***April Cash Game Thread***

[absoluthamm]

Watch the movie 21 and you'll get it, lol.

 

[polakpoker4]

I watched 21 and still had a hard time figuring it out lol I had to get a diagram drawn out before it actually made sense to me

 

[dj11]

OK, I'm in, but not with HE. If anything I may venture into LHE, but at this point I'm doing ok at Stud8. Unfortunately (or is it really?) I have no Stud tracker (girl joke opportunity ..insert here).

Remind me repeatedly to stay away from RUSH.........TYVM

 

[NineLions]

Because unless you picked right at the start (1 in 3 times) the other door is always the car after the host eliminates a goat door.

Hmm, or,

You have a basket that includes one door that had a 1 in 3 chance,

or a basket that includes 2 doors, that had a 2 in 3 chance,

so if you choose the basket that has two doors, you have the original 2 in 3 chance?

 

[GeoffLacey]

HU is the most awful/wonderful thing ever

 

[blankoblanco]

Hmm, or,

You have a basket that includes one door that had a 1 in 3 chance,

or a basket that includes 2 doors, that had a 2 in 3 chance,

so if you choose the basket that has two doors, you have the original 2 in 3 chance?

yeah, pretty much

i think the logic of it makes more sense to some people if you can expand it to something ridiculous like 1 million doors. that's what made it make the most sense to me

say there's a million doors, 1 has a car behind it, the rest have goats. we think goats are cool but we're trying to win the car. so you pick door #1. before opening it, the host, knowing which door has the car behind it, opens ALL the other doors except door #56,700, and reveals they all have goats. then he asks you if you'd like to switch your pick. you damn well better switch it! either your initial 1 in a million pick was right, or it's the only door he specifically chose not to open (because he can't reveal the car to you). thus it should be apparent that it's almost a lock (99.999...%) to be behind door #56,700. it's the very same concept with only 3 doors, 4 doors, 5 doors, and so on, just to a much lesser degree

 

[cAPSLOCK]

The part of this that mirrors to poker logic is the fact that you are playing an incomplete information game and your opponent, Monty in this, example gives you information after the flop (which is your first choice.)

You pick a goat 2/3rds of the time.
Monty picks a goat every time. Every time.

So after your initial pick Monty gives you more information.

2/3 of the time he is picking the only other goat, thereby revealing the door your car is behind.

An interesting side note is the chances of a single opponent not having a pair after the flop in hold'em are around 2/3.

 

[NineLions]

yeah, pretty much

i think the logic of it makes more sense to some people if you can expand it to something ridiculous like 1 million doors. that's what made it make the most sense to me

say there's a million doors, 1 has a car behind it, the rest have goats. we think goats are cool but we're trying to win the car. so you pick door #1. before opening it, the host, knowing which door has the car behind it, opens ALL the other doors except door #56,700, and reveals they all have goats. then he asks you if you'd like to switch your pick. you damn well better switch it! either your initial 1 in a million pick was right, or it's the only door he specifically chose not to open (because he can't reveal the car to you). thus it should be apparent that it's almost a lock (99.999...%) to be behind door #56,700. it's the very same concept with only 3 doors, 4 doors, 5 doors, and so on, just to a much lesser degree

Yup, that helps some with the conceptualizing too.

 

[coolnout]

Wow I thought take 2 was 5 bonus points per day this time around the way the wording was. It's still only 1 FTP a day at 2 ring tables. Oh well less work, free 25$. (unless i'm wrong.. got a checkmark but still says 0 days earned...) can anyone clarify?

 

[absoluthamm]

For anyone who hasn't seen it:

Take 2 at full tilt poker to earn up to $25 AND double the Full Tilt Points that you’d normally receive for playing in your favorite ring games.
Running from Saturday, April 3rd to Sunday, April 11th, play at least two standard ring-game tables at the same time or any Rush Poker* table during Take 2 to receive double the Full Tilt Points.
The more you play during Take 2, the more you’ll earn. Earn at least five bonus points on any five days during Take 2 to get $5 in cash. Do so on all nine days to get an additional $20, for a total of $25. Learn more about Take 2.
You have elected to participate in Take 2. Stay up to date on your Take 2 status in the Take 2 Summary box on the right, and keep track of how many points you’ve earned in the calendar below.

