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BILTIZ
Enthusiast
Silver Level
HUD is cheating and online poker sites now know that if they dont ban it the descending traffic curve will go faster and faster once corona virus quarantine is over
no recreational player wants his stats to be recorded and no it does not help memory it simply introduces a non human feature to a human game i mean what kind of human can memorize how much u check raise after 20000 hands ? lets be honest guys it is using a computer in a game just like using bots
no recreational player wants his stats to be recorded and no it does not help memory it simply introduces a non human feature to a human game i mean what kind of human can memorize how much u check raise after 20000 hands ? lets be honest guys it is using a computer in a game just like using bots
topcatbrazil
Rock Star
Silver Level
The problem is how are the sites going to avoid someone to program one to themselves? This is a big question. One of the things I think they should do in order to keep the people who use Huds from getting an unfair advantage is for them not to reveal the login of the user. That way it would be harder for people using it to take advantage of the non-users. But it is a fact that the online scene will eventually become less important.
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beatlebug
Visionary
Bronze Level
I think using HUD gives a person an edge when it comes to making decisions on what plays a player makes. Whenever I joined some coaching the instructor always says get a HUD. While not all venues allow them, you can play at the ones that do allow.
Beatlebug
Beatlebug
German629
Legend
Platinum Level
Hello, pokersport88! I full agree with You, that HUD (and similar programs) is legalized form of cheating...
I think and see, as the many Poker rooms begin understand this now, and therefore gradually and consistently
began to forbid the different programs, which help the additional advantage, that game became more hornest
and competitive
, and main, by opinion, democratic: that is a game for Everyone!
I think and see, as the many Poker rooms begin understand this now, and therefore gradually and consistently
began to forbid the different programs, which help the additional advantage, that game became more hornest
and competitive
, and main, by opinion, democratic: that is a game for Everyone!
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Mr_RichRich
Rock Star
Silver Level
Nah , i don't think Hud is cheating at all for one and only reason , that it's allowed for all players as equal .
if you don't use it this means you are not approaching the game as Optimal , and thus allowing others to take easy advantage over you .
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BILTIZ
Enthusiast
Silver Level
first of all its not there for everyone since u have to pay to own a decent one and pay even more to get affiliate software that give u more edge
secondly , according to ur logic we can all use bots to play and it would nt be cheating since they are available for everyone and we would only on optimizing the bots decisions ...
all in all it comes down to the experience of playing the game itself , poker with a HUD is not as fun and challenging as it is without them and so people will play less and less online poker
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BILTIZ
Enthusiast
Silver Level
first of all its not there for everyone since u have to pay to own a decent one and pay even more to get affiliate software that give u more edge
secondly , according to ur logic we can all use bots to play and it would nt be cheating since they are available for everyone and we would only on optimizing the bots decisions ...
all in all it comes down to the experience of playing the game itself , poker with a HUD is not as fun and challenging as it is without them and so people will play less and less online poker
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Mr_RichRich
Rock Star
Silver Level
Bro you don't have to pay for expensive HUD , there are couple of free stuff online.
Second thing bots are not used by humans since they are "CGS" , and the good thing with bots it's easy to beat and reveal them .
Finally poker ain't a game of fun and challenge , it's a game of money , and if your playing for fun then you shouldn't be angry with or without hud.
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BILTIZ
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Bro you don't have to pay for expensive HUD , there are couple of free stuff online.
Second thing bots are not used by humans since they are "CGS" , and the good thing with bots it's easy to beat and reveal them .
Finally poker ain't a game of fun and challenge , it's a game of money , and if your playing for fun then you shouldn't be angry with or without hud.
As u wish my friend but im not convinced i think hud are going to keep us recreational players away and in time those using them will end up grinding each others money
that combined with money laundering issues poker sites are facing will lead to online poker dying more and more
and by the way i come from an banking background and i assure u if money is ur primary and sole drive use an investment platform and spend the amount of time u are spending grinding and perfecting these software and ull come up with a much higher ROI
MikeCarasone
Legend
Platinum Level
While I do not think the HUD is cheating I do feel that the site should give us all the same information so all players have the same stats and are on an equal playing field. Some players are likely using real time solvers and decision programs and that is definitely crossing the lines.
