***April Cash Game Thread***

[cAPSLOCK]

too small to hold all my manies

Mine too. But I count mine in pennies.

 

[F Paulsson]

So villain has A9o and opens SB you 3-bet and he ???

... and they call. I mean, I shouldn't say "they." But opponents call decently often with stuff like that. I don't, though. Despite the fact that A9o has >50% equity versus my range, the reverse implied odds makes it a loser.

I mean bottom line is any other hand's equity against your hand is very good so even if you're a slight favorite getting him to fold is good plus your hand just plays terribly. Like best you can hope for apart from flopping 2pair+ you flop top pair and bluffcatch? Not really any good semibluffing boards for you. I'd much rather flat hands like 56s and 3-bet A5o in this spot, although you're probably flatting 56s too here.

65s is probably right around where I start 3-betting. 76s is borderline and 87s I flat every time. It's possible that I could fine-tune my 3-betting range even more, but right now I'm using "polarized" as my principle. I try not to 3-bet any hand that is either not crushing my opponent's range or that that I'm pretty certain is definitely behind.

 

[cjatud2012]

protection from muggers (sorry for derail of thoughtful 3-bet discussion):

YouTube- Self Defense

 

[blankoblanco]

i love derrick comedy

 

[bubonicplay]

... and they call. I mean, I shouldn't say "they." But opponents call decently often with stuff like that. I don't, though. Despite the fact that A9o has >50% equity versus my range, the reverse implied odds makes it a loser.

lol well calling with A9o to a 3-bet oop is pretty terrible. But I guess that could be a case for not 3-betting A5o and more 3-betting hands like 56s just because our flop FE will be huge and we can put a lot of pressure on marginal hands.

65s is probably right around where I start 3-betting. 76s is borderline and 87s I flat every time. It's possible that I could fine-tune my 3-betting range even more, but right now I'm using "polarized" as my principle. I try not to 3-bet any hand that is either not crushing my opponent's range or that that I'm pretty certain is definitely behind.

Yeah I'm same way. If people are flatting more 3-bets and playing well a case could be made for 3-betting stuff like AJo/KQo stuff but I think most people who flat just play so fit or fold postflop even if they call wide that it's profitable to just have polarized range and in those cases we could just have uno card+napkin and be profitable 3-betting and cbetting most flops. Extra equity we can flop/turn or the big hands we can hit are just a bonus.

 

[absoluthamm]

First time in two months that my AA held up against KK AIPF.

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP: $6.33 (126.6 bb)
CO: $5.67 (113.4 bb)
BTN: $3.88 (77.6 bb)
AbsoluteHamm (SB): $5 (100 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $5 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: AbsoluteHamm is SB with A

A

UTG raises to $0.10, 3 folds, AbsoluteHamm raises to $0.30, BB folds, UTG raises to $0.95, AbsoluteHamm raises to $2.20, UTG raises to $5 and is all-in, AbsoluteHamm calls $2.80 and is all-in

Flop: ($10.05) Q

T

7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($10.05) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($10.05) A

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $10.05 pot ($0.67 rake)
UTG showed K

K

(a pair of Kings) and lost (-$5 net)
AbsoluteHamm showed A

A

(three of a kind, Aces) and won $9.38 ($4.38 net)

 

[brank]

the last 4/5 times i've had Ks it was vs As in the last 800 hands. AIPF of course. sheeet. so im gonna win the next one right? jaja

 

[polakpoker4]

Gotta love Full Tilt fish...

full tilt poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 625164
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $43.10
BB: $146.90
UTG: $74.00
Hero (MP): $130.50
CO: $202.55
BTN: $109.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with 3 ♦ 4 ♦
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 8 ♠ 7 ♦ 3 ♠ (2 players)
BB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($22.50) 3 ♣ (2 players)
BB bets $22.50, Hero raises to $119.50 all in, BB calls $97

River: ($261.50) T ♦ (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $261.50
BB shows A ♣ 9 ♥ (a pair of Threes)
Hero shows 3 ♦ 4 ♦ (three of a kind, Threes)
Hero wins $258.50
(Rake: $3.00)

 

[cjatud2012]

Maybe he thought he was playing cribbage and his three-card straight was good.

