Do you believe online poker is not random?

[Uranus]

If you are interested, I`ve done a statistics myself on pokerstars and 888.
It has begun on 2018, and I continue to keep it.

The statistics refers to hands where 2 players (only) goes allin preflop, both with Ax vs Ay.

Ax vs Ay means that both have an Ace, and diferent random second cards, where X is always bigger than Y.

It doesnt matter if they are suited or not.

For example, hand like:

vs ,
or vs
or vs , etc.

It could be a hand that I played, or any 2 players from tournament tables that I see going allin preflop with such type of hand.

I made the statistics in Excell, and I will give you some print screens with the beginning of the table, and the last hands, after almost 5 years of data.

here is where it starts:



and here is what it looks like today:




So, the left 2 columns are for Pokerstars, and the right side is for 888.
With green I counted the hands where Ax won, and with red I counted the hands where Ay won.

The boxes coloured with yellow (or orange) are the times when the pot was equally splitted. Splitted pot hand are not counted separately, I just coloured them, but they are probably... I dont know, 3-5% from the total.

From time to time, I had to copy and paste the results lower on 888 columns, because I played more tournaments on pokerstars and so of course I have more hands counted on pokerstars, so I wanted to ballance the lenght of the columns.

I made that statistic just because it was a time when I had a long downswing, and I really thought that the card are not random on Pokerstars or 888.

If such a thought is getting your mind, your game will be totally screwed, because if you are convinced that the game is not random, you will not be able to play well anymore even if the game will be truely random.

So, when I saw that on Pokerstars and 888 the reality comes very close to natural mathematic probabilities, my game was very quick improved.
As long as I keep this statistic, I am not to mad anymore if I lose with a better hand, because I know that on the long term, a better play will be rewarded.

That had been said for Pokerstars and 888.

I mostly play Omaha on these both sites, but Holdem too, and I chose to made the statistic for Holdem because it is more simple, 2 card vs another 2 cards.

Omaha game (I mean RNG for Omaha) on Pokerstars and 888 looks very alike to me, I play on these sites for many years, daily.

But now when it comes to GG Poker, I can say that I have never saw a bigger bullshit RNG for Omaha tournaments. I can not see how such a scam card generator can be random.

I really hope that I`m wrong again, but I play Omaha on GG from January, almost daily, and the generator its totally different from Pokerstars and 888.

From my experience until now on GG, it is not a place where skill or good play will be rewarded on the long term. I do not think that the software is programmed to favour anyone in particular, but is programmed to improve the chances for bad hands, for bad cards.

I really hope I`m wrong, but I`m affraid that Omaha tournament games on GGpoker is the biggest bullshit scam I have seen.
I would really like to see some Omaha players on GG poker who play many tournaments from years, to tell me that I am wrong, because I like the site, and I had many hopes that It will be a good place to play.

 

[puzzlefish]

If you are interested, I`ve done a statistics myself on Pokerstars and 888.
It has begun on 2018, and I continue to keep it.

The statistics refers to hands where 2 players (only) goes allin preflop, both with Ax vs Ay.

Ax vs Ay means that both have an Ace, and diferent random second cards, where X is always bigger than Y.

It doesnt matter if they are suited or not.

For example, hand like:

vs ,
or vs
or vs , etc.

It could be a hand that I played, or any 2 players from tournament tables that I see going allin preflop with such type of hand.

I made the statistics in Excell, and I will give you some print screens with the beginning of the table, and the last hands, after almost 5 years of data.

here is where it starts:
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and here is what it looks like today:

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So, the left 2 columns are for Pokerstars, and the right side is for 888.
With green I counted the hands where Ax won, and with red I counted the hands where Ay won.

The boxes coloured with yellow (or orange) are the times when the pot was equally splitted. Splitted pot hand are not counted separately, I just coloured them, but they are probably... I dont know, 3-5% from the total.

From time to time, I had to copy and paste the results lower on 888 columns, because I played more tournaments on pokerstars and so of course I have more hands counted on pokerstars, so I wanted to ballance the lenght of the columns.

I made that statistic just because it was a time when I had a long downswing, and I really thought that the card are not random on Pokerstars or 888.

If such a thought is getting your mind, your game will be totally screwed, because if you are convinced that the game is not random, you will not be able to play well anymore even if the game will be truely random.

