Cereus poker security alerts

[Pothole]

Seriously the Ultimatebet defense force in these topics are getting tiresome. Go ahead and play there if you must but don't clog the forum with self-serving crap and half-hearted (and often inaccurate) defenses trying to justify your decision.

I have never posted any "self serving crap" on any forum, my decision is just that, my decision. Do you play there? if not don't comment. My last post here if this is the bull shit remarks that follow.

 

[Tonawanda]

Well Said

I am no Ultimatebet "defense force". I just see no reason to treat forum members with disrespect so easily. (especially by unknown new posters even if they ARE "mods at 2+2") I think Ultimatebet is a shambles and don't play there.

I think that sums it up.

 

[Tonawanda]

Complete Idiot(s)?

Anyone still playing on Ultimatebet is, in this writer's opinion, a complete idiot. Well whoop-dee-doo some dude ran up $10 to $40 there - is $30 really the price he's willing to sell himself out and give a fraudulent and incompetent company business for? Really? People who play on Ultimatebet are not only giving scammers and incompetent idiots money, they are encouraging other scammers and idiots to get involved in the online poker business because, hey, if Ultimatebet can survive half a dozen major fraudulent/criminal/incompetent/suspicious 'outings' then why can't they?\ quote]

I played yesterday on Ultimate Bet in a sponsored CC Tournament and so did 25 other CC members!

 

[Tonawanda]

Self Serving Crap

I have never posted any "self serving crap" on any forum, my decision is just that, my decision. Do you play there? if not don't comment. My last post here if this is the bull shit remarks that follow.

Very unfortunate that a fellow CC member is characterized as someone posting self-serving crap for expressing his opinion.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

I played yesterday on Ultimate Bet in a sponsored CC Tournament and so did 25 other CC members!

IMO, it's a disgrace that CC still runs tournaments there. And it's a disgrace that CC members choose to participate in those.

 

[tenbob]

IMO, it's a disgrace that CC still runs tournaments there. And it's a disgrace that CC members choose to participate in those.

I agree.

 

[bhood1776]

How about you backup your bold statements?

I don't really see how this is a bold claim. Do you really think with all the poker rooms out there that none have ever unfairly taken money from users?

 

[kmixer]

While I am certainly grateful for anyone or any company that helps to make online poker safer for all of us I have to agree with what others are saying and question why a table ratings site was trying to hack the security of an online poker site using these methods?

Maybe because I don;t have a lot to lose but I still play at UB because of the CC freerolls and because of the cheap SnGs. If CC pulls out or if FT or PS add sub $1 SnGs I am done with UB for good.

 

[The Dr]

Disprespecting long time posters has nothing to do with this nor does it mean anything. Do you know how many 'respected posters' have been banned and investigated for fraud. Many. Im not saying any of these people are but just because they have a high post count does not mean they are given a free pass of credibility.

UB/AP has been part of more shady things than any site aside from the microgaming scandal. They allowed players to be victim of fraud and employees took part in this. They than tried to solidify themselves afterwards by guarenteeing the highest level of security. Sponsor Annie Duke went on record stating that UB now has the most secure site online. Both were lies. For UB/AP to publicly announce this once again, when it was a blatant lie, is beyond forgivable. How many chances does the network deserve? When players decide to still remain there, they are supporting everything about UB and it shows they could care less about the poker community as long as they cashout at the end of the day.

The worst thing about this is UB stated they knew about it 5 weeks before it was brought out publicly by ptr. You look at Leggetts response to the issue, he tried to play it off like they had no clue. This network is beyond shady.

 

[Debi]

Unfortunately most of you above are correct in saying that we should not be supporting UB at this point. We pulled front page banners, links etc when the first scandal broke but we did continue to have freerolls and money-added buy-ins there for our members who did not want those games to end and who continued to play there.

But as stated above by several people - by doing that we are lending them support.

So - once the games that are currently scheduled play out (through the end of May) we will no longer be having Cardschat sponsored games at UltimateBet.

(I will announce this separately in our Event's forums).

 

[PC69]

Even though I absolutely love CC games I love this decision. Ive hated UB since there first scandal.. I never play there other than CC games and am excstatic that we will no longer support them and there shady practices.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Yeah.. it seems like a good decision. UB has screwed up so many times. Hopefully its playerbase will trickle into the better sites.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Meh, so it looks like I riled a few people with my last post.

Can't be bothered addressing the responses individually - all I will say in my defence is that if my post causes (caused) even just one person currently playing at UB to think "Yeah, you know what he's sort of right, I'm withdrawing from that craphole right now", then I will be content in the knowledge that I've done a little good. Sometimes you have to say nasty things to ultimately be nice to people.

e: given debi's post above i for one can't wait for the imminent announcement of the details of our new deal with realdealpoker! (i guess i should put an "i'm joking" notice here just in case)

 

[PC69]

e: given debi's post above i for one can't wait for the imminent announcement of the details of our new deal with realdealpoker! )

Yeahh.. That's what I'am talking about. A real safe secure site (dude and this site isnt even rigged) Cant wait to play there. I can already see WVHillybilly doing fistpumps over this in his living room. LOL. Hell probably be the first registered lol. arty:

 

[WVHillbilly]

realrigtardpoker will be gone long before we could ever get a FR scheduled there.

