Bodog Poker blocks scraping sites...saving the fish!

[DetroitJimmy]

And I guess you've never played Bodog because they limit you to 4 tables anyway.

LOL I had no idea. Glad this thread came up before I wasted my time trying to deposit. I'll play where the grown-ups play and have the option to multi-table with HUD.

 

[Double-A]

Meaning, we want them to continue to lose money but wouldn't want to advertise the added tools out there the pros are using to improve their game. It's a weak argument I agree. But I think if you're very good, that's that, you're very good. I just think eliminating these added accessories creates a more transparent playing field in the world of online poker which offers a more trusting source of entertainment for your entertainment seeker. Thus, the sharks can continue to blood suck from the entertainment seeker.

Hmmm... not sure I agree with much of the above... but before I get into that...

My original reply was picking nits over the notion that one could "lose money" while playing for "entertainment value only". Once we are playing for money, we are "playing FOR MONEY". The game may be entertaining, as well, but we aren't playing ONLY for entertainment any more.

 

[F_Jean]

I personally enjoy the general feel of bodog.
Play a couple hands,place a couple bets and enjoy yourself while making a few bucks.
the poker games have that home game feel to them where the object is of course to make money but not many people out there making the rounds in home games earning a living or a second income and i'm for anything that maintains this vibe.

 

[LargePecans]

*sigh*

I'm not going to respond in depth to this very illogical statement here, both because it's been addressed way too many times and also because I'm posting from my phone.

You're new here so you do get a break, but please stop trying to compare live play to online play. Two completely different games, strategies, and approaches to playing them. You can't logically apply arguments for what is appropriate in one to the other. You also can't compare the stakes, styles, and volume of live pros to typical online regs and pros.

ok....sorry to elicit a sigh from you...but i understand your reaction when i read what i wrote....allow me to clarify: I am NOT trying to compare online vs live play....they are fundamentally different; i got that.....
i do not use HUDs and it really doesnt bother me that other people do...however, i believe it will be beneficial for the game to shift the focus of the competition back to who has the better poker skills....and not who has the most advanced software gadgetry at their disposal...but i suppose this is a radical notion....

 

[dmorris68]

ok....sorry to elicit a sigh from you...but i understand your reaction when i read what i wrote....allow me to clarify: I am NOT trying to compare online vs live play....they are fundamentally different; i got that.....
i do not use HUDs and it really doesnt bother me that other people do...however, i believe it will be beneficial for the game to shift the focus of the competition back to who has the better poker skills....and not who has the most advanced software gadgetry at their disposal...but i suppose this is a radical notion....

The problem I had (and continue to have) with your statement is that you're acting as if you don't need skill with tracking software. Without skill, no tracking software in the world will help you, and it takes a considerable amount of skill to use tracking software properly. How do you gain skill? Not just by playing a lot of hands. If you don't study and learn, you don't gain skill (at least not fast enough to compete). Tracking software is a study tool far more so than anything else. Besides that, it's basically an automated note taker. You can take notes in live games. Tracking software doesn't grab anything that isn't already available to you to note.

What frustrates me is the incredible amount of FUD and misinformation out there about tracking software, virtually all of it from people who don't use it and are quite frankly ignorant of it.

 

[Double-A]

What frustrates me is the incredible amount of FUD and misinformation out there about tracking software, virtually all of it from people who don't use it and are quite frankly ignorant of it.

Word.

AND

It further frustrates me that sites would start making changes because of it.

I feel comfortable playing online because, for the most part, it's regulated by the players. Without unlimited access to information about who is doing what (sites and players included) we'll lose that ability.

Sooner or later, I hope to get around to posting some links to articles about
it...

But, I'm lazy as hell and too busy playing on pokerstars.

 

[dmorris68]

I feel comfortable playing online because, for the most part, it's regulated by the players. Without unlimited access to information about who is doing what (sites and players included) we'll lose that ability.

Very good point that I neglected to mention.

Virtually all of the well known scandals and cheating rings in online poker have come to light through player policing (not from the sites). Most notably in recent memory, the AP/UB superuser scandals and the Stoxpoker MA/collusion bust. Reviewing HHs were critical to that process, without which arguably none of those scandals would have seen the light of day or gotten the exposure they did. Granted, some of the HHs used in the investigations were acquired through assistance from datamining sites like PTR, but many were collected from players who had been involved in the affected games. Players who thought they might have been affected were able to go back and research their database and contribute evidence.

 

[KoRnholio]

I like it.. Because I was too cheap to ever buy the hand history converter for Bodog to make my HEM HUD usable anyways

To be honest, given that there was and is a 4 table at a time limit on Bodog, this change won't really have a huge impact either way.

 

[Double-A]

Here's an example of PTR doing good work.

As a side, I'm realizing that I should probably do some more research into exactly what changes Bodog has made before I go freaking out about it...

I fear change.

 

[jaymfc]

I don't see what someone keeping track of everything we play is a problem .
we have someone keeping track of everything we do online period . we have someone keeping track of everything we do IRL . I think we do need people that can have access to every hand ever played at sites for security reasons .
and trackers no problem . those people are working three times as hard as someone who doesn't have it and it don't mean squat by itself . I've thought of getting it but said hell no thats to much work all the time lol .

lets do a tourney , HUD users against non users lol . bet it's not far off of even , cause you not only have to be a HUD user , but good at poker and good using your HUD information in poker . two skills .
I may be wrong but I doubt the majority of HUD users have both skills .

anyway I'm not a HUD user or a multi-tabler so I love my bodog
will say that a site of that caliber should be ashamed of the HH not being available to the players like it is at fulltilt or pokerstars . JMO


thanks for keeping us updated on everything Becky appreciated as always

 

[BodogBecky]

thanks for keeping us updated on everything Becky appreciated as always

It is a pleasure!! I love this forum!