 

[coolnout]

gz been so long since i had a decent day at the tables. (took most of march off and was running breakeven in april) finally remember what a winning session feels like.

 

[brank]

april started as rough as march. read above.

did achieve my goal of playin 10K hands for march(pfffft 10K?) so i hope to keep that pace if work allows. been playin crack poker lately.

had a good session today so hopefully its gonna be a smooth month.

 

[c9h13no3]

Tonight was okay I suppose... most fish $10/$20 game I've ever been in, plus some extra from a 3/6 HORSE game.

 

[SPCotter]

Did my first ever 2k (Non rush) session today, a few poor decisions, but don't feel hindered playing 6 tables of 6 max now, and ended up a buy in and a half to boot

Now for an evening session! Maybe not 2k, hopefully get a thousand hands in

 

[SPCotter]

Can't edit the previous post, today has been a good day! Another nice graph below, although it's not quite as tasty as the one I posted at the end of February (I don't think that will ever happen lol). Also I dropped €13 in 500 odd hands of NL20, which I've conveniently filtered out. The most hands I've played in a day by far, and I'm happy with things on the whole, here's to hoping I run this good at UK Student Poker Champs later this week! Over my last 7000 hands of NL10 (since HEM introduced € support basically) I've averaged 32bb/100 Totally sustainable of course!!!

Oh, and I love putting players on tilt, om nom nom!

 

[absoluthamm]

Nice run SPC

 

[coolnout]

these hands happened back to back on separate tables. So much for letting me enjoy sucking out.

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP2: $1.88 (94 bb)
MP3: $2 (100 bb)
CO: $1.30 (65 bb)
BTN: $2.58 (129 bb)
SB: $2.32 (116 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $2 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $3.65 (182.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): $2.03 (101.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with K

K

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 4 folds, SB raises to $0.14, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.03 and is all-in, SB calls $1.03

Flop: ($4.08) K

5

K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($4.08) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($4.08) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:Spoiler:
$4.08 pot ($0.27 rake)
Hero showed K

K

(four of a kind, Kings) and won $3.81 ($1.78 net)
SB showed A

A

(two pairs, Aces and Kings) and lost (-$2.03 net)




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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
BTN: $1.80 (90 bb)
SB: $2.16 (108 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.83 (141.5 bb)
MP1: $2.33 (116.5 bb)
MP2: $1.38 (69 bb)
MP3: $1.97 (98.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with Q♣ J♦
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.08, 3 folds, SB calls $0.07, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.24) K♦ T♦ 9♠ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.22, MP2 raises to $0.44, SB calls $0.44, Hero raises to $2.75 and is all-in, MP2 calls $0.86 and is all-in, SB calls $1.64 and is all-in

Turn: ($5.70) K♣ (3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: ($5.70) 9♦ (3 players, 3 are all-in)

Results:[spoil] $5.70 pot ($0.38 rake)
Hero showed Q♣ J♦ (a straight, Nine to King) and lost (-$2.16 net)
MP2 showed Q♥ A♥ (two pairs, Kings and Nines) and lost (-$1.38 net)
SB showed 5♦ Q♦ (a flush, King high) and won $5.32 ($3.16 net)

then i lose a flip... FUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[Wes747]

coolnout...IMO....thats what you get for playing QJ from BB. You shouldn't be flatting from BB with a hand like that...its so easily dominated. I don't even like playing QJos from the button unless its unopened to me. You're going to hit your pair and be outkicked way too often to make this a profitable hand.

If you insist on playing it I much prefer a 3bet.

EDIT: Just noticed what position the raise was from. This is almost always a fold unless you have some stats that show MP2 leads out from EP too often or has a high fold to 3bet.

