***April Cash Game Thread***

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-EV strategy. Ducy?

lol true that. they never leave..they sit and continue to laugh and think they are hot shit...also im gonna drop back down to 5NL..im too tilted this month.
 

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Is it profitable to keep betting these?

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.99)
BB ($4.93)
Hero ($5.27)
UTG+1 ($5.07)
UTG+2 ($3.72)
MP1 ($6.83)
MP2 ($1.68)
CO ($9.96)
BTN ($5.52)

Dealt to Hero Q:club: A:diamond:

Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.20, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($0.47) J:spade: Q:heart: 5:spade:

Hero bets $0.35, CO calls $0.35

TURN ($1.17) J:spade: Q:heart: 5:spade: T:spade:

Hero bets $0.65, CO calls $0.65

RIVER ($2.47) J:spade: Q:heart: 5:spade: T:spade: 2:spade:

Hero bets $1, CO
 
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So I was sitting at work yesterday building out PDA's for some mobile techs.. We have 100 of them to build and they take about 25 minutes to download all of the tables and such per device.....so I decided to log onto PS and play some pokers.... Yeah BAD IDEA! I lost a few buy-ins! Went home took a nap from 8pm - 1am, then played some poker from 1am - 4am and won a little back.... I'm still about $200 down!!!! But I did learn a valuable lesson... Playing at work is not for me! :)
I do have to say I am not a SSer, but I LOVE the 1/2NL 20-50BB games!
 
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are you bankrolled for 1/2 crummy because you seem abit annoyed about losing like a BI, well 2 if you are buynig in for 50bbs but still....?
 
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depends on villian stubzy, but if anything I would bet bigger if you are going to bluff there like 1.50 - 1.75 I would say basically he is getting a good price to call with any spade when you bet so little
 
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are you bankrolled for 1/2 crummy because you seem abit annoyed about losing like a BI, well 2 if you are buynig in for 50bbs but still....?

For full 100 buy-in, NO, however for the 20-50BB I am a little short for now, but I plan on adding to that by deposit either this week or next..... or if I win it back I'll be ok.

I am usually pretty good at not letting it phase me when I drop a few buy-ins, but I am more annoyed at my play. I made some REALLY bad calls that I knew I shouldn't have made, but did anyway. I had a couple of pre-flop all in calls that I should have folded. For some reason yesterday I couldn't let go of hands that should have been mucked.... I think I was annoyed that I was card dead and instead of staying in the zone and waiting for cards I was trying to be fancy. I also made a couple of really good plays that didn't work out in the end, which didn't help! :)

I'm thinking about dropping to either .50/1 or .25/.50...... Not sure yet. I might just say screw it and go get a wireless mouse/keyboard and hook my laptop up to my TV so I can drop in limits and play more tables.... I am halfway to SilveStar, which isn't much to some people, but I'm VERY excited about it because I've never been SilverStar on PS.
 
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Crummy most BR recamentions dont care if u buy in full or short.
With shorter stacks you will experience more varience and smaller winrates which means u need a bigger BR.
As for playing 1/2 most people I know that play stakes that high suggest having atleast 100bi(thats 100times 100BB not 100 times 20BB even if your playing with 20BB stacks) because of the small expected win rates and high varience.
You obvs just play what u want im just sayin...


edit: This is my 4999 post and possibly the first one not considered spam ;).
 
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Crummy most BR recamentions dont care if u buy in full or short.
With shorter stacks you will experience more varience and smaller winrates which means u need a bigger BR.
As for playing 1/2 most people I know that play stakes that high suggest having atleast 100bi(thats 100times 100BB not 100 times 20BB even if your playing with 20BB stacks) because of the small expected win rates and high varience.
You obvs just play what u want im just sayin...


edit: This is my 4999 post and possibly the first one not considered spam ;).

I understand and respect where your coming from S93..... I agree, no matter what the "buy-in" for 1/2NL I shouldn't be playing unless I am rolled 100% for that game. I might make another deposit and drop in stakes as well, just to be in the green zone. I'd rather be over rolled, then to sell myself short in the end.
 
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also if you are making plays, not sure what they are but its better to do it 100BBs deep as you have more room to make them as your SPR is bigger.

but not sure why you like the ss games but its cool
 
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but not sure why you like the ss games but its cool

Because I'm a donkey! :) No I'm not sure why either... They seem like a softer/eaiser game to beat for some reason.
 
