Rebuys and Add Ons - Are they worth it?

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I'm having trouble seeing the value of an add on or rebuy. I guess if you get unlucky really early when the blinds are still low, it can make sense to buy in again. Rebuys and add-ons after the blinds have gone up for an hour or more doesn't make as much sense to me. Am I missing something?
 
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I agree that if everyone used their rebuy, it does nothing more than build a prize pool. But, since this isn't always the case, rebuying gives you a significant chip advantage if you have the bankroll. Also, during the rebuying period, you hypothetically have an infinite amount of chips, thus allowing you to make more aggressive and risky moves.

As for add-ons, it's only pertinent if it increases your chipstack by a significant percentage.
 
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Yes is worth of course, because if you do not re-buys and adon, then your opponents will benefit from the size of the stack, when the rebuy period players played a lot loose preflop and possible build a stack...
 
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rebuys n addon are very imp as those got br can ve huge Advantage over those who doesnt buy.
 
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Don't really like to play these tournaments. People constantly make addon and very slow to take off.
 
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My opinion is that the rebuys are not usually cost effective, but the addon is almost always cost effective. Usually the addon is double or more chips than the rebuy will supply, and around the time you are allowed to addon, the addon is around 10 Big Blinds or more, which is a very significant increase to your stack. If you have over 40 Big Blinds you can start to feel secure enough not to buy an addon, but another 10 BB's can always be helpful in propelling you deeper into the tourney.

The argument could be made that rebuying immediately after your first blind is taken out can make a big difference, and it can, but you have to weigh that against your cashing frequency and the amount of variance you are willing to handle. The stack to blind ratio at the beginning of the tourney usually gives you enough room to maneuver without needing that extra depth, but if someone else at the table has already rebought up to double or doubled up through play, if you think you can beat them fair and square, it could be worth it to make sure you have an equal chipstack to take advantage of any opportunity you have when in a hand with them.
 
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Even before the first hand dealt, you have to decide to take advantage of the first to rebuy stack and double cropping in the competition. If the other player does so, it is very well worth to follow their example. If you have a good hand you get up early, and you can four to get the original stack, it represents a serious advantage - if you did not use the first buy-in, it is the "only" double down, get forwarded only to the level where they are the enemies .

At the end of the first hour will be occasional add-one used a lot of new players ask, when to use the add-one. The question really should ask the opposite approach - non-free add-one resort under what circumstances!

Really there are only two reasons to avoid recourse to the add-one. At first, when the stack is so small that it practically gave up the race and after the break, just playing a game of chance chipjeiddel remaining. Second, when a large stack is that the add-on only a slight advantage compared to the costs. The object of the exact boundary dispute settled, but a rule of thumb, if the add-on is less than 10% of the stack, and is at least twice as many chips as the average stack, you may want to think about the money, give one used for megspórolásán - even if only a small percentage of the account of the add-on costs, even think about it!

This is, after all, decide :) Rebuys and Add Ons - Are They Worth It?
 
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in betonline, it's better and add-on, i have .50 cents or 5$. the first break it's 5,000 chips for (50 cents or etc)!:party:
 
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Well:
- you play tournaments because you believe you have an egde. Then why not to bet more.
- also you get usually better rate chips per $ (at least no rake is taken from rebuy)
- the rebuy at begining is need to get max value/chips from fishes (you cannot take their chips later at tournament, because they will be out already)

Anyway, its also perfectly ok to use advantage of short stack and the fact that rebuy maniacs will play much looser.
 
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Much depends on whether there are unlimited rebuys or whether they're limited to one.

As (I flatter myself) an above average tournament player, I dislike unlimited rebuy tourneys because they give rich donks a chance to keep coming back every time you knock them out. As we all know, I'm sure, it only takes one donk to get lucky and suck you out at the wrong moment to put you out of contention or even out completely. The more rebuys that are allowed, the more chance that that one unlucky moment will bite me.

But I love single-rebuy tournaments for the same reason. If I figure I'm good enough to keep my head above water and harvest a decent amount of chips from players worse than me, I'm perfectly content to see a donk buy back in. He only has one more chance to suck out on me, and if I figure I can outplay him say 75% of the time, that's +EV for me all the way to the bank.
 
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The number of rebuys allowed is relevant cos if it's unlimited, then people will alter their style of play and just keep re buying when they crash out, meaning the value of your one rebuy is limited by Being hit with a big all in next hand. If it's a single rebuy, then I would suggest rebuking before the game starts so you increase your stack instantly and put yourself in a position of (even joint) power, and the buy the add on, as odds are it will assist you in the long run and keep you competitive against everyone else who adds on!
 
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They are good in that it inflates the prize pool. So there can still be a small field and the amount generated from rebuys and add ons covers the cost of the tournament.
 