 

[swrittenb]

Unfortunately most of you above are correct in saying that we should not be supporting Ultimatebet at this point. We pulled front page banners, links etc when the first scandal broke but we did continue to have freerolls and money-added buy-ins there for our members who did not want those games to end and who continued to play there.

But as stated above by several people - by doing that we are lending them support.

So - once the games that are currently scheduled play out (through the end of May) we will no longer be having Cardschat sponsored games at UltimateBet.

(I will announce this separately in our Event's forums).

Cheers, this is great news!

 

[Poker Orifice]

With so many poker sites out there that are trying to establish a standard for solid security and auditing practices, and the Cereus network doing nothing to validate security leak after security leak, you are doing a disservice to the poker community by playing at Ultimatebet. They cheated players out of millions, they have exploitable holes in their software - what on earth makes you even want to play there in the first place? Hellmuth? Why would you not go to another site with a better reputation?

A number of reasons that I can think of..... first of all being that if you're a micro stakes player & are playing from a secure connection from your house, I don't think you have anything to be concerned about. Another reason being, players on UB are generally weaker than on some of the other sites.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Oh so you're greedy and only care about yourself? How about caring about the poker community in general? Alot of people do have $1000's of dollars on that site, so just because you don't, who cares?

You are the kind of people that give the community a bad name.

WHAT?? Just because he says he plays micros & finds them to be quite profitable on UB & doesn't plan on playing larger buyins for some time.. he's greedy & isn't supporting the poker community??? wtf?

If you've got thousands on there & don't feel comfortable then obviously withdrawl your cash & play elsewhere but I REALLY don't see how this guy gives the poker community a bad name because he's fine with continuing on beating the micros on there.

 

[Debi]

realrigtardpoker will be gone long before we could ever get a FR scheduled there.

even if it lasts 10 years lol

 

[NeverFold]

Ultimate bet and Absolutepoker are my favorite poker sites. I haven't encountered any problem yet except for deposit issues only.
Playing here is good.

 

[swrittenb]

A number of reasons that I can think of..... first of all being that if you're a micro stakes player & are playing from a secure connection from your house, I don't think you have anything to be concerned about. Another reason being, players on Ultimatebet are generally weaker than on some of the other sites.

Sure, I'll definitely concede that micro stakes players probably have very little to worry about with respect to hole cards showing up via the XOR encryption bug. What's next though? It's come out that the PokerTableRatings crew had this information for about five weeks before releasing it (not with the intent to use it maliciously, but to properly document it for release). What else is out there? The problem with the XOR fault wasn't that people could see your hole cards, but rather that they could get your username/password combination, and siphon your entire account. Micro stakes or not, I'd be floored if someone stole my entire roll off the site, just because the site in question didn't take the time to implement an industry standard encryption scheme. AND they claim to have had numerous security audits, proving without a doubt that they're secure. I sure don't trust them to hold any cash of mine. Your mileage may vary.

With respect to the bad name that this may give the poker industry, the more people who are aware of these problems and still choose to play on the site acts as an implicit advertisement for the people who don't follow poker news, and have no idea this is going on. UB isn't putting this information on their main page, and they're not putting it in a popup when you log in. The majority of users won't know, and they'll blissfully keep playing without a care. If you veto the site, it's more likely that these games will dry up, and the softer players will migrate somewhere like Stars where you can pick them up again.

Again, it's not just about someone stealing my micro 2c blind every few hands because they can see my cards. I moved my roll off UB thanks to what I perceived as a repeated demonstration of apathy and incompetence. Of course, everyone can make their own opinion, and if someone really wants to play there even while knowing all the nasty stuff that's gone on, it's a shame, but it's their call.

 

[CasperJames]

Unfortunately most of you above are correct in saying that we should not be supporting Ultimatebet at this point. We pulled front page banners, links etc when the first scandal broke but we did continue to have freerolls and money-added buy-ins there for our members who did not want those games to end and who continued to play there.

But as stated above by several people - by doing that we are lending them support.

So - once the games that are currently scheduled play out (through the end of May) we will no longer be having Cardschat sponsored games at UltimateBet.

(I will announce this separately in our Event's forums).

Excellent decision, in my opinion.

 

[slycbnew]

+1

 

[Pothole]

Unfortunately most of you above are correct in saying that we should not be supporting Ultimatebet at this point. We pulled front page banners, links etc when the first scandal broke but we did continue to have freerolls and money-added buy-ins there for our members who did not want those games to end and who continued to play there.

But as stated above by several people - by doing that we are lending them support.

So - once the games that are currently scheduled play out (through the end of May) we will no longer be having Cardschat sponsored games at UltimateBet.

(I will announce this separately in our Event's forums).

So when is the link banner to sportsbookpoker coming down?

 

[slycbnew]

Pothole, I'm personally not familiar w sportsbookpoker, nor have I seen it cited in scandals. What's the issue?