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1. Why would anyone purchase info on players that in incomplete/inaccurate?

If I flipped a coin 100 times and it landed on heads every single time, you'd be pretty confident it was rigged, right? What if the coin fell under the table 5 times and you couldn't see whether it landed heads or tails. The other 95 times, you saw that it landed on heads. Would you still be confident that coin was rigged?

It's a similar situation with PTR. We track around 95% of the cash game hands played on all the major online poker rooms. Sure we miss a small percentage of hands, but we still give you very meaningful data :)

2. Is there a plan to start tracking and recording rush poker hands?

Nope, not in the immediate future.
 
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Does this site only track ring games ? It said I played 168 hands but I sure don't remember playing them :rolleyes: and it said I was Ice Cold but then graded me a B.:rolleyes: :confused:
 
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This thread is for questions for PTR. Off topic posts will be deleted. 16 so far. :(
 
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Would you atleast state that based on the ToC of the poker sites, that what you are doing is illegal?
 
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Would you atleast state that based on the ToC of the poker sites, that what you are doing is illegal?

Well, if they don't play there, they have no reason to respect the sites' T&C
 
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Would you atleast state that based on the ToC of the poker sites, that what you are doing is illegal?

3rd party, overseas commercial businesses cannot make something "illegal". Legality is determined by the laws of your country.

- Michael
 
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How can you watch every/and single ones hand? Especially when they fold/muck their cards?

You might well be able to watch from a table in observer however not seeing hand history of what you like is possible buddy.

Well, buddy, PTR doesn't 'see' folded/mucked cards either.
 
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Why hasn't Stars or FTP blocked everyone from railing games to stop you and the others like you? Seems like the obvious answer and then you go away.

Maybe they're not trying as hard as they claim to stop you?
 
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Why hasn't Stars or FTP blocked everyone from railing games to stop you and the others like you? Seems like the obvious answer and then you go away.

Maybe they're not trying as hard as they claim to stop you?

Obviously they only pretend to try to fight them. They're probably quite happy about the advertisement PTR represents for them when people look at nanonoko's graph, for instance. They just wish fishes were not tracked as well.
 
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Do you have a way to count how many royal flushes are dealt each day on the different sites? Also can you give us a link to some of the worst bad beats that have been recorded by PTR?
 
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Do you have a way to count how many royal flushes are dealt each day on the different sites?

When you get a royal flush, you get a special badge on PTR. Creating a leaderboard the shows who got a royal flush in the last 24 hours, week, month and year is definitely on our radar.

Also, the chances of getting a royal flush is 1 in 649,739. PTR tracks around 18,000,000 hands per day across all the major poker networks, so we see an average of around 28 royal flushes per day.

Also can you give us a link to some of the worst bad beats that have been recorded by PTR?

Here's a pretty bad beat from a $10NL game:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/hand-history/stars/37507381623/4272303561

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I heard PTR has recently invented an alternative fuel made from puppies, how is that going?
 
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I heard PTR has recently invented an alternative fuel made from puppies, how is that going?

Pretty good. We're just finishing up finding the most efficient way to harvest the last key ingredient - tears from baby orphans.

- Michael
 
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Any talk of draw games being added to the stats?
 
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WTF, are you sure FTP didn't suspend that guy for being a giant douche?
I'll have to say I'm a bit disappointed in disco's reaction. He had a pretty good rep in the coaching arena and I had hoped to learn something from him now that he's at at DTB. Now I have a hard time taking him seriously even if he is a good player/coach -- and I'm kinda wondering if DTB isn't going to get sullied because of this. His whole "all poker players are degenerate immoral scumbags anyway" diatribe as a means of justifying his own actions just really put a lot of people off.
 
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I'll have to say I'm a bit disappointed in disco's reaction. He had a pretty good rep in the coaching arena and I had hoped to learn something from him now that he's at at DTB. Now I have a hard time taking him seriously even if he is a good player/coach -- and I'm kinda wondering if DTB isn't going to get sullied because of this. His whole "all poker players are degenerate immoral scumbags anyway" diatribe as a means of justifying his own actions just really put a lot of people off.

As this relates to DTB, I canceled my membership today not because of Disco but because they have a banner ad on PTR! The whole thing with Disco being a coach there just adds to my issue with them supporting PTR.
 
