Do you believe online poker is not random?

[tomk7788]

Nothing is random, just got beat by a 1 outer on the river so I came here to whine... lol

 

[Chebchoub]

Hello. I am concerned. It appears that ACR has an algorithm that eliminates players that bet against a larger bank. Especially toward breaks and toward the end of the MTT (final table). Does anyone feel the same?

Hi
Even if it's not as random as live poker, you just have to apply poker skills and strategies, deal with what you have in your hand and read the opponents at the table.

 

[wavetune]

I am concerned. It appears that ACR has an algorithm that eliminates players that bet against a larger bank. Especially toward breaks and toward the end of the MTT (final table). Does anyone feel the same?

Yes, of course it is. The main reason is that it is not profitable for the poker room to have many players sitting in one tournament, it is more profitable for them if the player leaves faster, makes a deposit and starts playing in another tournament. This is clear as day, if you take the statistics of the hands- a large stack against a small one, I'm sure the bias will be towards a large stack

 

[heguli82]

And if you do bets and play poker same time same site, be carefull with or straight fold that premium hand, what you get dealted right after your bettings move positive directions for you. So if bet goes correct, usually you are out tournament after cooler.

 

[SteveAsh7]

I 100% do not think it is random. It is a discussion that will always divide but the odds of some things that happen are just close to a million to 1 sometimes.

 

[WrongUsername]

no i don´t believe at all the runouts i take is unreal looks generated to screw me LOL

 

[888NOX888]

I don't know if it's rigged or not. There are many opinions on this and you can argue for a long time. By myself, I can say that for many months I have not been able to sit down at the final table, although it used to happen much more often, nothing has changed much in the game, but the number of bad beat has increased.

 

[ejsch]

Hello. I am concerned. It appears that ACR has an algorithm that eliminates players that bet against a larger bank. Especially toward breaks and toward the end of the MTT (final table). Does anyone feel the same?

I can tell you this one time I was playing in tourny in a site that no longer exist and all of a sudden they started to tell when to bet and when to fold. iy lasted about 5 min. then all went blank and came back normal.

 

[messats]

this has been hypothesized for sometime now, no one will really know for sure, but i doe believe that there is an algorithm to this, thus certain player gets eliminated with certain hands at certain intervals

 

[zaxxorr]

no

 

[greenlarrow]

No, online poker is random, I don't believe in it.

 

[ratbat615]

The "big stack conspiracy theory" has existed forever, and some people feel this way about every single online site, which has existed. Its largely fueled by confirmation bias. As humans we tend to remember bad outcomes more than good ones, and since its per definition always someone with a bigger stack, that busts us from a tournament, its not difficult to see, where this idea is coming from.

In top of that big stacks are supposed to play more lose near the bubble and on the final table, so statistically speaking we are more likely to be all-in against a big stack. And they are more likely to hold a relatively marginal hand, which they can "suck out" on us with, because thats basically just them playing good poker.

If for instance we are in big blind with a 12BB stack on the final table, and it folds around to small blind with a 45BB stack, its totally reasonable for him to move all in preflop with any two cards to apply ICM pressure to us, especially if there are other even shorter stacks at the table, which we need to try to outlast. And when we eventually do call him with AK, his 72 has 32% equity. So one in three times his junk hand will bust us from the tournament, and this is when, the tilt and conspiracy theory is fueled.

The solution is to learn the equities and truly understand and accept, that AK is supposed to lose to 72 one in three times. So when it happens, its not a sign of the poker site being rigged. Thats like saying, that if you roll a dice, and it comes 1 or 2, then the dice is rigged. A completely ridiculous statement, that noone in their right mind would make.

The next step is to learn tournament strategy including push-fold, so that you know, which hands you are supposed to call or jam with short stacks, and so that you better understand final table and bubble dynamics. Often the underlying issue is, that people play to tight and passive, and therefore they often end up as the short stack being "bullied", while they wait for their AK or their big pocket pair to finally make a stand.

And this is basically not, how you win poker tournaments or even achieve a high ROI. What you want to do, is to adopt an aggressive and sometimes fairly loose play style, so that more often you are the big stack, who can push other people around. And so that you can afford to sometimes lose one of those unavoidable coin flips. More on confirmation bias in the video below.

Thank you for your comment and video it really help me to be more positive at the poker tables.Do you remember the full tilt scandal.so anything is possible.anyway life is about risk we have to trust that the poker sites do the right thing.

 

[TeUnit]

Poker is still not rigged. The same players usually have good results across different sites.

 

[Jayinem]

Watch magic612 on youtube his videos are old about pokerstars but you should have no doubt that site was rigged and in reality they're all rigged.