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My theory is that it seems to inflate the pots greatly; wise move from the poker networks.

However, it could be used to your advantage, knowing that you have 'infinite' lives as someone previously mentioned. Doesn't mean you should play like a schlepp - I saw someone rebuy 30+ times this morning in a 1$ rebuy MTT where first place was 35$ or so. :)
 
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I sometimes use add-ons when prizes are not too far and I can drive to them playing passive. And re-buys, when I'm hit in the very beginning and the next match isn't soon.
 
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I will allow myself up to 3 BI although I rarely do 2, honestly. I'll wait to see if i can double up for free first, though. Unless I'm super short-stacked, I always take the Add On. I figure if I've gotten this far, I need to go for the win, so take the chips.
 
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Some tournaments if you make the addon period, its idiotic not to take the addon (3x turbo $1r on stars - 30k addon compared to 3k rebuy for same price)

I find I play most 1R1A tournies similar to a freezeout, I probably wont take the addon unless I am under starting stack. I think my game is pretty solid when short stack so I dont mind playing as such.
 
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hi!
i see advantage to rebuy tournaments because many players change their style before tha addon period and they play hyper aggressive
they used to shove hands like suited connectors or any ace
you can build a stack in early stages and play with an advantage later
 
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This kinda falls under rebuys. But what is the best strategy for re entry? On bovada the re entry times are waayyyyy to long. I haven't done well on bovada in the short time I have spent playing tournys (about a week). I have played only about 6 tournys. I do well early and usually felt a donk or 2 then seem to gradually lose chips throughout the reentry period and either go out right before or after the break. I feel like it has a lot to do with the fact I haven't hardly even had a mediocre hand to play with and when I do raise even in position I just get raised all in. It seems very difficult to survive if u haven't caught cards before the break. And there is no addon to put u back ahead with w decent stack to then actually play. Any advice on playing these super long reentry tournys?
 
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when you add on is a big stack i think worth for exemple you play tornament whit 1$ rebuy you get 1500 chips and when is add on time you get whit 1$ 10.000 chips you make 3 add on and you back in the game . Try to register late after close registration in hope you dont make to much rebuy make add on and play your best game
 
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You shoud always do it, if they hurt your BR then low down the stakes.
 
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I almost every time play rebuys which have larger add-ons, so not rebuying until there and even more not taking add-on makes no sense. However, I never take rebuy unless I lose all my chips, playing with small stack in those tournaments is far better idea than using lots of money to get a big stack which has much less value as $/chip.

On a smaller note, most sites don't rake rebuys and it is little cheaper to buy a rebuy than buy-in to new one.
 
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Much depends on whether there are unlimited rebuys or whether they're limited to one.

As (I flatter myself) an above average tournament player, I dislike unlimited rebuy tourneys because they give rich donks a chance to keep coming back every time you knock them out. As we all know, I'm sure, it only takes one donk to get lucky and suck you out at the wrong moment to put you out of contention or even out completely. The more rebuys that are allowed, the more chance that that one unlucky moment will bite me.

But I love single-rebuy tournaments for the same reason. If I figure I'm good enough to keep my head above water and harvest a decent amount of chips from players worse than me, I'm perfectly content to see a donk buy back in. He only has one more chance to suck out on me, and if I figure I can outplay him say 75% of the time, that's +EV for me all the way to the bank.

I agree with you entirely, and we probably take the a similar stance on it. However, I absolutely despise unlimited rebuys, and I'm uncomfortable with the add-ons too. One rebuy would be fine if there has to be rebuys. It gives incentive for more aggression earlier allows people to play with less fear knowing they have a second chance. Whilst this sounds kind of fishy initially, even non-rebuyers could benefit from the looser players cherry bombing chips into them with less-than-premium hands. Any more than one is an infuriating donkfest designed to make more money for the people running them.

People will ALWAYS take rebuys. As much as I despise them, I'm pretty sure your ROI would probably be higher if you're an above average tournament player. I consider myself the same but stil find them infuriating. In late registration tournaments, it's almost better to register a minute before the break and just add-on....

Despite all that I've said, I'm firmly against rebuys. I think it goes against the whole idea of a tournament. What is going to happen during the next Superbowl? A team loses early and just buys back in...
 
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I think that it should be used , as you have to play more hands , and you can quickly lose all , and rebuy help , and rivals are also playing more hands that will allow them to win you with a bad initial hand
 
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I think rebuys and add ons are sick, just because you can play against someone who have 500 buy ins and he does rebuys 20 times with no problem.
 
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Is it worth the rebuys and add-on?
A poker room that is designed to get people to pay more money, and the more you play with. Get more commissions during the game, draw conclusions, and fewer people take out money!

This is good to keep in mind.
 
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