 

[absoluthamm]

By the way, forgot to add my thoughts on this. From what it looks like we need to get 5 points a day to get the $$$, otherwise it wouldn't say the "Earn at least five bonus points on any five days during Take 2 to get $5 in cash" line. I have the checkmark for today already as well, but I am thinking that might be a glitch from how the old Take2 was.

 

[absoluthamm]

Last two hands of my session tonight. Got screwed again by waiting for the button to come back around to me before I closed out... 2nd hand the guy was a 19/4 and called with that shit... Before these two hands I was up over a buyin tonight, now only 1/10th of a buyin. Coming back tomorrow.

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP2: $4.93 (98.6 bb)
MP3: $5.95 (119 bb)
CO: $6.34 (126.8 bb)
BTN: $1.19 (23.8 bb)
SB: $3.18 (63.6 bb)
BB: $5.57 (111.4 bb)
UTG+1: $5 (100 bb)
AbsoluteHamm (UTG+2): $9.79 (195.8 bb)
MP1: $6.27 (125.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: AbsoluteHamm is UTG+2 with A

A

UTG+1 calls $0.05, AbsoluteHamm raises to $0.20, 4 folds, BTN raises to $1.19 and is all-in, 3 folds, AbsoluteHamm calls $0.99

Flop: ($2.50) J

J

K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($2.50) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($2.50) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $2.50 pot ($0.16 rake)
BTN showed J

K

(a full house, Jacks full of Kings) and won $2.34 ($1.15 net)
AbsoluteHamm showed A

A

(two pairs, Aces and Jacks) and lost (-$1.19 net)



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HAND #2
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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP2: $4.48 (89.6 bb)
MP3: $9.43 (188.6 bb)
CO: $8.41 (168.2 bb)
BTN: $2 (40 bb)
SB: $3.48 (69.6 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
AbsoluteHamm (UTG+1): $5.30 (106 bb)
UTG+2: $5 (100 bb)
MP1: $6.25 (125 bb)

Pre-Flop: AbsoluteHamm is UTG+1 with Q

Q

AbsoluteHamm raises to $0.15, 6 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

Flop: ($0.35) T

3

4

(2 players)
SB checks, AbsoluteHamm bets $0.15, SB raises to $0.50, AbsoluteHamm calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.35) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $0.90, AbsoluteHamm raises to $3.55, SB calls $1.93 and is all-in

River: ($7.01) 5

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $7.01 pot ($0.46 rake)
AbsoluteHamm showed Q

Q

(a pair of Queens) and lost (-$3.48 net)
SB showed 4

3

(a flush, Ten high) and won $6.55 ($3.07 net)

 

[F Paulsson]

pretty interesting discussion going on on 2p2 (but in a retarded way)
the situation is sb opens 50%
hero has A5o in the bb.

3bet or flat ?

(i think both have merits but i cant decide which i like better, nor put my reasoning why into a coherent sentence)

I flat 100%. 3-betting is OK if your 3-betting in that spot is very tight and you can get away with it as a bluff (you kinda need him to fold most bigger aces for it to make sense), but I can't.

 

[F Paulsson]

btw i saw FP said something about the only adjustment sb can make is 4bet/fold more, does this imply you 5bet bluff shove a lot from BB ?

The only adjustment he can make besides tightening up his stealing frequency (which is a much smarter adjustment), right. I don't typically shove-bluff often, because so far I haven't had to. If I would run into someone who starts to 4-bet me a ton, I'd start adding A2s-A5s to my 3-betting range with the purpose of shoving with them. I'm also adding 99+ and AQ to my value range in that case (AQ isn't really for value, but you know what I mean). I'm shoving something like 6% in that case, I think.

 

[eNTy]

gotcha

 

[Jurn8]

am i being thick or something? I cant seem to find like where it says my vpip/pfr and rest of my stats in PT3, where do I find these?

 

[bubonicplay]

FWIW, my 3-bet% in BB vs an SB open is 35%. And that's against all opponents, some of which are shorties or fish or just don't open wide in SB. Versus a wide-opening reg, I just don't fold. I flat if I think my hand is strong enough, and I 3-bet if it isn't. The beauty of it is that your stats in BB are "masked" by which I mean that there's no trivial stat available in a HEM popup that shows what you do in BB vs specifically an SB open (at least not that I use, and I don't think most people do) so they're going to suspect your range is wide, but not THAT wide. Similar argument goes for when you 3bet from the BB versus some other position: They're going to see that your BB 3-betting percentage is high, and be wrong about your range. When they're wrong, you gain.

