that exactly the same way...he has 56 34 or a set so few times here... most of the time im thinking A6 or just a cbet with overcards (although i suppose that depends if this is the kind of guy to cbet often) id write this up as a cooler, and take a note that this guy raises small in a limped pot with low connectors
EDIT: you did say he bet already and only had 60 left to call with right? so started the hand with 115? is this 2/3?
EDIT: you did say he bet already and only had 60 left to call with right? so started the hand with 115? is this 2/3?
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Dan Lucas
Rock Star
Silver Level
Having read these posts, I have to comment because I have gone through the same thing, albeit for smaller amounts. But I found my leak was expecting to win all the time, and then bad-mouthing players who I thought were inferior to me. I went through ups and downs, and then tried to make bad situations worse by not managing my anger and my bankroll. CC has been great at seeing others experiences, suggestions and vents. And I have begun to learn that I can't treat opponents as inferior just because I want it to be so. I have also learned that when I manage my bankroll conservatively, I have been much more successful. You are in a tough situation trying to be a F/T player. Like the pro's say, it might be the hardest way to make an easy living.
Having said all this, I believe that you are well on your way to turning around your fortunes, but stick to your program, listen to your mentors and be prepared to lose and make the wrong decision. We can't learn from our successes, we can only learn from our failures.
Having said all this, I believe that you are well on your way to turning around your fortunes, but stick to your program, listen to your mentors and be prepared to lose and make the wrong decision. We can't learn from our successes, we can only learn from our failures.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
He had about $80 total preflop (the straddler).
However, it wasn't the straddler who had 5-6. It was some dude in MP. Straddler bets flop, 2 callers (2nd caller had the 6-5).
We raised/shoved. Ran into it.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks for the contribution! I also had a similar mindset, but I have worked to change it around.
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
Ah, gotchya so the guy with 56 had 115?
I just don't see how you can ever flat call, everyone else comes along for a minraise, and the shove usually isolates the raiser. And its hard to justify a fold here.. Although I suppose you could, it just seems like the shove is the most EV, and you usually have the best hand, you often pick up the pot right there, and you still have outs to improve (although not many)
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
He had $137 I think on the flop. He called $35, then when we shoved he has $137 total for flop. So we doubled him up. He was very loose passive (unbeknownst to me at that time).
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
That's valuable info
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
Youre not always going to play your A game, that's okay as long as your C game is good enough to be making long term profitable decisions. Maybe take a short break and try a table change
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Now tough player is tilted. He is losing. He is sitting with around $100, and he's in a pot right now.
I tried to table change but this is a good table. Still waiting for floor to switch me, but now I don't even care.
Hope this guy in seat 2 (tougher player) leaves soon. Then table will be wide open.
Edit: dude lost pot he was in. He has $65 now
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
Nice!
Remember the inchworm model, correcting mistakes in your C game is the best way to improve your A game, so sometimes its good to play your C game because now you can find things you need to work on. Try to keep a mental hand history so you can think later about areas you can improve
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
I actually write down most hands I VPIP. If it goes past the flop, I write it down.
Tricky player just went busto. He limped in, SB raised to $7, and he shoved for $66. SB called with KK.
Tricky player is on the way home now. He had about 60 mins of good play, then he got tilted and spewed.
I am glad he couldn't stay on his a-game, cause he was a pain in the ass.
I am just so used to playing with droolers, any thinking/aggro player is tough to adjust to (sometimes). Boards were also unfavorable for me most times anyway. I'm running like shit ATM.
However, table is now filled with easy opponents. I need cards. Now.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Yaaaay!
8. SB ($184) Js-Jh. Limpers. We raise to $17, two loose ass Vs call. Flop Ac-10d-4d. We cbet $35, BB calls, HJ raises to $115, we fold, BB tanks forever, and folds. HJ shows A-4. FML. BB shows As when he folds. FML. (-$52)
8. SB ($184) Js-Jh. Limpers. We raise to $17, two loose ass Vs call. Flop Ac-10d-4d. We cbet $35, BB calls, HJ raises to $115, we fold, BB tanks forever, and folds. HJ shows A-4. FML. BB shows As when he folds. FML. (-$52)
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
Be glad hijack told you he's got you beat haha 😆
That's probably because when you refer to your opponents as 'droolers' you trick yourself into thinking you are always the best player at the table. Stop thinking about your opponents in derogatory terms... Not because its not nice but because you're not doing yourself any favors in thinking that way. This is your most obvious and easily corrected mental game flaw.
That's probably because when you refer to your opponents as 'droolers' you trick yourself into thinking you are always the best player at the table. Stop thinking about your opponents in derogatory terms... Not because its not nice but because you're not doing yourself any favors in thinking that way. This is your most obvious and easily corrected mental game flaw.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
After I folded JJ, BB was tanking. He is talking to HJ.
He is saying something like "I know you have a flush draw. You wouldn't raise a good hand here."
He says, "whatever, I fold. Know you have a flush draw. You would never raise with a good hand." He shows the As.
I say " He has 2p or a set bro." Right after I say that, HJ tables A-4. Yeah.
We just moved to the left of the guy who folded and showed As.
He is saying something like "I know you have a flush draw. You wouldn't raise a good hand here."
He says, "whatever, I fold. Know you have a flush draw. You would never raise with a good hand." He shows the As.
I say " He has 2p or a set bro." Right after I say that, HJ tables A-4. Yeah.
We just moved to the left of the guy who folded and showed As.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
I know you're right. Entitlement tilt has been a problem for me. I really am working on it.
Thanks for the (good) advice.
Edit: But I don't really mean it in derogatory terms. Live players are just so bad generally. I have alot to learn. I know I'm not that good yet. FWIW, I really do have very low self-esteem. I think my comments come across worse than they really are.
But yes, need to stop that stuff
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mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
Don't be too nice to your opponents though haha just don't assume youre better than them or you end up like me telling the short stack how to play his short stack perfectly in an mtt
Sometimes they could be a really sick player with some serious chops who's just having an off day.
Sometimes they could be a really sick player with some serious chops who's just having an off day.
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Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
I put an edit on my last post. Because page changed, I know you prob didn't see it.
mbrenneman0
Legend
Silver Level
Ahh youre right, I didn't see that. Thanks.
And yeah, I know the feeling. Some days I feel like I'm just going to lose forever, other days I know I'm going to get better and improve my win rate.
Youre a good poker player, and you've got some serious chops. Ive definitely learned a lot from you in hand analysis threads. But the game is competitive, and these days, with so much literature on poker available, the separation between a consistent winning player and a break even player is their mental game.
I haven't been to a live game since I really started but in the games I play, there are a lot of horrible players, but there are also a lot of really solid players, talent levels are pretty diverse, so its best to assume a player is good until they give you good reason to think other wise.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
Finally. Yes. Some real chip porn for y'all.
12. UTG ($384) 6-6. We limp, others limp, super drooler in SB raises to $10, BB calls, we call, end up seeing 7w flop of A-8-6r. Checks to us, we bet $40, UTG+1 raises to $100, folds to super drooler, he flats, BB folds, we ship, UTG+1 calls for around $200, super drooler calls all in for $235ish. Super drooler shows me As-5s. Board runs out, we hold. (+$487)
12. UTG ($384) 6-6. We limp, others limp, super drooler in SB raises to $10, BB calls, we call, end up seeing 7w flop of A-8-6r. Checks to us, we bet $40, UTG+1 raises to $100, folds to super drooler, he flats, BB folds, we ship, UTG+1 calls for around $200, super drooler calls all in for $235ish. Super drooler shows me As-5s. Board runs out, we hold. (+$487)
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