TheGenera1
Visionary
Silver Level
I think this article will explain it in better detail than I ever could
https://www.cardschat.com/continuation-betting-poker.php
https://www.cardschat.com/continuation-betting-poker.php
TheGenera1
Visionary
Silver Level
When you feel comfortable I would suggest opening up the maximum amount of tables which is 6. It means playing 2 tables of one limit and 4 of another limit. Because it is only 6 tables you are able to stay fully focused, but because it's zoom you will see a lot more hands per hour so you can easily forget about the cooler hands.
Also don't fast fold I find it to be bad practise, and if you stack your tables you can occidentally fold the wrong hand which sucks.
can you post the HH for the set v straight hand?
Also don't fast fold I find it to be bad practise, and if you stack your tables you can occidentally fold the wrong hand which sucks.
can you post the HH for the set v straight hand?
Arjonius
Legend
Silver Level
I've only played 2nl and less than 10k hands, so I can't speak to higher levels plus my observations are based on a small sample and thus still preliminary. With this caveat, my results have been pretty positive, around 10 big bets per 100.
It seems to me that limping small and mid-pairs as well as other speculative hands from EP is often better than raising. One reason is that only a minority of players at this level know enough to raise limpers consistently. And even they have many hands they'll auto-fold.
Another reason is that one limp tends to lead to more, which means more people who may pay you off if you hit the flop. Or if someone does raise, there's more dead money in the pot.
Effective stacks are another factor. For example, let's say you open to .06 and someone makes it .20. If you use an implied odds guideline of 20x or even 15x in order to call, most opponents' stacks won't be large enough. Otoh, if you limp and get raised, the chances of having enough implied odds to call are quite a bit higher.
It seems to me that limping small and mid-pairs as well as other speculative hands from EP is often better than raising. One reason is that only a minority of players at this level know enough to raise limpers consistently. And even they have many hands they'll auto-fold.
Another reason is that one limp tends to lead to more, which means more people who may pay you off if you hit the flop. Or if someone does raise, there's more dead money in the pot.
Effective stacks are another factor. For example, let's say you open to .06 and someone makes it .20. If you use an implied odds guideline of 20x or even 15x in order to call, most opponents' stacks won't be large enough. Otoh, if you limp and get raised, the chances of having enough implied odds to call are quite a bit higher.
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KHANGURA175
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Zoom is so easy wow.. My strategy is way too sick..
Started NL2 with $100 lioke 6 weeks ago and now im at NL25 just crushing everyone..
Even coolered nanonoko on my last session of NL10 lol
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Maybe im just running good but those pics r 3 diff session of pure crushing and ive only had like 5 losing days out of about 30ish so far..
I'll c what happens in the near future n let u fools know.
If i still continue to crush I'll go ahead n post my strategy in detail cuz im a nice guy.
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ClubArrow77
Rock Star
Silver Level
Hey OP. What are your opinions on zoom and its difference to regular poker? Do you think the easy ability to fold gives players a strong incentive to simply nit up? It is better to be more tight in zoom than normal? Or should hand ranges remain the same as a reg game depending on the number of players on the table?
TheGenera1
Visionary
Silver Level
While people tend to disagree with me, I find that nitting it up is the correct strategy for beating the micro stakes zoom. People tend to only put serious money in the pot with monster hands, so it is always good to try and have 1 better. I am constantly thinking what hands beat me, and how likely it is that they have them when I'm getting in big pots. Folded bottom set 2 times yesterday, and twice I got to see my opponents hole cards. Both times they had higher sets. I just check to see if they are a fishy looking person. If they are a reg, I really have to ask my self, what would they be shoving me all in with here? an over pair in a limped pot? Don't think so... I would never fold a full house though, cos that really is nitty just bottom sets. When the board pairs you get trips and shiz calling you down.
A big rule that I follow is that: if some one is repping a strong hand, they will usually have it.
