absoluthamm
<==Poker Face
Silver Level
What do you guys think of this laydown? This many people calling preflop, surely there would have to be a King out there.... After seeing the showdown, I remembered that I was at 5NL...
I know, I was getting good odds to call, but with 3 people to act behind me and with that board...
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
UTG+2: $2.73 (54.6 bb)
MP1: $4.37 (87.4 bb)
MP2: $2.80 (56 bb)
MP3: $4.92 (98.4 bb)
AbsoluteHamm (CO): $5.53 (110.6 bb)
BTN: $4.68 (93.6 bb)
SB: $4.60 (92 bb)
BB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
Pre-Flop: AbsoluteHamm is CO with A
A
UTG+2 raises to $0.15, MP1 calls $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, MP3 folds, AbsoluteHamm raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.45, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.30
Flop: ($2.02) K
Q
K
(4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $0.75, AbsoluteHamm folds, BTN folds, UTG+2 raises to $2.28 and is all-in, MP2 calls $1.53
Turn: ($6.58) 3
(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($6.58) J
(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $6.58 pot ($0.43 rake)
UTG+2 showed A
Q
(two pairs, Kings and Queens) and won $6.15 ($3.42 net)
MP2 showed 9
Q
(two pairs, Kings and Queens) and lost (-$2.73 net)
I know, I was getting good odds to call, but with 3 people to act behind me and with that board...
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
UTG+2: $2.73 (54.6 bb)
MP1: $4.37 (87.4 bb)
MP2: $2.80 (56 bb)
MP3: $4.92 (98.4 bb)
AbsoluteHamm (CO): $5.53 (110.6 bb)
BTN: $4.68 (93.6 bb)
SB: $4.60 (92 bb)
BB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
Pre-Flop: AbsoluteHamm is CO with A
UTG+2 raises to $0.15, MP1 calls $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, MP3 folds, AbsoluteHamm raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.45, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.30
Flop: ($2.02) K
UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $0.75, AbsoluteHamm folds, BTN folds, UTG+2 raises to $2.28 and is all-in, MP2 calls $1.53
Turn: ($6.58) 3
River: ($6.58) J
Results: $6.58 pot ($0.43 rake)
UTG+2 showed A
MP2 showed 9
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cAPSLOCK
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Tis' true. And some of us just quit trying altogether.
blankoblanco
plays poker on hard mode
Silver Level
What do you guys think of this laydown? This many people calling preflop, surely there would have to be a King out there.... After seeing the showdown, I remembered that I was at 5NL...
I know, I was getting good odds to call, but with 3 people to act behind me and with that board...
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
UTG+2: $2.73 (54.6 bb)
MP1: $4.37 (87.4 bb)
MP2: $2.80 (56 bb)
MP3: $4.92 (98.4 bb)
AbsoluteHamm (CO): $5.53 (110.6 bb)
BTN: $4.68 (93.6 bb)
SB: $4.60 (92 bb)
BB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
Pre-Flop: AbsoluteHamm is CO with AA
UTG+2 raises to $0.15, MP1 calls $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, MP3 folds, AbsoluteHamm raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.45, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.30
Flop: ($2.02) KQK(4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $0.75, AbsoluteHamm folds, BTN folds, UTG+2 raises to $2.28 and is all-in, MP2 calls $1.53
Turn: ($6.58) 3(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($6.58) J(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $6.58 pot ($0.43 rake)
UTG+2 showed AQ(two pairs, Kings and Queens) and won $6.15 ($3.42 net)
MP2 showed 9Q(two pairs, Kings and Queens) and lost (-$2.73 net)
first of all you should leave out results so it doesn't affect the responses you get
second of all your preflop 3bet is really really ridiculously small, you're not even allowing a small pair to make a mistake by calling. i would be making it .75 at the very smallest, but probably larger still. frankly i love playing against guys who make transparently tiny 3bets with AA. it's the wrong way to go for just about every reason
finally i don't see how on earth you fold to a ~1/3 pot donkbet with AA just because there's 3 other players in the pot. there's only 6 cards between them and 2 Ks left in the deck. someone could have a K sure, but that's a pretty bad fold imo. also a K is probably checking to the 3bettor the majority of the time rather than leading out. if you get that scared with AA facing 3 players then... uh, that's even more reason to not make such a tiny 3bet preflop!!!! you practically begged them all to call by giving them amazing odds, you asked for this situation
tenbob
Legend
Silver Level
Slowplayaments.
