Beating Micro Stakes Zoom Poker On Stars

[acky100]

To get action with big hands stop being nits and folding KK lol!

In the interest of newbies reading this as some solid advice for zoom, there is some good stuff, but there is also some terrible advice. Granted you can beat these stakes being a weak passive player but learning some bad habits are just costing money and gonna cost even more when people move up.

The whole having no reads in zoom so playing a 1 size fits all strategy is just ridiculous really, its alright if you wanna grind out 2nl zoom for 3BB/100 but learning to play properly and not just make up rules like not going all in with KK is just lolbad and stopping you beat the games for the winrates that are achieveable.

 

[acky100]

I know im coming across as a bastard but really my main problem with it is playing a 1 size fits all game, really shouldn't be our goal unless the guide is soley "how to show a profit at 2nl zoom and play like a robot"

 

[TheGenera1]

Well that's why you adjust your game as you go up. Each limit plays slightly differently. How pray, are you supposed to play player tendencies when all you have to go by is the current hand and sometimes their fishy stack size. At zoom I don't feel you have such an edge as you do in regular games due to the large player pool and lack of information, therefore it is not possible to adjust your game to suit each player. Hence the 1 size fits all strategy.

It also seems like common sense to me not to shove KK for 100bb when everytime I have done so I have been up against either AA or KK which is a loss or split pot. If they are much less than 100bb deep then of course I am shoving it, and I am mostly ahead.

Once 2nl is beaten, then you adjust your game to suit the stakes you are playing. To be honest, I have a feeling that guys that have been losing for years and years would like to find a winning strategy. That feels good to people, to finally be able to beat a game with what ever strategy. I feel my topic here will do more good than harm. I speak to some of the people here in skype so I can easily help them adjust to the bigger games when moving up.

 

[bert0111]

nice post. but i dispise zoom with a passion

its just a faster way for me to lose my monies

 

[dazzammm]

starting to dabble again but still think its rigged.

played 800 hands and saw the flop 78 times. out of them 78 hands i saw the flop i was beaten by quads 3 times. thats quads once every 26 hands!!!!

still think its not rigged?

one hand i flopped 2nd pair, back door flush and a gutshot, one other guy flopped two pair and the 3rd flopped a straight. all the money goes in. guy 2 hits a king for a full house on the turn and another for quads on the river. (and it was me who shoved first!

still think its not rigged?

 

[naruto_miu]

nice post. but i dispise zoom with a passion

its just a faster way for me to lose my monies

lol love this comment

 

[TheBowlBoy]

starting to dabble again but still think its rigged.

played 800 hands and saw the flop 78 times. out of them 78 hands i saw the flop i was beaten by quads 3 times. thats quads once every 26 hands!!!!

still think its not rigged?

one hand i flopped 2nd pair, back door flush and a gutshot, one other guy flopped two pair and the 3rd flopped a straight. all the money goes in. guy 2 hits a king for a full house on the turn and another for quads on the river. (and it was me who shoved first!

still think its not rigged?

I know its not rigged.

 

[dazzammm]

I know its not rigged.

to the two comments above - why?
3rd hand today I get quads.

 

[Extreme Fishing]

I play zoom omaha, thats where the monies are at!

 

[TheGenera1]

800 hands is **** all, my brother once got 2 royal flushes and 4 quads in a day. Just play more hands.

 

[dazzammm]

dabble over. lost 4 buyins in 20 mins. aces cracked by flopped set and twice the case card flopped giving me 2 pair and the other guy a set. strange my bank roll hit the exact same level last time before my "luck" changed.

 

[TheGenera1]

Lol when an opponent flops a set, it is impossible for you to lose a stack by playing well. If he slow plays or bets small then you lose the minimum, if he raises the flop or turn/shoves river, then you know your SINGE PAIR is no good buddy. Learn to fold over pairs when up against extreme aggression.
Also why are you stacking off with 2 pair? that's a bad idea as well. Bet big with them, but if they shove you all in then you have to rely on your reads to know whether to call or not.
No offence but I think the reason you are losing is because you are not a winning player.

 

[orangepeeleo]

played 3k hands ish of zoom, have decided that its profitable, but ****in boring.

My sessions went something along the lines of, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal...oop someones called in the blinds - cbet - tid, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal, ah AA - someones opened - i 3bet - they fold, steal, steal, steal, steal, steal.

Wouldnt have minded if I was hitting huge volume but 3 tabling that was getting me about an extra 70-100 hands per hour, which isnt enough extra volume for the sacrifices you make to your post flop game (there isnt one imo)

Thanks but no thanks, was going to try and grind it for a month, lasted 5 days

 

[TheGenera1]

Ahh well, you seem good. Once less shark for me to worry about -_-

 

[dazzammm]

having another dabble. seem to be less bothered about the cooler hands - my adrenal glands must be on the mend and getting less stressed out.
had kings 3 times - lost every time to aces.
had aces 3 times - only picked up the blinds everytime.
should i be able to recognise a shove against my re-raise as aces?
still think its rigged to f**k.