 

[Jurn8]

coolnout...IMO....thats what you get for playing QJ from BB. You shouldn't be flatting from BB with a hand like that...its so easily dominated. I don't even like playing QJos from the button unless its unopened to me. You're going to hit your pair and be outkicked way too often to make this a profitable hand.

If you insist on playing it I much prefer a 3bet.

EDIT: Just noticed what position the raise was from. This is almost always a fold unless you have some stats that show MP2 leads out from EP too often or has a high fold to 3bet.

3betting dominated hands is even worse IMO

 

[blankoblanco]

3betting dominated hands is even worse IMO

i sorta disagree. in that, there are occasional situations where i might squeeze QJ from the BB vs a MP raise, but i'm almost never calling a 4x open with it (maybe only if one or both of the players in the pot are pretty big fish or something). if you can 3bet and take it down preflop enough of the time, and/or on the flop with a bet enough of the time, being dominated isn't that big of a deal. and fwiw if you are dominated by AQ/AJ etc., it means your opponent has one less out to hit a pair, so it's not all bad. i enjoy 3betting A-rag suited in position, and i don't mind very much that i'm dominated frequently when i do get called

 

[coolnout]

coolnout...IMO....thats what you get for playing QJ from BB. You shouldn't be flatting from BB with a hand like that...its so easily dominated. I don't even like playing QJos from the button unless its unopened to me. You're going to hit your pair and be outkicked way too often to make this a profitable hand.

If you insist on playing it I much prefer a 3bet.

EDIT: Just noticed what position the raise was from. This is almost always a fold unless you have some stats that show MP2 leads out from EP too often or has a high fold to 3bet.

Normally, it's a hand I have no problem throwing away given the reasons you laid out. However, the original raiser was 54/46, and the small blind was 50/1.

 

[Jurn8]

i sorta disagree. in that, there are occasional situations where i might squeeze QJ from the BB vs a MP raise, but i'm almost never calling a 4x open with it (maybe only if one or both of the players in the pot are pretty big fish or something). if you can 3bet and take it down preflop enough of the time, and/or on the flop with a bet enough of the time, being dominated isn't that big of a deal. and fwiw if you are dominated by AQ/AJ etc., it means your opponent has one less out to hit a pair, so it's not all bad. i enjoy 3betting A-rag suited in position, and i don't mind very much that i'm dominated frequently when i do get called

I 3bet A rag alot, but i think 3betting QJ/KJ/KQ just makes for tough spots postflop if we do flop a pair, we will either win a small pot if our cbet takes it down or 3bet pre or lose a medium or big sized pot when we barrell our pair, i prefer to squeeze/3bet shit like 46s or K3s etc

 

[Marginal]

PLO people, how often are you 3 betting from the bb after a sb open?

 

[bubonicplay]

And yeah I hate 3-betting QJ-type hands oop just because basically if we flop anything it'll hit villain's range too. Like even the draws we can hit are boards where they're probably not folding too much on. Axs stuff can be good essentially for the wheel/flush/2-pair outs we can hit plus depending on their ranges the blocker can be good too. Also it's wayyyyy better to 3-bet these hands IP because you can pot control the marginal made hands instead of worrying about the fact that his entire value range beats you but you also turn your hand face up so they can own you with bluffs and just in general get into such shitty spots whereas IP bluff-catchers are just a hell of a lot easier to play.

 

[Marginal]

Jesus has anyone here ventured into the tourney section on this site? I'm tilting soooooooo hard omg like I'm the only one arguing that getting all-in early on in a tourney 4-ways with like 40% equity is a good thing are people really that brain dead? I mean omg you might get knocked out of the tourney hiaosdghioasdhoishoiashiohihiaohaoisdhsagdhsxbzchy8947tw2897849325y89hszdgnklbnasjgdhjkszdgsgdz

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-hand-analysis-51/2-nl-he-rebuy-quadruple-all-173845/

Just safe yourself and not go into that forum.

 

[polakpoker4]

I just read that MTT thread... thats hilarious lol