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HAND 1
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$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details
BTN: $50.50 (101 bb)
Hero (SB): $63.96 (127.9 bb)
BB: $115.34 (230.7 bb)
CO: $62.62 (125.2 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 2
2
CO folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds
Flop: ($4) 2
2
K
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($4) J
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero raises to $4.25, BTN calls $3.75
River: ($12.50) 8
(2 players)
Hero bets $12.50, BTN raises to $25, Hero raises to $57.96 and is all-in, BTN calls $19.50 and is all-in
Results:Spoiler:
$101.50 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 2
2
K
J
8
BTN showed K
K
(a full house, Kings full of Twos) and lost (-$50.50 net)
Hero showed 2
2
(four of a kind, Twos) and won $98.50 ($48 net)
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HAND 1
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$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details
BTN: $50.50 (101 bb)
Hero (SB): $63.96 (127.9 bb)
BB: $115.34 (230.7 bb)
CO: $62.62 (125.2 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 2
CO folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds
Flop: ($4) 2
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($4) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero raises to $4.25, BTN calls $3.75
River: ($12.50) 8
Hero bets $12.50, BTN raises to $25, Hero raises to $57.96 and is all-in, BTN calls $19.50 and is all-in
Results:Spoiler:
$101.50 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 2
BTN showed K
Hero showed 2
Douggyfr3sh
Rock Star
Silver Level
Slowplayaments.
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HAND 1
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$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details
BTN: $50.50 (101 bb)
Hero (SB): $63.96 (127.9 bb)
BB: $115.34 (230.7 bb)
CO: $62.62 (125.2 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 22
CO folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds
Flop: ($4) 22K(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($4) J(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero raises to $4.25, BTN calls $3.75
River: ($12.50) 8(2 players)
Hero bets $12.50, BTN raises to $25, Hero raises to $57.96 and is all-in, BTN calls $19.50 and is all-in
Results:Spoiler:
$101.50 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 22KJ8
BTN showed KK(a full house, Kings full of Twos) and lost (-$50.50 net)
Hero showed 22(four of a kind, Twos) and won $98.50 ($48 net)
Nice Pot!!
blankoblanco
plays poker on hard mode
Silver Level
Slowplayaments.
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HAND 1
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$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details
BTN: $50.50 (101 bb)
Hero (SB): $63.96 (127.9 bb)
BB: $115.34 (230.7 bb)
CO: $62.62 (125.2 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 22
CO folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds
Flop: ($4) 22K(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($4) J(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero raises to $4.25, BTN calls $3.75
River: ($12.50) 8(2 players)
Hero bets $12.50, BTN raises to $25, Hero raises to $57.96 and is all-in, BTN calls $19.50 and is all-in
Results:Spoiler:
$101.50 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 22KJ8
BTN showed KK(a full house, Kings full of Twos) and lost (-$50.50 net)
Hero showed 22(four of a kind, Twos) and won $98.50 ($48 net)
this should probably be a fold pre unless you think you can profitably make plays to take the pot away a decent amount of the times that you miss. it's possible that's the case, all you can really do is be honest with yourself about it though. set-mining OOP vs. a wide range pretty much can't show a profit on its own
blankoblanco
plays poker on hard mode
Silver Level
doesn't him being a spewtard mean it's going to be that much harder to win the pot when you miss though? unless you're prepared to make some sick reads or something. if you rarely win the pot unless you hit your set, and he has a wide range which frequently won't stack off even when you do hit it (even accounting for the fact that he might overvalue some weak top pair/middle pair hands if he's spewy), you probably can't play it profitably OOP, that's basically what i'm saying.