 

[dazzammm]

just checked the odds of someone getting kings vs aces 3 hands in a row is 1 in 8000. I should play the lottery more considering the number of times I encounter situation in poker that should happen only once every 10000 times

 

[fletchdad]

800 hands is **** all, my brother once got 2 royal flushes and 4 quads in a day. Just play more hands.

All I can say is fuk me....

400k hands and I have had 1 (!!!!!!!) royal flush


(a few SF and more quads than I can remember, tho...Had quad 7s today, no fukin action either....lol)

 

[fletchdad]

just checked the odds of someone getting kings vs aces 3 hands in a row is 1 in 8000. I should play the lottery more considering the number of times I encounter situation in poker that should happen only once every 10000 times

I didnt check, but what are the odds of having heads come up 10 times in a row on a coin flip?


(flip a coin a lot, I did, and then you see odds are.. well.. odds..... The exception defines the rule)

 

[dazzammm]

you are more likely to get ten heads in a row than kings running into aces 3 times in a row at a 10 handed table.

heads about 13 times in a row is comparable.

this is if youre UTG (i.e. 9 other people could have aces). move that position to MP (i.e. 5 people could have aces) and its 1 in 64000 or the same as getting 16 heads in a row or pulling an ace or king from pack of cards and putting it back 6 times in a row.
youve got a better chance of 4 numbers and 1 star number on the euromillions

all very bloody unlikely.

first time i shrugged it off, 2nd time i was annoyed, 3rd time was less surprising than the 2nd considering ITS RIGGED.

you can make a profit at zoom but you have to assume that youre against aces or a set more often than the stats tell you.

 

[fletchdad]

ITS RIGGED.

.

Oh my goodness. Finally someone has the courage to stand up and say it.

 

[dazzammm]

Oh my goodness. Finally someone has the courage to stand up and say it.

ONE DAY THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT!

or they are just picking on me.

seriously, im entitled to my opinion. there is little evidence its rigged, theres little evidence it isnt but my opinion is its rigged, while other people have the opinion it is not and both state that what they believe as fact.

why cant we all get on happily together believing that anyone who doesnt agree with us is totally deluded and an idiot?

 

[fletchdad]

ONE DAY THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT!

or they are just picking on me.

seriously, im entitled to my opinion. there is little evidence its rigged, there is a reason for this!!! theres little evidence it isnt this is simply untrue, read below... but my opinion is its rigged, while other people have the opinion it is not and both state that what they believe as fact.

why cant we all get on happily together believing that anyone who doesnt agree with us is totally deluded and an idiot?

I cant be bothered to find it again, but I posted it in the rigged mega thread. I am speaking of a site that analyzes millions of hands from the poker sites, they have done stars, 888, Merge, Party and a bunch of others. They took millions of hands that went to showdowm from each site, and compared everything to statistics and guess what? They concluded that the online card deals are simply standard card deals. I have looked in my own databank and looked at more than 250.000 hands that I have been involved with, and guess what? All normal. (Except that I dont get enough royal flushes, and when I do, I dont get much money..... hmmmm, maybe cause 3 BW monotone boards look scary???) The point is, there is ample evidence poker is not rigged, and if you care to do the research, it is there. But rigtards dont want to hear that. Believe what you want to believe.

I have stated this before, but the reason why many players get aggresive and insulting when people come on poker forums ranting about "its rigged" is because new players, who can be very gullible and naive, tend to get scared and perhaps have thoughts like "maybe I wont play online poker after all".

So you essentially help ruin new players coming on. And that will piss people off. Imagine you have a fruit stand, and someone tells your potential customers that your fruit is genetically altered and eating it will make people sick. Even tho you know your fruit is fine, some dont believe you and decide not to eat your fruit.

You would be very pleasant and say something like "why cant we all get on happily together"?

 

[dazzammm]

just because the stats add up in the long run doesnt mean its not rigged. dishing out bad luck in one hand is balanced out by a bit of good luck in another hand.
I appreciate your point but i dont think the fish are coming to forums like this to assess whether to part with their money and if they did and read the theories it would give them MORE reason to play considering the general comments are that its rigged in their favour.

lets say no more about as this is not the time nor the place. now to find the mega rigged thread you mentioned.

 

[fletchdad]

just because the stats add up in the long run doesnt mean its not rigged. d.

wat????

 

[dazzammm]

you all know my feelings on this.
am i running bad or something else.....
Id thought id looking into my expected ev after losing both allins i had during a session to a 3 outer and found that the difference between my expected EV and actual is 800 big blinds / 8 buyins!