Are there bots on pokerstars?

[nax]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Are you guys telling me that BOTS actually exist?

Like automated machines that make decisions for the player while he's not even at the pc?

Any link to any site with further info on this? this is pretty weird stuff .(and unheard of in my book)

Bots are as old as online poker is! But you rarely see them in the big sites because they have very good security. It seems that these players, I saw yesterday, are not playing today. Maybe they got caught or blew up the BR
Btw there are many bots, they are scripts, you teach them to play with algorithms (scripts) and they follow the rules. Haven't you played any poker on your mobile or PC against a computer? It is the same thing!

 

[dmorris68]

Unless the 30 table man has at least 3 monitors set up I don't see how it's possible.

Not at all. Most mass-multitabler don't tile, they stack. Or a combination of tiled stacks. I've seen players playing 20+ tables in a single monitor.

I prefer tiling,and do have 3 1920x1200 monitors. I can tile 9 tables per monitor if I want to max myself out, but prefer 6 per and only two monitors. I tried spreading tables across all 3 monitors for awhile, but got serious neckaches from the constant neck swinging required to cover that much real estate.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Are you guys telling me that BOTS actually exist?

Like automated machines that make decisions for the player while he's not even at the pc?

Any link to any site with further info on this? this is pretty weird stuff .(and unheard of in my book)

They're not machines, they software bots. Seriously, you didn't know this? As said, they're as old as online poker, and exist in just about any other type of online game as well, like MMORPGs or FPSes. Some poker rooms used to employ bots to start games or keep the tables populated. There's an underground industry in poker bots, and even websites that will sell them to you. Yes it's cheating, and yes it violates TOS in a serious way that will get your account frozen and funds confiscated if detected.

 

[vinylspiros]

Not at all. Most mass-multitabler don't tile, they stack. Or a combination of tiled stacks. I've seen players playing 20+ tables in a single monitor.

I prefer tiling,and do have 3 1920x1200 monitors. I can tile 9 tables per monitor if I want to max myself out, but prefer 6 per and only two monitors. I tried spreading tables across all 3 monitors for awhile, but got serious neckaches from the constant neck swinging required to cover that much real estate.


They're not machines, they software bots. Seriously, you didn't know this? As said, they're as old as online poker, and exist in just about any other type of online game as well, like MMORPGs or FPSes. Some poker rooms used to employ bots to start games or keep the tables populated. There's an underground industry in poker bots, and even websites that will sell them to you. Yes it's cheating, and yes it violates TOS in a serious way that will get your account frozen and funds confiscated if detected.

seriously, i never even heard of anything like that before. I mean, i have said to myself, ""Imagine IF they could make software that can do something like that"", but didn't really know they actually existed. So if they do exist and are being used, that means some of the players we are sitting at the tables with could be machines? BOTS? How can the site even know who is clicking the button?

 

[DrazaFFT]

I didnt know it either, i have read some discussions about buts but i understand that is a myth that they were made by poker room and just for sake of more traffic and that they are easy to beat or something like that... But now reading this i wonder how good bot can really be, i know almost nothing about programming but i guess that good bot can have big advantage in math side of poker making decisions precisely based on pot odds and probabilities but i dont think that he can do any harm to average player because i dont see how they can be build to play anything but straight forward and once you get how and what they play i see some good bucks in your favor, when i was young i played some holdem poker games and those cpu (if can be compared to bots) are beyond ridiculous, even that i knew about 1% of what i know about poker now.

 

[dmorris68]

Modern bots are very advanced. Current AI has pretty much solved LHE. NLHE isn't solved but state-of-the-art bots can reportedly beat all but the best players.

Early bots were brain-dead and easily recognizable and beatable. Mid-generation bots were smarter, a lot more mathematical, and with RB could generate large profits just from sheer volume of games played, but observant players could identify their robotic ABC tendencies and exploit them like you would exploit any other ABC player. Supposedly the state-of-the-art bots, which are hard to come by and very expensive if even available to the general public, can recognize and adjust to player tendencies and beat most of the lower-mid stakes.

