Poof
Made in the USA
Silver Level
Ya, I have seen that, that is when the fun really begins, lol
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Makwa
Undesirable Predator
Silver Level
Eulogy For OP...
Mods can we change thread title again?
YouTube- Bobby Fuller 4 on Hollywood a Go Go
Mods can we change thread title again?
YouTube- Bobby Fuller 4 on Hollywood a Go Go
Grossberger
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I really doubt that Full Tilt closed his account because of your above example. There was probably more something along the lines of flopping the nuts no betting occurs, that is more likely what they found. Yes if I flop the nuts I may check to induce a bet but once the river comes out and I'm last to act I'm firing, if he checked then that is seen as softplay.
Yes this is cheating and should of been brought to the attention of the floor, and any hand these 2 were involved in I would have asked every time to see the hand when I could.
Grossberger
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
In case some of you don't know the definition of certain things here ya go
Chip Dumping - The intentional losing of chips to a friend or partner.
Chip dumping is a type of cheating that occurs most often in tournaments. It happens when a player with a lot of chips intentionally loses them to a friend or partner with relatively few chips. Usually, the dumper has some kind of vested interest in the dumpee. The idea behind chip dumping is that two players with healthy stacks can make more money in the long run than a big stack and a small stack.
Tournament chip dumping is just one of many ways that players who team up can gain an advantage over players who do not. Even if it is only done to help a friend survive in a tournament, it is highly unethical, and in violation of TDA rule #33 regarding ethical play. If caught, both players involved may be disqualified from the tournament. However, it is very difficult to prove chip dumping, because the dumper is usually mucking his hand unexposed before the showdown.
Chip dumping occurs in a different way when playing online poker, but it is rare. Sometimes online players dump chips when they are trying to avoid being caught doing something else. An example of this is credit card fraud: A player steals a credit card, makes a deposit on one account, then intentionally loses (dumps chips) to their real account.
Collusion - A cheating conspiracy between two or more players.
When two or more people engage in coordinated cheating in a poker game, it is called collusion. Collusion takes many forms, and it runs the gamut from relatively benign to malignant. For example, a milder form of collusion occurs when two players agree to “check it down.” This means that both players agree that neither will place any bets for the remainder of the hand, and at the end of the hand they will simply turn their hands up to see who wins. Sounds harmless, right? Actually, this is a form of collusion and is technically considered cheating. Here is why.
Consider a situation where player “A” and player “B” are friends, and they have a standing agreement to check it down whenever they are heads up. This agreement can affect the way the action transpires to the detriment of the other players in the game. For example, imagine that player “A” and player “B” take a flop with a third player, player “C.” If player “A” bets, player “B” knows that if player “C” mucks his hand, player “A” will subsequently check for the remainder of the hand. This provides an incentive for player “B” to raise, even with a lousy hand, in order to eliminate player “C.” So you can see that the latent agreement between players “A” and “B” can harm player “C.” This is a textbook example of collusion. Even if the collusion is so mild that it has no discernable impact on the game, it is harmful because it puts the integrity of the game in question, which in itself has a negative impact. Additionally, there may be consequences to collusion that are hidden or not immediately apparent.
More malignant types of collusion include the formation of “teams.” These teams consist of two or more players who act in the interest of the team as a whole rather than in a self-interested manner. Often, these teams will use secret signals to covertly communicate and coordinate their actions with other team members. They will share information such as betting instructions, and hand content. The damage that this type of collusion can cause is more obvious that of milder forms. In between these extremes, collusion can take many forms, but they all have one thing in common: players cooperating when it is not allowed. This is why the rule which states “one player to a hand” is a constant in the poker world.
A partner in cheating is called an "agent". It is difficult to cheat by yourself in a poker game, because it must involve manipulating cards or chips. It is much easier for two or more people to cheat, because they now have a third option of manipulating the action. This type of cheating is easier to pull off, and harder to detect, because one or more of the cheaters is usually betting or raising, and then mucking their hand unseen. This creates an incentive for cheaters to form a team. Anyone on the team of a cheater, actively helping him to cheat, is called an agent.
An agent is usually another player in the game, but could also be a mechanic (a dealer skilled at manipulating the deck), or a floorman (by way of an intentionally incorrect ruling). Most commonly, a cheater will covertly signal the agent that he has strong hand. The agent will bet to generate action from the other players. The cheater will reraise the agent, building the team a large pot. The agent will be sure to muck his hand before the showdown. Since the content of the agent’s hand is not exposed, it is very difficult to determine that cheating has occurred simply because one player raised the pot and then subsequently mucked his hand.
Soft Play - Soft playing occurs when a player strongly suspects that they have the best hand, but does not bet because they are up against a friend. This is also illegal, but the consequences are often less severe than those for chip dumping.
Chip Dumping - The intentional losing of chips to a friend or partner.
Chip dumping is a type of cheating that occurs most often in tournaments. It happens when a player with a lot of chips intentionally loses them to a friend or partner with relatively few chips. Usually, the dumper has some kind of vested interest in the dumpee. The idea behind chip dumping is that two players with healthy stacks can make more money in the long run than a big stack and a small stack.
Tournament chip dumping is just one of many ways that players who team up can gain an advantage over players who do not. Even if it is only done to help a friend survive in a tournament, it is highly unethical, and in violation of TDA rule #33 regarding ethical play. If caught, both players involved may be disqualified from the tournament. However, it is very difficult to prove chip dumping, because the dumper is usually mucking his hand unexposed before the showdown.