Trillian
Legend
Bronze Level
That's not how trackers work. They can only track hands you played with other players so there is now way to know villains stats without having played against him/her. That's btw why some stats need a bigger sample size than others. While you can see a clear tendency of VPIP and PFR after 30 Hands, you need at least 100 hands for AF to become somewhat liable.
How about sports with equipment? Is it cheating to wax your skis? Let's go to the extreme. Formula 1 is the most technologically sophisticated sport out there. There are many regulations about what can and cannot be done to win a race. The rules a set by the series (like poker rooms) and those, who follow them are not cheaters but competitors. If you think others should race a F1 track with a bicycle because you think a car is cheating.....well then good luck.
True. My HUD is free as in free beer and free as in free speech, meaning I could even improve myself if I knew enough about programming Python.Bro you don't have to pay for expensive HUD , there are couple of free stuff online.
Second thing bots are not used by humans since they are "CGS" , and the good thing with bots it's easy to beat and reveal them .
Finally poker ain't a game of fun and challenge , it's a game of money , and if your playing for fun then you shouldn't be angry with or without hud.
Let me underline you last sentence with a quote by Doyle Brunson: "Poker is war. People pretend it is a game."
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BILTIZ
Enthusiast
Silver Level
How about sports with equipment? Is it cheating to wax your skis? Let's go to the extreme. Formula 1 is the most technologically sophisticated sport out there. There are many regulations about what can and cannot be done to win a race. The rules a set by the series (like poker rooms) and those, who follow them are not cheaters but competitors. If you think others should race a F1 track with a bicycle because you think a car is cheating.....well then good luck.
U just nailed it F1 is the perfect example and we all know that is far beyond its glory days since the introduction of sophisticated computer systems to tracks and cars in fact thay are reducing these systems now in hope it brings back some of the glory
so ...
U just nailed it F1 is the perfect example and we all know that is far beyond its glory days since the introduction of sophisticated computer systems to tracks and cars in fact thay are reducing these systems now in hope it brings back some of the glory
so ...
Trillian
Legend
Bronze Level
And where in poker is glory without win? Do you have any clue how much time the best professionals spent away from the table studying with solvers? A HUD only gives you a crutch for the tells you miss online. What tells are in live poker, are stats in online poker.
If you miss glory in F1 it's not because the difference is too wide but exactly because the edge is so low. That's why overtaking has become so difficult and through technical advancement it has become more of a team sport and races are often won at the pit stop.
If you want to have glory while playing poker, then why play online at all. A shiny casino is much more glorious and people have no HUD there. Good luck.
If you miss glory in F1 it's not because the difference is too wide but exactly because the edge is so low. That's why overtaking has become so difficult and through technical advancement it has become more of a team sport and races are often won at the pit stop.
If you want to have glory while playing poker, then why play online at all. A shiny casino is much more glorious and people have no HUD there. Good luck.
jovan123
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I personally don't use one and I wouldn't exactly say it's cheating but your definitely gaining a advantage with hand histories over your opponent..now if someone could memorize all that information in there own brain and be able to retrieve it when needed without a computers help. Well that would be a story
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Oxinthewater
Rock Star
Silver Level
For HUD's giving statistics from only games you've played against a player, I do not consider them cheating - they are simply giving the player a convenient way to record and display this. In addition to this, the small advantage given by a HUD is available to all players, and thus it's not really an unfair advantage (which is when I generally think something crosses into being cheating).
Whether or not they are good for the game is a different question. While it may be the case that everybody can get a HUD, does it not hurt the casual player who just wants to play some poker from his phone, who will deposit and put money into the ecosystem? There are pros and cons both ways.
Another factor is that a HUD can be a bit like a crutch, in the sense that it can you can rely on it to do things which you should be able do yourself if necessary. For this reason I do not play with one at this point, as I want to build my skills.
Whether or not they are good for the game is a different question. While it may be the case that everybody can get a HUD, does it not hurt the casual player who just wants to play some poker from his phone, who will deposit and put money into the ecosystem? There are pros and cons both ways.
Another factor is that a HUD can be a bit like a crutch, in the sense that it can you can rely on it to do things which you should be able do yourself if necessary. For this reason I do not play with one at this point, as I want to build my skills.
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wermutt
Enthusiast
Silver Level
a lot of different online, a little effort