 

[jonaselloco]

A similar question I answered to one of our colleagues who had posted.
I really tell you, my feeling was the same until I started watching the MTTs live.
If you see them from start to finish you will realize that the situations in a live MTT are practically the same as those seen in an online MTT.
More or less 20 days ago I won an MTT that in the final stage I was in position 30 out of 32 participants.
It could almost be said that it was impossible for me to win the MTT, however I won it.
I think it's just chance, without a doubt the series of algorithms that a system has can benefit or harm you, like the cards that come out in a showdown on live tables.
One day in an interview with Daniel Negreanu, he explained to an amateur player who asked him why he always had to raise with KK or AA, and Daniel explained something very simple: "If you have AA or KK in UTG, it would be ideal. only pay, if one knew that in the showdown the set or even poker would come out, but that is not the reality says Daniel The reality is that if one makes a call and the following players all make a call, there are 9 players who Seeing a flop they have the same chances to win the pot than you, which is why it is considered that with that hand the ideal thing at the table is to have a heads-up against the villain.
The law of possibilities both online and live always exists, that must also be taken into account.
And I say this because many times I have played badly and I have wanted to blame the system that wanted to leave me out of the MTT, but upon reflection I realized that it was not the system, but that it was me who had not known how to interpret the hand.
To finish, I don't see any sense that a poker site wants to benefit certain clients, in short, some plus others, less all of us will deposit.
Greetings friend. Carlos

 

[Nuts2727]

I've heard this from from a professional online player. He said you can't think of the cards as being completely random, though they are as random as they can be. You have to look at it like this........ Everyone is going to get a random two card hand. Each hand has a certain percentage to win that has to hold true to the actual percentages in live poker. Depending on how everyone plays their hand preflop will determine the how many of those lower percentage hands get to see a flop. So you are never really a huge underdog in any given hand. Even when your dominated 25%/75%, you'll still win the hand 1 out of 4 attempts. To sum up, I would say online poker is based more on percentages than randomness. Though the percentages should equal exactly what they would in live play, theoretically making it exactly the same.

 

[Gallarado777]

of course, poker is not random if this were not the case, the game would go indefinitely, so if the game is long you have a small pot you will crash)

 

[Peteski84]

I believe it is random. What would be the point in putting your business at risk when it clearly make money without that need.
The compensation that would have to be paid out if it came to light that they had been cheating. I dont think it would be worth it.

 

[PauPau]

They say it is random but in several occasion 2 tables having same 2 hole cards and even 1 card of same suit. I not sure what is the probability of it.

 

[bedolaga]

Of course, poker is not an accident. As the great poker players say, poker is 25% luck and 75% skill.

 

[ToNy70929]

For some reason, no one thinks about why a poker room needs to create algorithms. What does the site benefit from this.

Why is no one thinking about this? I have repeatedly noticed such moments, and one of the reasons for the loss of algorithms, for example, may be to move the game to the final faster, otherwise the game can be endless, which is not particularly beneficial for the poker room. And then, don't programmers create the same probability algorithms that are used in casinos, where they can tweak the chances of a loss. Wherever big money is spinning, there are nuances that can encourage fraud. It is not necessary to exclude so categorically that there can be no facts of fraud. I understand you that we in the poker community should honor and cherish the game of poker itself, but you can’t be complacent and say that this cannot be, that everything is good everywhere. This is not a real poker tournament somewhere in Las Vegas, where you see the deal of the croupier, but this is a "Random Number Generator" program and it can always be tweaked in the right direction

 

[f_lampa]

I felt the opposite

 

[mssmotilda]

For some reason, no one thinks about why a poker room needs to create algorithms. What does the site benefit from this.

I agree, I think that they definitely do not need algorithms for knocking players out of tournaments. It doesn't bring money.

 

[ENRIQUE23977]

How do you explain that I played against a Big Stack in a tournament this week and I couldn't beat him with hands of approximately 7. They were all linked by the villain, that's what makes us suspicious, because the big stack almost always wins with worse cards. That happens very often.

I've stopped playing KO tournaments because of that, the players with the worst cards win.

 

[Pokerpoet2]

Hello. I am concerned. It appears that ACR has an algorithm that eliminates players that bet against a larger bank. Especially toward breaks and toward the end of the MTT (final table). Does anyone feel the same?

The game naturally has a feature that benefits the Bigger stacks, it's the nature of the Beast! If I had 10X more chips than the rest of the table then I am going to increase my calling and raising range hoping to get one step closer to winning.
In one Tournament I played I had over 90% of the chips, I was heads up against one player and called his all in without even looking at my hand. He turned over A/K suited and I revealed my 6/2 off, The River card came a 2 and I paired winning the hand and Tournament.
Now he started to accuse me of cheating, because no one in his right mind would ever call with such garbage, I tried to explain that no matter what he played I was always calling with any two cards as I had a massive chip lead. that's why I hadn't looked because if I had, I would have probably folded 6/2 and the winning hand. LUCK! Sure it was, but sometimes the Lucky players Win!
This was at a Live event with witnesses! and he just took his 2nd place money, left and never came back.
Poker is a game of Winners and Losers, and if you are a bad Loser, DONT! PLAY! It's that simple.
If you are a player that cannot accept that most players like me are going to call with any 2 cards regardless of how you feel about garbage hands, then change which hands you are willing to shove all-in with. Doyle Brunson won 2 World Series playing 10/2 even against A/K in one of them.
Poker is Fun! Keep it that way and you cannot go wrong!