Having said that, you can abuse everyone playing really tight as well. Because the next hand is right around the corner, people are much more willing to fold the flop if they don't hit it very hard. You can raise people pre flop and bet flop and people fold a lot more than they do in regular poker I find. Don't go mad with this though
In regards to hand ranges, tight is right, and so is playing in position. Fold to 3bets oop a large amount of the time.
just bottom sets. When the board pairs you get trips and shiz calling you down. A big rule that I follow is that: if some one is repping a strong hand, they will usually have it.
Having said that, you can abuse everyone playing really tight as well. Because the next hand is right around the corner, people are much more willing to fold the flop if they don't hit it very hard. You can raise people pre flop and bet flop and people fold a lot more than they do in regular poker I find. Don't go mad with this though
In regards to hand ranges, tight is right, and so is playing in position. Fold to 3bets oop a large amount of the time.
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KHANGURA175
Rising Star
Bronze Level
While people tend to disagree with me, I find that nitting it up is the correct strategy for beating the micro stakes zoom. People tend to only put serious money in the pot with monster hands, so it is always good to try and have 1 better. I am constantly thinking what hands beat me, and how likely it is that they have them when I'm getting in big pots. Folded bottom set 2 times yesterday, and twice I got to see my opponents hole cards. Both times they had higher sets. I just check to see if they are a fishy looking person. If they are a reg, I really have to ask my self, what would they be shoving me all in with here? an over pair in a limped pot? Don't think so... I would never fold a full house though, cos that really is nitty
A big rule that I follow is that: if some one is repping a strong hand, they will usually have it.
Having said that, you can abuse everyone playing really tight as well. Because the next hand is right around the corner, people are much more willing to fold the flop if they don't hit it very hard. You can raise people pre flop and bet flop and people fold a lot more than they do in regular poker I find. Don't go mad with this though
In regards to hand ranges, tight is right, and so is playing in position. Fold to 3bets oop a large amount of the time.
I'd stop limpin small PP. I raise all PP from all positions, folding small-med to 3bets.
Yeah, you want odds to flat raise to setmine but problem is when you don't get raised and it goes to flop theres some major problems here:
1. Pot is so small its hard to get money in with ur set by river
2. Your against a range thats infinitely large from BB
3. You can't take down blinds preflop
Example vs BB: u limp 55 in HJ, fishy in CO limps as well, BB checks.
Flop : 532
On this flop, you have the nuts right? Top set FTW!..Nah, BB has 46, fishy wouldve called ur pre raise n BB wouldve folded 46 n now your done..
BB is getting the best deal here, hes not putting anything in and can go buck if he hits super hard or just fold..
Example vs limped fishy: Same pre situation
Flop : K52
You have the nuts..
Assume fishy actually has a K.
Pot is nothing, even if you pot all streets:
1. Still not much by river
2. Fishy might fold on river now since ur betting pot
3. By river, if board runs outshtty, fishy is more likely to fold because he doesnt have as much money to win in middle.. If fishy has invested a decent amount by river, he will probably still call a mini bet with his K
But hey, its just advice man, you can do whatever THE **** you wana dooo
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TheBowlBoy
Rock Star
Silver Level
Open limping pp's in early position is pretty bad these days. Surely you can get away with it to some degree but raising first in is clearly better.
NineLions
Advanced beginner
Silver Level
Hey, I didn't know you were a member here. You and I have sat at a table together on Stars a number of times back when I used to play more.
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TheBowlBoy
Rock Star
Silver Level
Cool. I just started posting here after 2p2 went down.
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dazzammm
Enthusiast
Silver Level
ive retired from poker. ive had enough. today, poker stars decided i was going to lose no matter what. Ive had flopped straights and sets and lost to runner runner hands, had dominating hands pre and lost to flopped 2 pair and sets, cant win a coin flip, last hand i called an all in with jacks vs A7 and lost to a straight.
Today I played KK-99, AK, AQ, KQ and AJ 20 times and won 4 times. I lost every time i had AK and was ahead preflop every time.
