Martin
Scokyl's Scoundrels
Administrator
It is happening soon Party Poker to Enforce Player Alias Change and Prevent 3rd Party Tracking Tools
bianconi_10
Rock Star
Silver Level
Why, its just a way to compilate informations for more than 1table, Poker is a volume game, how can it makes volume without that?
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AlbieTross
Legend
Silver Level
I'm glad poker sites are starting to make these decisions and I hope more sites, especially US sites, follow suit. Make online poker as fair as possible.
Tenek26
Rock Star
Silver Level
I do not understand why so many people are glad that it will be banned. In this case us have to play less tables. This is a very negative action for all regular players. If this happens in all the rooms, apparently, I, finally, will have to go in HU.
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agriggy
Rock Star
Silver Level
It is a very good idea, let it be a players' game.
Inequitas
Legend
Silver Level
My Opinion is: It's good for the game! Its good to bring all those who cant win with out it back into the real world of live play...
Every single Twitch Streamer I've seen will no doubt be lost with out one but at the same time they can show real players round the world what important and that's Real Play...
multi tabling will become much more difficult....
Having said all that, You know The Platform that Designs a Table that already incorporates a HUD within it will take a very large percentage of the Poker Market over night...
Its Poker Wars out there and no platform will give up the market they have by ruling out what most of their clients want and at the moment need in order to play the way they have for years now...
With the big changes ahead if a Platform doesn't jump on the HUD revolution they will fall in the battle over clients numbers...
So they might restrict the used of HUD's but they will replace it with changes that incorporate their own versions... remember selling a side line for them will allow control over a "new" market that they will monopolize... Money and Profit will always be the objective behind all decisions platforms make... as you know where it puts money in their pocket they're really good at making these decisions...
Making statements is a test of popularity and client numbers... the big alias change is about safe guarding all their users from past recorded/database stats
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
I wish all sites would ban them poker should be played without any outside help when you sit down and play you shouldn't be allowed to phone a friend
A HUD is just a collection of data on, how your opponent has played in previous hands. Like he raised before the flop 15% of the time, he folded to a flop C-bet 61% of the time etc. Its still up to you as a player to figure out, what lines you should take against him, so its no more "outside help" than having a speedometer, when you drive a car.
Actually "phoning a friend" is against the TOS of most poker sites, but at the same time impossible to control. For sure there are people, who, if they run deep in a tournament, will pay their coach to come over and sit beside them for the last final hours. This is just one of the things, that cannot effectively be enforced in the online environment.
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
AGREED! I believe that if the online pokersites don't continue to work hard at drawing in new players, it'll continue on it's downward slide.
If you were to talk to Mr. John Smith who plays poker a couple times a month with his friends from work, what do you think would draw them into playing poker online?
a) a format where none of the players have software that benefits them vs. other players. Where no players have an advantage over others before they've been dealt the cards.
b) they're told it's a 'volume game' and it is necessary
Do you think John Smith is thinking that poker is a volume game? Or how about myself while growing up at home we played poker on the weekends with family & friends. It had NOTHING to do with 'volume'. Suggesting that poker is a 'volume' game is 100% incorrect in my opinion and it certainly isn't going to draw in any new players (or keep the bad ones there)... and without them pretty soon you won't have any games to play.
Get rid of the fk'n HUDs.... should've been done right from the start imo.
iwont20
Legend
Loyaler
I don't think that's a good idea:
-winning players will still be winning, but playing a lot less; players who have been losing will keep on losing
- how many new players who have been suspicious of online poker in general gonna register just because it will be said that HUDs are banned now on Party (again where it's gonna be said) is an open question.
I think it will lower the traffic significantly and will result of them either allowing HUDs back or making some changes to this ban (for instance, later they may make it possible to save history of hands to computer, not to some "my game" App they invented).
So in other words, I'm very skeptical that this change will prove to be a positive one long term.