 

[micromachine]

BOTS? How can the site even know who is clicking the button?

I've had a message flashing up across all my open stars tables before asking me to type a particular word into the chatbox. This is presumably one measure Stars have in place for catching bots and closing the accounts.

 

[vinylspiros]

I've had a message flashing up across all my open stars tables before asking me to type a particular word into the chatbox. This is presumably one measure Stars have in place for catching bots and closing the accounts.

Right right, ive seen that before too once. Wondered what that was all about. WOW.

 

[vinylspiros]

Modern bots are very advanced. Current AI has pretty much solved LHE. NLHE isn't solved but state-of-the-art bots can reportedly beat all but the best players.

Early bots were brain-dead and easily recognizable and beatable. Mid-generation bots were smarter, a lot more mathematical, and with RB could generate large profits just from sheer volume of games played, but observant players could identify their robotic ABC tendencies and exploit them like you would exploit any other ABC player. Supposedly the state-of-the-art bots, which are hard to come by and very expensive if even available to the general public, can recognize and adjust to player tendencies and beat most of the lower-mid stakes.

So ,in other words. Online poker can be rigged and is rigged in a way. cause if im playing against a machine/bot/software whatever, that means im playing against a non-human entity ,therefor i am at a disadvantage.

 

[dmorris68]

So ,in other words. Online poker can be rigged and is rigged in a way. cause if im playing against a machine/bot/software whatever, that means im playing against a non-human entity ,therefor i am at a disadvantage.

Whoa. This isn't "rigged." Be careful throwing that word around because it means or implies a very different thing than the mere existence or possibility of 3rd party bots.

No need to panic or blow things out of proportion. As we've said, this is nothing new. Bots are a reality like colluders and chip dumpers and illegal real-time coaching software are a reality. It's something to be aware of in case you see suspicious behavior, it doesn't mean it's something you run into on a regular basis. And whether a bot even "has an advantage" over you depends on a lot of factors.

Although bots are becoming smarter, there are still behavioral patterns that can expose them, especially to a site who has all of their history and can easily analyze their play. The sites (especially pokerstars) are pretty sophisticated in their techniques to identify and shut them down. And because the major sites like Pokerstars are pretty good at this, most of the people using/developing bots are likely targeting them at the smaller, shadier, and/or less diligent sites.

 

[vinylspiros]

Whoa. This isn't "rigged." Be careful throwing that word around because it means or implies a very different thing than the mere existence or possibility of 3rd party bots.

No need to panic or blow things out of proportion. As we've said, this is nothing new. Bots are a reality like colluders and chip dumpers and illegal real-time coaching software are a reality. It's something to be aware of in case you see suspicious behavior, it doesn't mean it's something you run into on a regular basis. And whether a bot even "has an advantage" over you depends on a lot of factors.

Although bots are becoming smarter, there are still behavioral patterns that can expose them, especially to a site who has all of their history and can easily analyze their play. The sites (especially Pokerstars) are pretty sophisticated in their techniques to identify and shut them down. And because the major sites like Pokerstars are pretty good at this, most of the people using/developing bots are likely targeting them at the smaller, shadier, and/or less diligent sites.

Ok ok. thnks for the briefing Dmorris. Not panicking but kinda disturbed. thats all. anyways i get the point yea.
I guess where there is money ,there is always some sort of dirt.

 

[UnNa7uRal]

At most I've seen 16 tables at the same time (cash games). But 30 is quite impossible imo! Better call an admin, it's quite easy on PS and they come fast!

 

[absoluthamm]

Ok ok. thnks for the briefing Dmorris. Not panicking but kinda disturbed. thats all. anyways i get the point yea.
I guess where there is money ,there is always some sort of dirt.

Not even necessarily money, just competition. People always look to get any advantage they can.