I won 8% of all the hands i played.
looked at my expect all-in ev - my actual loss is 200% lower than expected.
I HAVE HAD IT WITH online poker.
Today I played KK-99, AK, AQ, KQ and AJ 20 times and won 4 times. I lost every time i had AK and was ahead preflop every time.
I won 8% of all the hands i played.
looked at my expect all-in ev - my actual loss is 200% lower than expected.
I HAVE HAD IT WITH online poker.
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KHANGURA175
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I like to think of downswings as a test.
Poker is testing your mentality (it tests every player btw not just u)
Will you rage/whine/cry and lose more or quit?
Or will you keep your head up and know that your going to make it ahead in the long run NO MATTER WHAT...
You failed the test btw.
I just went through the INEVITABLE downswing myself, didn't really fade me at all, brushed it off like its nothing.. N ive only lost like 3 buyins in 5000 hands because of that
I like to say "nice hand" out loud not in chat when he hits his flush draw when all in on flop or if he hits the 2outer when im all in wit AA pre etc
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TheGenera1
Visionary
Silver Level
Maybe the reason you are not tilted is because you have only lost 3 buyins lol. See what happens when you are down to 8 or even 10. If you are still able to remain calm then I will have to hand it to you. I had to take a break after a massive shitty run. took me 2 weeks to get over it.
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KHANGURA175
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Well what I meant to say was that when on a downswing/tilt you should keep your composure n this will make you lose less.
Ex. I couldve been down 4 bi but I was only down 3bi, etc
Also, as much as I've liked to post on these other poker forums, it appears my main forum, twoplustwo, is back.
I will not be posting here anymore.
If anyone wants advice on anything micro zoom 6max, you can message "Khangura175" on 2+2 and I will gladly hel[p you.
Peace.
Ex. I couldve been down 4 bi but I was only down 3bi, etc
Also, as much as I've liked to post on these other poker forums, it appears my main forum, twoplustwo, is back.
I will not be posting here anymore.
If anyone wants advice on anything micro zoom 6max, you can message "Khangura175" on 2+2 and I will gladly hel[p you.
Peace.
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ClubArrow77
Rock Star
Silver Level
Is zoom actually a game people can profit from without running really good? Ive played about 5000 hands and have only managed to eek out a marginal profit of about $1 in zoom although I did run into a ton of set over sets and one KK vs AA which put a pretty decent dent in my profits. I cant seem to every really play a big pot on zoom since nearly everyone folds to the least bit of resistance and never stack off unless they have top set or so. And this is 2nl so I fear what the action is like at higher levels.
Im playing on zoom since it allows me to rack up VPPs to clear my deposit bonus but it seems in terms of ability to make a profit without bonus whoring, reg cash tables is the way to go.
Im playing on zoom since it allows me to rack up VPPs to clear my deposit bonus but it seems in terms of ability to make a profit without bonus whoring, reg cash tables is the way to go.
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ClubArrow77
Rock Star
Silver Level
Hey Genera1. Could you please discuss the general ranges zoom players tend to play and how they are similar or different from reg cash.
I've been playing a decent amount and just cant seem to get a read on the general level of play. Some players are willing to call down with TPWK like A7 on an Ace high flop, smooth call an MP raise with junk like 62s, or check-raise with a pp that loses to possible high cards on the flop. On the other hand, I also run into players who seem to always have sets when calling a cbet and never reraise or lead with top set. Players also tend to be tighter in general, folding to nearly all cbets.
I've been playing a decent amount and just cant seem to get a read on the general level of play. Some players are willing to call down with TPWK like A7 on an Ace high flop, smooth call an MP raise with junk like 62s, or check-raise with a pp that loses to possible high cards on the flop. On the other hand, I also run into players who seem to always have sets when calling a cbet and never reraise or lead with top set. Players also tend to be tighter in general, folding to nearly all cbets.