So, when I saw that on Pokerstars and 888 the reality comes very close to natural mathematic probabilities, my game was very quick improved.
As long as I keep this statistic, I am not to mad anymore if I lose with a better hand, because I know that on the long term, a better play will be rewarded.

That had been said for Pokerstars and 888.

I mostly play Omaha on these both sites, but Holdem too, and I chose to made the statistic for Holdem because it is more simple, 2 card vs another 2 cards.

Omaha game (I mean RNG for Omaha) on Pokerstars and 888 looks very alike to me, I play on these sites for many years, daily.

But now when it comes to GG Poker, I can say that I have never saw a bigger bullshit RNG for Omaha tournaments. I can not see how such a scam card generator can be random.

I really hope that I`m wrong again, but I play Omaha on GG from January, almost daily, and the generator its totally different from Pokerstars and 888.

From my experience until now on GG, it is not a place where skill or good play will be rewarded on the long term. I do not think that the software is programmed to favour anyone in particular, but is programmed to improve the chances for bad hands, for bad cards.

I really hope I`m wrong, but I`m affraid that Omaha tournament games on GGpoker is the biggest bullshit scam I have seen.
I would really like to see some Omaha players on GG poker who play many tournaments from years, to tell me that I am wrong, because I like the site, and I had many hopes that It will be a good place to play.

Ok, great 👍

Now try this little known trick: filter those to only include the instances where the player holding the AK, A5, or AJ had also won the previous hand right before getting those cards.

 

[Uranus]

I dont know what you mean, but I didnt noted the cards itselves. Or the players.

Bigger hand won - I noted the green number, smaller hand won - I noted the red number.

Split pot - I counted both hands as "won", and I coloured the cell.

There is nothing to filter. That Excell table was made while I was playing, I even missed some good hands just because I was focused to write in the table.

 

[puzzlefish]

I dont know what you mean, but I didnt noted the cards itselves. Or the players.

Bigger hand won - I noted the green number, smaller hand won - I noted the red number.

Split pot - I counted both hands as "won", and I coloured the cell.

There is nothing to filter. That Excell table was made while I was playing, I even missed some good hands just because I was focused to write in the table.

Ok, I understand now how you tracked these stats, so you cannot filter anything.

 

[oleg8519]

if you analyze your hands played, you can say in some cases you can see a skew, but when you watch other players and they have a conflict that you can't resolve, you understand that this is RNG or variance

 

[sumdumguy]

A word of advice from me, if you analyze the hand played well and that considering what you should win, remember that you also won with possibly marginal hands in other tournaments or tables.
Betting on online poker rooms has a peculiarity: positions, stacks, jackpots, so if you study their equity well you can win or rank in winning positions. The tracking software helps, I don't like it because I feel like I don't play or think, but that's a matter for each player.

I hope you have luck at tables, I too have had a lot of bad streaks.

 

[AKQ]

Fascinating read
I may write a thread about my experiences with ACR RNG and further ways to exploit the rigged flop flush draw RNG to our favor on the cash tables, using max fold equity coupled with the play it safe feature.

But man.....nice numbers .. im just gonna point finger's lol

 

[Mauricio Perrotta]

For me it's totally random up to a certain point in the contest, then no, the program eliminates you by default

 

[Putin545]

I agree with the author when I have two pairs 9 and J, and my opponent under Turne has a KK pair and he goes to Olin, then River has the second pair 22 and I lose.

 

[Rmi]

The game of poker is a game with long-term profits, with study and making the right moves you win more than you lose.

 

[nelomec]

Hello. I am concerned. It appears that ACR has an algorithm that eliminates players that bet against a larger bank. Especially toward breaks and toward the end of the MTT (final table). Does anyone feel the same?

i feel the same way sometimes, but it dificullt to prove this.

 

[steve01991]

i do beleive this to be true, so i stay away from going against larger stacks near the end of a session.

 

[Igor Popadyk]

I think that there are still algorithms, for more profitable players the result is still tweaked, although for top rooms it is still not profitable, but the security service should be at the same level

 

[puzzlefish]

After careful consideration of everything and from personal experiences with poker and casino games, I no longer think that online poker is rigged or in any way intentionally made to be non-random. Instead, I now believe that we all exist in a computer generated simulation that cannot adequately reproduce randomness (or just intentionally manipulates individual exposures to variance at different times, for unknown reasons).