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Care to comment on a player who purchased HH from you being, at least, temp banned from FTP for doing so?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=22787241&postcount=38813

I hope he is just the 1st of many cheaters to get caught. :)

PTR has had tens of thousands of happy customers. To our knowledge, no funds have ever been confiscated and no one has ever been permanently banned. We don't have all the details of DiscoBisco's particular case but it seems like vizer02 made it his mission to get DiscoBisco suspended.
 
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PTR has had tens of thousands of happy customers. To our knowledge, no funds have ever been confiscated and no one has ever been permanently banned. We don't have all the details of DiscoBisco's particular case but it seems like vizer02 made it his mission to get DiscoBisco suspended.

Well, I think it was Disco who made it his mission to get suspended. You see it was Disco who broke the ToS by buying HH from PTR and it was Disco who posted about it on a public forum. #1 is cheating (imo) and #2 is just stupid. Neither #1 nor #2 had ANYTHING to do with vizer. #1 did have something to do with you though and I hope more of your customers meet the same fate (or worse). Do you give your customers any warning before they click the button to send payment that their actions are against the ToS and MAY result in their accounts being suspended?

Also how do you feel about people buying HHs from you and then reselling them to recover/split costs? Is that against your ToS? What if I brought them and put up a website to give them to anyone who wanted them? Would that be OK?

I mean I'd just be there to give information to the little people.
 
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Banning people from sharing hand histories in an unenforceable rule (unless you actually tell the poker sites you're doing it through a blog post, forum post, etc.). For the same reasons that poker sites can't stop you from sharing your hand histories, PTR can't stop you from sharing the hands you buy from us.

We wouldn't be happy if you tried to resell PTR hands, but we know it'd be silly to make a rule against it.

David Sklansky discusses unenforceable rules in his book "DUCY". Here is an excerpt:

Live poker games have a well known and very sensible rule, “One player to a hand.” You can’t get advice about how to play your hand because it would create an unfair advantage over the other players. Casinos sometimes let friends sit behind a player, but they can’t give advice.

But what if you play poker on the internet? Should it be against the rules to give or receive advice? And because nobody can see who you are, something even worse happens: An entirely different person, even a famous pro, can play using your name. So people think they are playing against you, but they are really playing against a pro. Both of these violations of the one player to a hand rule have been called “ghosting” and I believe some internet poker sites allow it, and some don’t.

When asked for my opinion about ghosting, my instant reaction was that it should be allowed. But I don’t trust anyone’s instant reaction, not even my own and needed to see whether my answer coud be justified logically. After thinking about it, I realized that anti-ghosting rules belong in a more general category: rules or laws that seem reasonable, but still shouldn’t be “on the books” partly because they are unenforceable. To be more precise, it’s my opinion that this sort of rules should not exist whenever three criteria are met.

1. The rule must be truly unenforceable. That is, it’s nearly impossible to catch violations.
2. The rule, through reasonable, should not involve important moral principles.
3. The rule relates to economic competitions, and rule-breakers would have a definit advantage over rule-followers.

You would probably agree that anti-ghosting rules meet all these criteria. So would a rule against athlete’s taking an aspirin before an event if aspirin helped them and there was no way detect it? My primary objection is the third criterion: Such a rule penalizes the rule-follower who will never cheat. I want him to be able to take that aspirin as well. We should get rid of rules that help cheaters and punish good citizens.

On the other hand, my opinion applies only when there is virtually no chance of catching a cheater and only if the issue involved is not a serious one. If there were an undetectable and dangerous illegal drug that helped athletic performance, it would violate my second criterion, and the rule should remain despite its inability to be enforced. If there are serious moral issues involved, it’s important that society keep the rule to avoid sending the wrong message.
 
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So I guess starting a site that resells the HH you sell for like $5 per million would probably be a great business venture? You do all the hard work stealing the HH and the reselling site makes all the profit stealing from you. I mean there is no honor among thieves so it's not like your customers are going to stay loyal when they can get them from someone else for a HUGE discount.
 
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So I guess starting a site that resells the HH you sell for like $5 per million would probably be a great business venture? You do all the hard work stealing the HH and the reselling site makes all the profit stealing from you. I mean there is no honor among thieves so it's not like your customers are going to stay loyal when they can get them from someone else for a HUGE discount.

meh, PTR did not invent selling of hand histories. They merely made it known to the general public because they set up their public web site. But I'm pretty sure the real angle shooters don't buy from them as their pricing actually sucks compared to historical HH sites like hhsmithey. So I don't think PTR is really worried about a price war.
 
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