not putting this out there as gospel or anything but that's always been my take on it. would be interested to hear what FP/belgo/etc think about this. (i know you didn't post the hand for analysis to begin with, but i can't help myself)
not putting this out there as gospel or anything but that's always been my take on it. would be interested to hear what FP/belgo/etc think about this. (i know you didn't post the hand for analysis to begin with, but i can't help myself)
tenbob
Legend
Silver Level
I don't think that I really told you just how much a spew tard he is. Anyway screenie of the hand and table, 2 new players waiting for the blinds, and I've been waiting for this table for just under an hour, and from what i've seen he is just some guy either on super tilt or a higher stakes player just blowing off steam.
I don't think I ever am gutsy enough to play a big pot with 22 UI post with him, so basically if I don't hit my set I don't win the pot, no point saying that I have anything else up my sleeve against him, especially OOP.
Site is enteraction, and I'm basically bonus whoring a bit, hence the hitten screenname.
I don't think I ever am gutsy enough to play a big pot with 22 UI post with him, so basically if I don't hit my set I don't win the pot, no point saying that I have anything else up my sleeve against him, especially OOP.
Site is enteraction, and I'm basically bonus whoring a bit, hence the hitten screenname.
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ComplexPlaya
Legend
Silver Level
Come on dude, I lost 2K out of my BR mostly because of tilting and poor BR management since feb-march but still managed to withdraw 2,1 K in those months @20NL mostly.
While playing 4 tables and trying to read opponents with more than just stats, maybe you can just try that...maybe you don't make good decisions 6 or 9 tabling etc. and you can try with 4, it's not boring at all you can play more hands
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Here is a old hand i played before i knew anything about brm,(playing with scared money).
oker Stars $2000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 646639
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BB: $570.00
CO: $438.00
BTN: $2379.00
Hero (SB): $1283.00
Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is SB with J :spade: A :spade:
1 fold, BTN raises to $60, Hero calls $50, 1 fold
Flop: ($140.00) 9 :heart: 2 :club: A :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $80.00, Hero calls $80
Turn: ($300.00) J :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $80.00, BTN raises to $380, Hero calls $300
River: ($1060.00) T :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $980.00, Hero calls $763 all in
oker Stars $2000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 646639
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BB: $570.00
CO: $438.00
BTN: $2379.00
Hero (SB): $1283.00
Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is SB with J :spade: A :spade:
1 fold, BTN raises to $60, Hero calls $50, 1 fold
Flop: ($140.00) 9 :heart: 2 :club: A :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $80.00, Hero calls $80
Turn: ($300.00) J :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $80.00, BTN raises to $380, Hero calls $300
River: ($1060.00) T :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $980.00, Hero calls $763 all in
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ComplexPlaya
Legend
Silver Level
Judging from his stack, I'm guessing <1
Let me guess, you won that hand than lost it all 5 min later?
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ComplexPlaya
Legend
Silver Level
Judging from his stack, I'm guessing <1
Let me guess, you won that hand then lost it all 5 min later?
BelgoSuisse
Legend
Silver Level
Because you know now??? This month PTR has you playing stakes from 2nl to 1000nl. There's no way that fits into proper BRM...
Dwilius
CardsChat Regular
Silver Level
yea, he posted a graph of that episode. 25k hands of micro followed by one (drunken?) night of midstakes.
Someone let me know when PT3 has updated for pokerstars new tables so I can play again, please. :s:
Someone let me know when PT3 has updated for pokerstars new tables so I can play again, please. :s:
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
They put out an update that night before Stars update that was suppose to have worked and since I see no one on the PT3 boards complaining about it I assume it works. 3.06.2 I think is the newest release and it should work.