 

[dmorris68]

At most I've seen 16 tables at the same time (cash games). But 30 is quite impossible imo! Better call an admin, it's quite easy on PS and they come fast!

Not at all impossible, as you'd have seen if you read through the thread. There are a number of grinders who can play 25-30 tables and more. I think the record is something like 62 tables for a profit.

 

[absoluthamm]

Not at all impossible, as you'd have seen if you read through the thread. There are a number of grinders who can play 25-30 tables and more. I think the record is something like 62 tables for a profit.

Yep, 62 tables at like $23 profit by Elky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhjcVTklWD0

 

[TeUnit]

dont think so, but a fair amt of the humans play like bots

 

[nax]

dont think so, but a fair amt of the humans play like bots

haha you got that right, man!
Even worse, they play like 1st gen bots :fisheye:

 

[nax]

Yep, 62 tables at like $23 profit by Elky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhjcVTklWD0

Man, what is he on? WTF is he saying! He is inaudible! I had a good laugh tho

 

[rumsey182]

I play maximum 5 tables, sng or mtt.30 tables is not poker, you don't have
the time for any play.You play just like machine.

i have played 24 mtt sngs before without table ninja so of course 30 is possible with the right setup

 

[Robert131313]

Well i hope ps....will get rid of boths,,,cuz its interestin playing with real people,,not machines

 

[Himanshu]

i played a few free rolls at stars i must say its like a site full of bad beats

 

[Poker Orifice]

At most I've seen 16 tables at the same time (cash games). But 30 is quite impossible imo! Better call an admin, it's quite easy on PS and they come fast!

It is not all that uncommon.

There are actually some mid & high-stakes MTT regs. who are playing over 20 tourneys at a time (& obviously the decision making in those games are a tad more complex than some micro sng grinder's).

 

[rumsey182]

At most I've seen 16 tables at the same time (cash games). But 30 is quite impossible imo! Better call an admin, it's quite easy on PS and they come fast!

ever heard of leatherass9? nanonoko? any mid to highstakes regs?
sng grinders?

all confirmed bots?,....

here is what they do:
* use stack and tile or some other layout management software
* use poker tracker or holdem manager
* use table ninja or some sort of auto hotkey
* sometimes you use a controller or something
* multiple monitors

 

[dcoltonbrown]

They are not bots...they are players from 3rd world countries and canada that go all in all the time. Its socialist poker...trickle down players who never won....they just go all in all of the time. Next time you play, check it out. All of the all-in bot types are from 3rd world countries or socialist nations.

 

[developer716]

You can play 6 tables and it is quite real but how people manage but on SNGS or cash games, sit on 30 tables is a bust,I do not think that there are bots!
Maybe the guy just decided to play all ?

 

[WiZZiM]

Have you seen any suspicious behavior on pokerstars?
I was playing some 9man S&Gs yesterday and I've noticed that I keep on bumping on the same players. I also noticed that these player only fold or shove, rarely did they call or raise. When I clicked the "Find player" option it showed me thhese players (there were 2 of them) are playing like 30 tables at the same time! 30 SnGs! Is this rly possible and how good you must be to play 30 tables at the same time? On 1.5$ stake?

haven't read through any responses but i used to play 15-25 of the 3.40 sngs back in the day profitably. bots? most of them may as well be, playing 30 sngs is easy if you just fold all the way and play very straightforward. playing 30 tables at a decent expectancy is far harder. a few of my sng friends have been known to play 30 tables tiled without table ninja or elaborate setups, they just know sngs inside out and rarely have to think about a decision for less than a second or two.

most regs in low levels play that many tables because they think they are good, they add tables too quickly and forget about study away from the table. Study is important because it allows you to recognize decisions far quicker and allows you to think about things less when on the tables. but it's a hell of a lot of work to get to that level.

if you do see these types of players, learn their strategy and load as many games with them as possible, they will rarely if ever adjust, and they are basically ATM's giving you a lot of money a little at a time