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Did my first ring game sweat session last night.. I was absolutely floored on the amount I can learn when I sit back and actually listen to what someone has to say. I dont know if the person wants to be known for helping out a dummy like me so I wont mention who I did the sweat session with.

I learned my two biggest problems to fix right away if I want to even take a shot at playing ring, is that first I need to control and fix my bet sizing on every street, of every hand.

Secondly I learned that when I'am betting and playing a hand I'am only playing MY hand.. I'am not taking the the extra few seconds to think about the villians hand ranges and what they may or may not have. I broke even for the night but after a hour and a half of learning while playing and thinking about things I've never thought about before, I think I gained a lot more that will help me in the future.
 
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They may be a bit softer Crummy, but you will be dealing with variance much more when you have villains playing short stacks much more aggressively with much wider ranges. They become pot committed much easier and will just push putting you in a lot of positions where you don't have the odds to call with your strong draws that you normally would be able to with in a normal stacked game because you won't (necessarily) get that push from pot commitment.

At the same time, I know a lot of people that play those SS tables that will call a lot more of those all-in situations when they are getting terrible odds for the call just because they have the mindset of "Well it isn't a full stack, so I'm not losing that much with my bad play"...but you keep rebuying for 20BB and make more and more of those mistakes and it's going to add up quickly.

PC...Congrats on the first sweat. Sounds like you're starting to feel a ton better about poker than you were at the beginning of last month. Glad to see you came out of your massive tilt session ;)
 
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he means that u dont want them to leave patty
berating fish into leaving = -EV
 
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They may be a bit softer Crummy, but you will be dealing with variance much more when you have villains playing short stacks much more aggressively with much wider ranges. They become pot committed much easier and will just push putting you in a lot of positions where you don't have the odds to call with your strong draws that you normally would be able to with in a normal stacked game because you won't (necessarily) get that push from pot commitment.

At the same time, I know a lot of people that play those SS tables that will call a lot more of those all-in situations when they are getting terrible odds for the call just because they have the mindset of "Well it isn't a full stack, so I'm not losing that much with my bad play"...but you keep rebuying for 20BB and make more and more of those mistakes and it's going to add up quickly.

PC...Congrats on the first sweat. Sounds like you're starting to feel a ton better about poker than you were at the beginning of last month. Glad to see you came out of your massive tilt session ;)

Yeah I see exactly where your coming from with this...... I think I'm going to drop limits, maybe even all the way down to .10/.25 just for now...... I might make that second deposit and use those funds to play in at least 5 of the SCOOP events....
 
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Did my first ring game sweat session last night.. I was absolutely floored on the amount I can learn when I sit back and actually listen to what someone has to say. I dont know if the person wants to be known for helping out a dummy like me so I wont mention who I did the sweat session with.

I learned my two biggest problems to fix right away if I want to even take a shot at playing ring, is that first I need to control and fix my bet sizing on every street, of every hand.

Secondly I learned that when I'am betting and playing a hand I'am only playing MY hand.. I'am not taking the the extra few seconds to think about the villians hand ranges and what they may or may not have. I broke even for the night but after a hour and a half of learning while playing and thinking about things I've never thought about before, I think I gained a lot more that will help me in the future.

standard leaks or errors w.e. you want to call them with people learning the game dude, you will be able to start progressing dude, GL!

Yeah I see exactly where your coming from with this...... I think I'm going to drop limits, maybe even all the way down to .10/.25 just for now...... I might make that second deposit and use those funds to play in at least 5 of the SCOOP events....

Yeah tbh I didnt have you down as a low stakes winner so was abit like wtf when I saw you were playing 1/2 lol. 5 SCOOP's, sounds cool which ones are you planning on playing?

Also after exams I want to start reviewing my play more, would anybody be interested in like reviewing some hands together maybe like once every few days or something? 6max btw.
 
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Yeah tbh I didnt have you down as a low stakes winner so was abit like wtf when I saw you were playing 1/2 lol. 5 SCOOP's, sounds cool which ones are you planning on playing?

Also after exams I want to start reviewing my play more, would anybody be interested in like reviewing some hands together maybe like once every few days or something? 6max btw.

Live I am a winning player, online I am a loosing player, so I'm about break even for the most part! LAME! I have a nice bankroll, but I keep it out for live play. I've been putting some online little by little, because I want that to be my main place to play! I'll go play live, make a nice chunk of change, put it online and lose it!

