PokerStars to return to US?

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Does today's news article about PokerStars being potentially bought by a Canadian company help things along? I hope so!

Ownership was the primary obstacle in NJ, and this sale most likely means they will be moving forward there. Amaya is (I believe) already approved in NJ, so it should be a swift slam dunk.

Doesn't change anything in California
 
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Wow if that happens, Canadians might not be allowed to play hmmm!
 
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Having watched the Indian Tribes in California for years, IMHO, it won't matter who own Stars. The Tribes will argue that Stars is riddled with peeps who were part of the Bad Actor, and they could fire everyone except the building maintenance guy, and the Tribes would focus on him as the bad actor.

Here is when the eternal pessimist in me grabs hold of things. That being; 'whatever can go wrong, will go wrong.'

Someone should ask those tribe whether or not they have already contracted with someone to provide an OLP platform and who that someone is. If not, are they developing it themselves ? Re-inventing the wheel is about as stupid an idea as I can think of, especially when it will actually have to roll.
 
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Having watched the Indian Tribes in California for years, IMHO, it won't matter who own Stars. The Tribes will argue that Stars is riddled with peeps who were part of the Bad Actor, and they could fire everyone except the building maintenance guy, and the Tribes would focus on him as the bad actor.

They won't even have to go that far, the language is such that all of the assets of pokerstars/FTP are toxic, so ownership won't matter. This is proof that it isn't about 'bad actors' but rather a (very real) fear that a single platform unavailable to most will dominate the market

Here is when the eternal pessimist in me grabs hold of things. That being; 'whatever can go wrong, will go wrong.'

Someone should ask those tribe whether or not they have already contracted with someone to provide an OLP platform and who that someone is. If not, are they developing it themselves ? Re-inventing the wheel is about as stupid an idea as I can think of, especially when it will actually have to roll.

They are being tight lipped about their agreements, but no doubt discussions are going on behind the scenes. I heard someone say one Tribe is developing their own platform, but have no way to confirm it.

I still say making the platforms available as networks, separating the platforms from the licensed operators and restricting them to b2b operators, would smooth over all of the difficulties facing markets that will only support a few platforms and where there are dozens of potential operators who would be left out (thereby making them opponents of legislation).
 
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Regardless of just how much PS, FT can enter the USA.... it's positive buzz. And we can use all the positive US poker buzz we can get :)
 
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Pokerstars coming back to the USA after recently being acquired by AMAYA?

We all love to speculate. So I thought I would start a thread based purely on speculation:

AMAYA recently acquired the parent company of Pokerstars. Could the change in management mean a change in policy regarding US players? Is it possible the new management will turn Pokerstars into sites like Carbon, Bovada, and Full Flush, sites who have serviced US players despite the questionable legality of doing so?

Or, if not coming to the USA completely, maybe they will relax some of their requirements (i.e. turn a blind eye toward US players playing through VPN's with international IP Addresses)?

Food for thought!
 
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We all love to speculate. So I thought I would start a thread based purely on speculation:

AMAYA recently acquired the parent company of Pokerstars. Could the change in management mean a change in policy regarding US players? Is it possible the new management will turn Pokerstars into sites like Carbon, Bovada, and Full Flush, sites who have serviced US players despite the questionable legality of doing so?

Or, if not coming to the USA completely, maybe they will relax some of their requirements (i.e. turn a blind eye toward US players playing through VPN's with international IP Addresses)?

Food for thought!

Absolutely not. Amaya is a publicly traded company, with a responsibility to shareholders. They could not and will not flout US laws, the risk is even higher now than it was before.
 
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Absolutely not. Amaya is a publicly traded company, with a responsibility to shareholders. They could not and will not flout US laws, the risk is even higher now than it was before.

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We should not doubt AMAYA is aiming at getting re-involved in the US, and has now created a situation where all the (up till now) major objections are eliminated.

We should also expect a new round of objections we haven't even heard of to be introduced by the greedy bastards who have ignored us all these years but have entrenched interests in their/our futures. Stuff from that moral objection side of the equation seems natural, but I expect other new objections.

With the NJ, and NV operations showing they are not the cash cows some thought they could be, perhaps a push will be made politicos to view OLP on a more national scale.

Our biggest anchor tho is online 'gaming'. 'Gaming' includes all sorts of other games where the 'House' reigns supreme. From Bingo to blackjack, Keno to Craps. Even most poker players can figure out those games are an anchor to us.
 
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With Isai and co out of the way it's a large possibility that PS will return in a year or so, at least to AC. Let's hope all this anti online poker propaganda doesn't hurt us
 
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It is very probable, that the old 'Stars Owners and Principles' were nothing more than a canard. The B&M establishment was continually kicking themselves in the butt for not getting into the game earlier, and with the UIGEA, and then Black Friday, they saw a sneaky way to level the field to the point they could/can actually be relevant.