-winning players will still be winning, but playing a lot less; players who have been losing will keep on losing
- how many new players who have been suspicious of online poker in general gonna register just because it will be said that HUDs are banned now on Party (again where it's gonna be said
) is an open question. I think it will lower the traffic significantly and will result of them either allowing HUDs back or making some changes to this ban (for instance, later they may make it possible to save history of hands to computer, not to some "my game" App they invented).
So in other words, I'm very skeptical that this change will prove to be a positive one long term.
bianconi_10
Rock Star
Silver Level
I ve allready think like you, but the players now its just like PS players, so,I dont know anymore
bianconi_10
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't think that's a good idea:
-winning players will still be winning, but playing a lot less; players who have been losing will keep on losing
- how many new players who have been suspicious of online poker in general gonna register just because it will be said that HUDs are banned now on Party (again where it's gonna be said
I think it will lower the traffic significantly and will result of them either allowing HUDs back or making some changes to this ban (for instance, later they may make it possible to save history of hands to computer, not to some "my game" app they invented).
So in other words, I'm very skeptical that this change will prove to be a positive one long term.
There's inteligent life here, the best comment!!!
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Jai_R
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I don't mind it, if people needs help then maybe they should incorporate beginner gamer levels where that is included, but as you rank up you cannot use it. I don't mind it either way, but if it is a skilled game then the players should be even and let skill do the work.
NWPatriot
Rock Star
Silver Level
If PP is battling successfully against BOTS, which i think we all support, then it just feels to me like this is the next logical step. Software that gives any player an advantage over another player, should be banned.
I get that one of the cited reasons that players like HUD's is so they can play more games without actually paying attention to the game they are playing (this came out worse than i expected, so I apologize). But as rational as this sounds, it is still just an excuse to gain an advantage over someone else by using a program.
Keep the game between humans and let these humans learn as much as they can about the game and find as many shortcuts as they might to try and remember everything they know and how to apply it during the 15 seconds we have to make a move. This is the essence of online poker. But, I am well aware that the world is not fair.
I get that one of the cited reasons that players like HUD's is so they can play more games without actually paying attention to the game they are playing (this came out worse than i expected, so I apologize). But as rational as this sounds, it is still just an excuse to gain an advantage over someone else by using a program.
Keep the game between humans and let these humans learn as much as they can about the game and find as many shortcuts as they might to try and remember everything they know and how to apply it during the 15 seconds we have to make a move. This is the essence of online poker. But, I am well aware that the world is not fair.
PHX
Legend
Loyaler
If you think about it really for a minute party poker will never ban HUD. They will go out of business if they do.
All the top pros and serious players that keep the Poker economy alive with their money will leave. Things will down spiral with out these players moneys the prizepools will drop, drop in prizepools will attract less and less players to play and so on.
I am sure no one above considered this but the only 100% way to get rid of HUDs will be to remove hand histories. I for one will not feel safe playing on a site if I cannot replay hands I have played in. It will be easier to feel cheated in a hands as sometimes the client freezes or your network drop or you loose focus on your table for just a second and you miss what hand you loose to.
All the top pros and serious players that keep the Poker economy alive with their money will leave. Things will down spiral with out these players moneys the prizepools will drop, drop in prizepools will attract less and less players to play and so on.
I am sure no one above considered this but the only 100% way to get rid of HUDs will be to remove hand histories. I for one will not feel safe playing on a site if I cannot replay hands I have played in. It will be easier to feel cheated in a hands as sometimes the client freezes or your network drop or you loose focus on your table for just a second and you miss what hand you loose to.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Yeah but they are gonna get rid of downloading HHs as well. Which sucks balls.
I'm never gonna play a cash game hand on party ever again. But I'm interested in how this'll reform the tournies.
Many regs on 2+2 are so against this & saying they are gonna withdaw their rolls.