As far as the SCOOP I've just reviewed the schedule and they put all of the good events during the week! I have the 6th off because my divorce but the only event I'm interested in is the NL Holdem that is still TBD on the buy-in! The Friday games are decent on the times, but the first week's Saturday/Sunday games seem lame to me. I'm not interested in the Shootout and can't do a Two-Day event that runs into Monday because of work! The Big Ante game might spark my interest, but I'm not too sure about it yet! The second week's Saturday/Sunday games are more interesting.... I would like to play in the Horse tournament, and the 6-Max NL game....

I would deff be interested in hand reviews on both sides! You just let me know!
 
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QUESTION!!

anybody know if its possible to attain supernova on stars playin 25 or 50NL??
 
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QUESTION!!

anybody know if its possible to attain supernova on stars playin 25 or 50NL??

I've sat with a few players that were Supernova at the 50NL tables..... I'm sure its possible, just depends on how many tables you play and how much you play.... The people that were Supernova on these tables were playing at 15+ tables each time I searched them.
 
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I've sat with a few players that were Supernova at the 50NL tables..... I'm sure its possible, just depends on how many tables you play and how much you play.... The people that were Supernova on these tables were playing at 15+ tables each time I searched them.

i figured 25NL would be hard as a motherF..dam 15 tables?? i can run 9. somethin tells me i should get enough money for like 50 BI at 50NL and try grindin it next year to get supernova...just seems like there is a shit load of bonuses that stars offers for those players..am i wrong here?
 
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I don't play ring on Stars very often(like almost never), but I have seen posts both here and on various other forums about micro Supernovas, so I know it's possible. There is one in particular that I can't remember his name, but he's a SS'er and plays just ridiculous amounts of hands and he is a rakeback pro(breakeven player) and with the supernova added to that he is making well over 6 figures. That would be nice, but I would like to also be a winning player as well...
 
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I don't play ring on Stars very often(like almost never), but I have seen posts both here and on various other forums about micro Supernovas, so I know it's possible. There is one in particular that I can't remember his name, but he's a SS'er and plays just ridiculous amounts of hands and he is a rakeback pro(breakeven player) and with the supernova added to that he is making well over 6 figures. That would be nice, but I would like to also be a winning player as well...

Pretty sure he'd have to be SNE to get to 6 figures as a BE player.
 
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I don't play ring on Stars very often(like almost never), but I have seen posts both here and on various other forums about micro Supernovas, so I know it's possible. There is one in particular that I can't remember his name, but he's a SS'er and plays just ridiculous amounts of hands and he is a rakeback pro(breakeven player) and with the supernova added to that he is making well over 6 figures. That would be nice, but I would like to also be a winning player as well...

Pretty sure he'd have to be SNE to get to 6 figures as a BE player.

Yeah, unless he is buying bonuses out the wazoo, even then he would still almost have to be SNE at that level..... If you think about it though, with the smaller rake (depending on pot sizes) I would assume this could be manageable without SNE??


i figured 25NL would be hard as a motherF..dam 15 tables?? i can run 9. somethin tells me i should get enough money for like 50 BI at 50NL and try grindin it next year to get supernova...just seems like there is a shit load of bonuses that stars offers for those players..am i wrong here?

I don't know how they do it.... I looked up a guy the other day and he had over 20 tables going, amazed me! I am assuming he had some sort of script because his time button activated every so often when it was his turn, but he did a real good job of not going to the time-out/sit out stage. He was a Supernova and was playing SS 200NL tables and 400NL tables. I struggle with 4 tables. I think I'm going to start grinding 25 or 50NL at two tables, if I see an improvement in my ability to handle this I'll add one. Say I start with 100 buy-ins, I'll add another once I hit 125 buy-ins, another with 150?? I dunno though.... I might give that a shot!
 
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I am assuming he had some sort of script because his time button activated every so often when it was his turn

TableNinja does this for you. This plus Table of Interest, multiple monitors and tiling tools make it very easy to mass multi-table.
 
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TableNinja does this for you. This plus Table of Interest, multiple monitors and tiling tools make it very easy to mass multi-table.

I might have to invest in TableNinja if my game grows and gives me the ability to play multiple tables.....I know I can get this through HEM. I'm still having issues with HEM working on PS! It works great on replays, but it won't work while I am playing! Is this normal? Works on any other site....
I just checked out the Table of Interest.... Looks very promising! Might try the demo this weekend!
 
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