Nifty, yes?

shhhhhhhhh plz don't tell everyone. fwiw that's why when you see higher limits=better players and see them get extremely wide ranges in pre in bvb or COvbutton and think it's crazy and they'll never understand it when really it's just with the dead money in the pot and the fact that people know ranges are wide and try to exploit it and only 100bb behind it's not hard to get to the point where it's profitable to be shipping hands like 88. Also someone mentioned same thing about CO and button but difference is blinds behind btw cold 4-betting super small in that position against a CO you know opens wide and button that you know 3-bets wide IP is the nuts. You'll even see button do stuff like 3-bet JJ with the intention to getting it in against CO then fold to your 4-bet.

Ah, no. I 3-bet for value too, obviously. Typically just TT+,AK at first, and ATs/AJo/99+/KQs once it's clear that he's started calling me light.

I've yet to come across any reg, mindless or not, who's adjusting well to this. How would YOU adjust to it, even now that you have perfect information about my ranges?

Yeah the bottom part's the key. Like the real way to combat it is to start calling a lot more and playing well postflop. How many people are good at playing oop in 3-bet pots against a competent player? This is another thing you'll notice though as you go higher you see more and more good players flatting 3-bets oop. When they 3-bet a polarized range of monsters and air like even FP said he flats the stuff in between he can profitably call with 4-betting as a bluff generally just folds out the 3-bet bluffs and lets him ship his 3-bet value range. Honestly people 4-bet bluff wayyyyyy too much when really if they're good they should actually be flatting 3-bets a lot more even oop.

I think I am rated C in those categories, I am just too aggressive.

I think durrrr is a D overall.

pretty interesting discussion going on on 2p2 (but in a retarded way)
the situation is sb opens 50%
hero has A5o in the bb.

3bet or flat ?

(i think both have merits but i cant decide which i like better, nor put my reasoning why into a coherent sentence)

I'm personally always 3-betting here. I just don't think it's strong enough to flat with and honestly I feel better about hitting TP in a 3-bet pot here than a single-raised pot because of his range for flatting a 3-bet vs. his range for opening.

I flat 100%. 3-betting is OK if your 3-betting in that spot is very tight and you can get away with it as a bluff (you kinda need him to fold most bigger aces for it to make sense), but I can't.

So villain has A9o and opens SB you 3-bet and he ???

I mean bottom line is any other hand's equity against your hand is very good so even if you're a slight favorite getting him to fold is good plus your hand just plays terribly. Like best you can hope for apart from flopping 2pair+ you flop top pair and bluffcatch? Not really any good semibluffing boards for you. I'd much rather flat hands like 56s and 3-bet A5o in this spot, although you're probably flatting 56s too here.

 

[bubonicplay]

btw any of y'all gonna be in Vegas for wsop? I've gone the last few years in a row always go with a group of friends I know from around here but would definitely be up for meeting some of you fine folks. I haven't posted here too much but you guys don't seem like the type to mug me

 

[Marginal]

Nobody on the internet seems like they are going to mug you until you meet them and they actually mug you.

 

[blankoblanco]

nah one time i met someone on the internet who seemed like they would mug me

 

[coolnout]

By the way, forgot to add my thoughts on this. From what it looks like we need to get 5 points a day to get the $$$, otherwise it wouldn't say the "Earn at least five bonus points on any five days during Take 2 to get $5 in cash" line. I have the checkmark for today already as well, but I am thinking that might be a glitch from how the old Take2 was.

ya it is 5. they fixed it and removed the checkmarks from just getting 1 ftp point. I just did like 2 pts last night went back and finished today, so glad they got around to fixing it before it was too late.

 

[eNTy]

nah one time i met someone on the internet who seemed like they would mug me

i would give u a mug if i saw u irl

 

[blankoblanco]

i would mug you with this mug

 

[eNTy]

too small to hold all my manies

 

[Debi]

btw any of y'all gonna be in Vegas for wsop? I've gone the last few years in a row always go with a group of friends I know from around here but would definitely be up for meeting some of you fine folks. I haven't posted here too much but you guys don't seem like the type to mug me

Don't know about any of these guys but there are going to be quite a few from Cardschat (myself included) in late June/early July. We will probably have 1 or 2 private sng's at the Venetian.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/com...t-las-vegas-wsop-ofc-trip-173810/#post1448436