That establishment will find some new devious way to fight Stars, or any other established platform (bodog ?) from regaining a toehold in US OLP. They know without doubt, that if Stars regains that toehold, their investments will instantly become worthless. For what sane person would play anywhere else than Stars if there is a choice? They intend to never allow that choice.

IMHO, by the time anything like the good old days returns, pokers rep will have been tarnished so much that the general non regular poker player will know the game is riddled with sharks, and that will keep poker as either a profession, or a kitchen table home game. And the pros will be eating themselves and the occasional 'entertainment' based player.

It will (unfortunately) never be like the good old days for US players.
 
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I like Pokerstar working on business behavior....honesty and obey business ethics!
 
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I wish they would because some of these other sites are kind of bunk I'd rather be playing on pokerstars.
 
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Maybe PokerStars will return and maybe they won't. Chances are they will have a different name and different leadership if they do. What the real point is though is will PokerStars making a difference? Will this merger increase liquidity? Will it make access to legal online poker sites in the US any easier.

Here's my take and that of another poker blogger.

http://tinyurl.com/m5mn6y3
 
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Articles like this piss me off.

Online poker is still played legally throughout Europe and illegally by many Americans on sites based outside the US.

So many Americans believe this to be true because the media keeps saying it. ONLINE POKER IS NOT ILLEGAL in the USA. It may be illegal in a couple states, but there is NO FEDERAL LAW banning OLP. Politicians, lawyers, and the media seem to have no idea what the UIGEA actually is/says.
 
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I hope they will return it's the best site worldwide.
 
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that sound great if pokerstars or party poker return to us will be a boon to poker again i speaking lby mysefl after the black friday and the all the problem to get a simple deposit made me stop playing poker online but i starting again playing on carbon y wpt club so i just saw this news so i got my finger cross
 
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Please please please let this be true, so many games on PS. Dont have to wait forever for a sitngo to start.

Actually, it would be worth it just for this at this point. In US, we now call them sit n waits.
 
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We all love to speculate. So I thought I would start a thread based purely on speculation:

AMAYA recently acquired the parent company of Pokerstars. Could the change in management mean a change in policy regarding US players? Is it possible the new management will turn Pokerstars into sites like Carbon, Bovada, and Full Flush, sites who have serviced US players despite the questionable legality of doing so?

Or, if not coming to the USA completely, maybe they will relax some of their requirements (i.e. turn a blind eye toward US players playing through VPN's with international IP Addresses)?

Food for thought!

This would be the very last thing they would do if they really want to reenter the US market...

Just imagine a congressional hearing:

So Mr. Amaya, according to these documents thousands of Americans have already been playing illegally on Pstars for 18 months now.....NOT ONLY THAT, but in this inter office EMAIL weve obtained by a mole at Pstars, you DIRECTED THEM TO RELAX restrictions on known ways to evade detection and barring that had up till then been relatively effective at keeping American players out of play?

Oh, and you are indicted on tax evasion...
 
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Actually, it would be worth it just for this at this point. In US, we now call them sit n waits.

+1

The more likely way we might see Stars is when one Casino or another starts using Stars Software under that Casino's banner. Whether or not we would get to play in an international pool is the real issue.
 
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I think poker stars will return to NV,DE and NJ once things get straightened out it will take a while for them operate in other states Amaya has a deal with Golden Nugget's online poker site right now it's a play money site but when it goes to real money I'm sure the site platform will be like PokerStars.
 
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I think Poker Stars will return to NV,DE and NJ once things get straightened out .

NV has a bad actors clause, Pokerstars and all its properties are barred for five years from enactment, so they have to wait at least that long.

DE is a single operator, under agreement with the state lottery. That agreement is a five year deal, so Pokerstars has no chance in DE for the same period of time as NV.

Neither of these markets are large enough to sustain intrastate play, and there isn't much reason for Pokerstars to even pursue them. That could change, but not for at least four years.

NJ is an altogether different matter. It would appear the road is nearly clear for Pokerstars to get in NJ. But the optimism we see in poker media is and always will be extremely optimistic, as negativity doesn't sell copy lol.
 
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NV has a bad actors clause, Pokerstars and all its properties are barred for five years from enactment, so they have to wait at least that long.
Rational Group was the company that owned and operated PokerStars and it has sold its entire interest in the PokerStars brand to Amaya Gaming. Is it clear that the "bad actor" clause bars another independent compamy from using the PokerStars software platform in the jurisdiction in question?
 
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Rational Group was the company that owned and operated PokerStars and it has sold its entire interest in the PokerStars brand to Amaya Gaming. Is it clear that the "bad actor" clause bars another independent compamy from using the PokerStars software platform in the jurisdiction in question?

Yes, it is.

1. Any trademark, trade name, service
mark or similar intellectual property under
which an interactive gaming facility was
identified to the patrons of the interactive
gaming facility;


2. Any information regarding persons via
a database, customer list or any derivative of
a database or customer list; and


3. Any software or hardware relating
to the management, administration,
development, testing or control of an
interactive gaming facility.
 
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