TheGenera1
Visionary
Silver Level
The difference from regular to zoom is quite substantial in my opinion. As you have no reads in zoom you have to play a 1size fits all strategy, and that means missing value against maniacs but also saving money against nits.
Ill try and catch you on skype tomorrow. To make profit, you have to play really nitty. And that means folding KK to an all in shove. I hate to say it, but having AA versus KK is where a large amount of my profit comes from, and saving money by not stacking with KK my self. It is obviously a lot more complicated than that, but in essence the key to beating it is to sit around and wait for absolute monsters and a caller. I made 10 sets in my last session, 3 of them I had to fold 2 of them I lost the minimum to flushes and straights and the other 4 that were good I got no callers. However I got a stack off verses someone and won a buy in. That 1 caller gave me a 2.50 boost to the session.
The fact that lots of players fold to your cbet is a good thing. It allows you to win lots and lots of small pots which keep you afloat until you win a big one.
Ill give you an example of how I would play AK
Preflop open 3x
Hit flop? 2/3pot flop, 1/2pot turn 1/2pot river. If you get raised at any point you need to fold.
Miss flop? Bet flop, check/fold turn and river unless improved.
You could consider a double barrel if a high card falls on the turn eg an K or Q but otherwise give up on the pot.
Another thing that is going to get me disliked is suggesting that you fold bottom set to EXTREME aggression. You really have to ask your self, how has the hand played out? Was the pot raised or limped into. If raised, maybe he has an overpair. How aggressively is he betting?
If the pot is limped and he shoves you on the flop, does he really have a 1 or 2 pair hand? no.. he has a set or better 90% of the time. Just picture the game live, is the guy knocking his drink to get the chips in?
The best way to play bottom set is to get value when he either checks turn or river. If he checks either of them, he is weak and wanted to see a cheap showdown so bet. If he bets bets bets then what does he have? Just gotta put your self in your opponents shoes, what would YOU be betting with so strongly?
Ill try and catch you on skype tomorrow. To make profit, you have to play really nitty. And that means folding KK to an all in shove. I hate to say it, but having AA versus KK is where a large amount of my profit comes from, and saving money by not stacking with KK my self. It is obviously a lot more complicated than that, but in essence the key to beating it is to sit around and wait for absolute monsters and a caller. I made 10 sets in my last session, 3 of them I had to fold 2 of them I lost the minimum to flushes and straights and the other 4 that were good I got no callers. However I got a stack off verses someone and won a buy in. That 1 caller gave me a 2.50 boost to the session.
The fact that lots of players fold to your cbet is a good thing. It allows you to win lots and lots of small pots which keep you afloat until you win a big one.
Ill give you an example of how I would play AK
Preflop open 3x
Hit flop? 2/3pot flop, 1/2pot turn 1/2pot river. If you get raised at any point you need to fold.
Miss flop? Bet flop, check/fold turn and river unless improved.
You could consider a double barrel if a high card falls on the turn eg an K or Q but otherwise give up on the pot.
Another thing that is going to get me disliked is suggesting that you fold bottom set to EXTREME aggression. You really have to ask your self, how has the hand played out? Was the pot raised or limped into. If raised, maybe he has an overpair. How aggressively is he betting?
If the pot is limped and he shoves you on the flop, does he really have a 1 or 2 pair hand? no.. he has a set or better 90% of the time. Just picture the game live, is the guy knocking his drink to get the chips in?
The best way to play bottom set is to get value when he either checks turn or river. If he checks either of them, he is weak and wanted to see a cheap showdown so bet. If he bets bets bets then what does he have? Just gotta put your self in your opponents shoes, what would YOU be betting with so strongly?
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ClubArrow77
Rock Star
Silver Level
I never seem to be able to get any action unless villain has the absolute nuts. Every flush draw with TP I go all in against, villain calls with a set. The only big pot I won was a bad beat where I stacked off TPTK against AA and hit trips. I can build up to $3 profit but all it takes is a good set to destroy my profits. How do you guys get any action with good hands?