Chip dumping occurs in a different way when playing online poker, but it is rare. Sometimes online players dump chips when they are trying to avoid being caught doing something else. An example of this is credit card fraud: A player steals a credit card, makes a deposit on one account, then intentionally loses (dumps chips) to their real account.
Collusion - A cheating conspiracy between two or more players.
When two or more people engage in coordinated cheating in a poker game, it is called collusion. Collusion takes many forms, and it runs the gamut from relatively benign to malignant. For example, a milder form of collusion occurs when two players agree to “check it down.” This means that both players agree that neither will place any bets for the remainder of the hand, and at the end of the hand they will simply turn their hands up to see who wins. Sounds harmless, right? Actually, this is a form of collusion and is technically considered cheating. Here is why.
Consider a situation where player “A” and player “B” are friends, and they have a standing agreement to check it down whenever they are heads up. This agreement can affect the way the action transpires to the detriment of the other players in the game. For example, imagine that player “A” and player “B” take a flop with a third player, player “C.” If player “A” bets, player “B” knows that if player “C” mucks his hand, player “A” will subsequently check for the remainder of the hand. This provides an incentive for player “B” to raise, even with a lousy hand, in order to eliminate player “C.” So you can see that the latent agreement between players “A” and “B” can harm player “C.” This is a textbook example of collusion. Even if the collusion is so mild that it has no discernable impact on the game, it is harmful because it puts the integrity of the game in question, which in itself has a negative impact. Additionally, there may be consequences to collusion that are hidden or not immediately apparent.
More malignant types of collusion include the formation of “teams.” These teams consist of two or more players who act in the interest of the team as a whole rather than in a self-interested manner. Often, these teams will use secret signals to covertly communicate and coordinate their actions with other team members. They will share information such as betting instructions, and hand content. The damage that this type of collusion can cause is more obvious that of milder forms. In between these extremes, collusion can take many forms, but they all have one thing in common: players cooperating when it is not allowed. This is why the rule which states “one player to a hand” is a constant in the poker world.
A partner in cheating is called an "agent". It is difficult to cheat by yourself in a poker game, because it must involve manipulating cards or chips. It is much easier for two or more people to cheat, because they now have a third option of manipulating the action. This type of cheating is easier to pull off, and harder to detect, because one or more of the cheaters is usually betting or raising, and then mucking their hand unseen. This creates an incentive for cheaters to form a team. Anyone on the team of a cheater, actively helping him to cheat, is called an agent.
An agent is usually another player in the game, but could also be a mechanic (a dealer skilled at manipulating the deck), or a floorman (by way of an intentionally incorrect ruling). Most commonly, a cheater will covertly signal the agent that he has strong hand. The agent will bet to generate action from the other players. The cheater will reraise the agent, building the team a large pot. The agent will be sure to muck his hand before the showdown. Since the content of the agent’s hand is not exposed, it is very difficult to determine that cheating has occurred simply because one player raised the pot and then subsequently mucked his hand.
Soft Play - Soft playing occurs when a player strongly suspects that they have the best hand, but does not bet because they are up against a friend. This is also illegal, but the consequences are often less severe than those for chip dumping.
onebourbon
Legend
Platinum Level
I think we've pretty much covered every angle possible - game over.
tpb221
Chasing Gutshots
Silver Level
Funny-this is what FT is saying you did-steal. Yes, what you did was stealing.
Another thing, would it have been ok if they 'warned you' then 'stole your money'?
Why do you need a warning? If I go to the store and steal something, does this mean they can't throw me in jail because they didn't warn me first?
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ateamcrew
Rising Star
Bronze Level
This is why I have the problem. Most of you dont play real poker only online so u can hide your faces. But for players like xavier and I we have seen soft playing allowed at casinos all the time and in this way it is not considered to have gained an advantage. All my sit and go wins were at big games by myself when I was tilting. Search my stats in 5 and 10 dollar games they are horrible. If I was warned that I was breaking the rules like everyone else I have talked to....I would have immediately stopped because I hate cheaters just as much as you but I was not doing it to gain an advantage. **** IT ILL GIVE THEM MY 900 OR WHATEVER IT WAS ITS NOT THAT IMPORTANT TO ME. THATS PUNISHMENT ENOUGH...BUT DONT BAN MY ACCOUNT BECAUSE I UNKNOWINGLY SOFT PLAYED AND LOST MONEY DOING IT.
BTW MY NAME ATEAMCREW IS THE NAME OF MY FISHING BOAT AND I COMPETE IN TOURNAMENTS. We are a boat crew so stfu about having some kind of poker team. Even full tilt admitted i only "colluded" with one person.
BTW MY NAME ATEAMCREW IS THE NAME OF MY FISHING BOAT AND I COMPETE IN TOURNAMENTS. We are a boat crew so stfu about having some kind of poker team. Even full tilt admitted i only "colluded" with one person.
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ateamcrew
Rising Star
Bronze Level
You can tell that some of these posts are from complete retards. Totally uneducated people. They should have warned me and if I did it again then absolutely steal my funds. Even if they suspended my account for a month for my first offense like they did with pro Brian Townshend Id be fine with it.
onebourbon
Legend
Platinum Level
LMAO....thanks for the entertainment..FYI - I've been palying the casinos, underground...back barn tournies/cash games for well over 20 years. I've been banned from every casino in canada for card counting blackjack. That was 10 years ago - we fixed that now....lol
Soooooooooooooooo...have fun and quit cheating! LOL (before back alley stuff happens - like it did to me)
Snowmobiler
Legend
Silver Level
Don't be so hard on yourself OP
You cheat,get caught=perma ban and lost funds.Standard Sir
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