Also Rob Young has said that almost all the changes are his own ideas
Tenek26
Rock Star
Silver Level
And what benefits are you talking about? Reading this forum, I noticed a lot of people who do not know what the Hud is. Many people overestimate the purpose of this program, it is just a tool for more tables to be loaded. I do not understand where so much discontent. However, if the poker room wants to lose profit, it is his right.
Inequitas
Legend
Silver Level
You're right that some of the forum members don't even know what a HUD is lol but there were plenty of people in the wild west that had never seen an automobile lol
The problem is, HUD's are used by the online players that are making Poker Popular via their Streaming, pod casts, YouTube videos, blog,logs the list goes on, I may be old and enjoy the classic way poker has been played for the last 50years but it won't continue to stay thus way for another 10 let alone 50 years... Lol
Move with the times because every poker platform Will eventually incorporate their very own HUD's.... Restricting 3rd party software is more about fighting off the wolves.... People who have poor stats at the moment can be tracked and followed right to the table they're playing at... So if you make it on to a "Donk" list you are hounded by these "wolves" every time.you log on....
I made it on to one of those lists, every time I went to Party Poker at one point 1-3 same individuals would sit at that table within 15mins of me being there... And eachtime every one else would leave the table, leaving me to the wolves lol that is what the 3rd party software is of most danger... Alias change will protect the lambs after the tracking software is crippled...
HUD's have over the last 10years become a must have addition to all gamers... And streamers promote their use... HUDs will be included in client side software in the future and it will be free for all to use so there will be no argument that there are some haves and some have nots
Tenek26
Rock Star
Silver Level
Not that I want to seem smart, but - this world is arranged like this, wolves always eat lambs. In addition, the partypoker has long ago banned the pursuit of lambs, making the tables anonymous, which makes life difficult for wolves. You say that poker rooms will present their own software, I’m happy to hear that, but until that happens, I’ll have to lose my profits, since I’ll have to play fewer tables, and these are always problems with dispersion.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
This is a pretty dumb argument.
There are generally 2 kinds of poker players. Players who play for Fun & players who take the game seriously & win money.
If you are playing for fun then you shouldn't care that much about money & just enjoy the game nor the players you play against.
If you play seriously, then you should be constantly studying, improving your self, finding better games etc to improve your win rates.
If you hate playing with better players than yourself & losing money, then get better ffs! or just find better games
And then when it comes to the room, the room generates money through rake & the regs generate the most rake. So what the room should do really isn't discouraging the regs to play but to encourage them & also encouraging the fun players to play & balance out things
set4d
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I've tried a couple of HUDs (in fact, thinking about it, three). They're kinda useful but at the same time a bit of a distraction for me.
The ban on HUDs on PP, for me, is a welcome thing. It'll level the playing field. I think I became overly reliant on them for all sorts of reasons. Nice graphs showing your profit/loss etc are all well and good. I can only play one, maybe two, tables at a time anyway and have a respect for those who have multiple tables open at any one time. However, relying on a traffic light system to tell you what to do rather than using your own skill and judgement leaves me cold nowadays.
A lot of people are going to get their profits hit big time by this ban. I'm hoping it'll result in a return to a more natural style of poker playing.
Just as a parting shot, to avoid using HUDs I tend to play a lot on my phone. No HUDs there, just pure poker play. I'm only a recreational player though so what do I know about it.
The ban on HUDs on PP, for me, is a welcome thing. It'll level the playing field. I think I became overly reliant on them for all sorts of reasons. Nice graphs showing your profit/loss etc are all well and good. I can only play one, maybe two, tables at a time anyway and have a respect for those who have multiple tables open at any one time. However, relying on a traffic light system to tell you what to do rather than using your own skill and judgement leaves me cold nowadays.
A lot of people are going to get their profits hit big time by this ban. I'm hoping it'll result in a return to a more natural style of poker playing.
Just as a parting shot, to avoid using HUDs I tend to play a lot on my phone. No HUDs there, just pure poker play. I'm only a recreational player though so what do I know about it.