Becky

 

[Poker Orifice]

Thanks for coming onto the site & keeping us posted Becky!

 

[Dank Hugh]

I applaude Bodog, other sites do this


glad to see them doing it

 

[Debi]

And I guess you've never played Bodog because they limit you to 4 tables anyway.

A point I forgot to mention when responding to this - when a tournament grinder is multi-tabling 4-12 tournaments at a time it is rarely if ever all at one site. You probably couldn't even find 4 Bodog tournaments that fit your criteria to play at one time.

So the 4 table minimum does not apply to us when it comes to using a Hud. I would still have many other tables running from PS and FT if I were playing at Bodog.

 

[Makwa]

It is a pleasure!! I love this forum!

Becky

Thanks for coming onto the site & keeping us posted Becky!

Again txs for the info Becky, I was wondering why my PT3 wasnt working... if Bodog continues to disable my tracker, I will move most of my ring traffic elsewhere.

 

[Poof]

A point I forgot to mention when responding to this - when a tournament grinder is multi-tabling 4-12 tournaments at a time it is rarely if ever all at one site. You probably couldn't even find 4 Bodog tournaments that fit your criteria to play at one time.

So the 4 table minimum does not apply to us when it comes to using a Hud. I would still have many other tables running from PS and FT if I were playing at Bodog.

Testosterone ITT.

 

[alaskabill]

Bodog making changes

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/10740-bodog-plans-to-block-data-mining-software

According to the article bodog is taking steps to block datamining. That is fair enough. However they also say that rakeback and huds are hurting the game and they are doing away with that also.

Since most fish don't even know huds exist, how do they hurt the game? If sites can't offer things like rakeback to encourage play, what can they offer?

Its not like a casino where they can comp my room and buy me dinner.

 

[RamdeeBen]

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/10740-bodog-plans-to-block-data-mining-software

According to the article bodog is taking steps to block datamining. That is fair enough. However they also say that rakeback and huds are hurting the game and they are doing away with that also.

Since most fish don't even know huds exist, how do they hurt the game? If sites can't offer things like rakeback to encourage play, what can they offer?

Its not like a casino where they can comp my room and buy me dinner.

In respect to fish not knowing what a HUD is, this is very true. However, of course it hurts the game of poker with people. It isn't exactly fair that one should have a hud and no one else who doesn't have one know they exist It's kind of mis-leading to customers who sign up. I signed up and after a while I wanted to know more about poker and was shocked to basically find all this time players had an advantage over me. It is an unfair advantage too. Just because one doesn't know about a HUD, doesn't make it very fair does it.

As for the rake, well I can kind of understand this, they are a business and need to make money. You say that "if they can't offer rake back to encourage play, then what can they offer?"

Indeed, what can they offer - free services to people playing poker is what you're saying in a sense? People will always play poker as long as it is here, so even with not giving any rake back to customers, there are the casual players out there who will still play.

I think if any poker site bans HUDS this isnt' a bad thing. It's more of a fair thing to do, to be honest as everyone will then be on equal footings and have to use their own brains and memory to to work out what people are doing instead of a programme logging what they are doing. This kind of spoils the fun of poker in my eyes.

At the end of the day a poker website keeps running from the CASUAL players not the grinders who have HUDS and so on. They want to keep the casual players more than a heavy volume users. Of course they like people who are paying lots in rake so high volume players are important.

 

[Double-A]

At the end of the day a poker website keeps running from the CASUAL players not the grinders who have HUDS and so on. They want to keep the casual players more than a heavy volume users. Of course they like people who are paying lots in rake so high volume players are important.

At the end of the day it's rake that keeps a poker room running.

Casual players go broke and quit playing. Or, they keep coming back with outside money and eventually stop being casual players.

Generally, the more "serious" player is going to generate more rake. He plays more tables, he plays higher stakes, he plays more often, he plays longer, and he doesn't go broke as often... so, he keeps playing.

 

[dmorris68]

Generally, the more "serious" player is going to generate more rake. He plays more tables, he plays higher stakes, he plays more often, he plays longer, and he doesn't go broke as often... so, he keeps playing.

This.

Also, I give up on trying to explain why HUDs aren't "unfair." People (who've obviously never used tracking software/HUDs) just can't be convinced of that for some reason. I don't know if they're looking for excuses to justify their losses or what, but they obviously can't accept the fact that the majority of players they run into aren't using a HUD either (it's a very small minority of players) and more importantly, that using a HUD doesn't make you a winner or even a mediocre player.

 

[Double-A]

I think if any poker site bans HUDS this isnt' a bad thing. It's more of a fair thing to do, to be honest as everyone will then be on equal footings and have to use their own brains and memory to to work out what people are doing instead of a programme logging what they are doing. This kind of spoils the fun of poker in my eyes.

I disagree with this, as well. Online poker has evolved. Any site that attempts to "wind back the clock" is just going to be left behind...

Players who use HUDs/software are still using their brains/memory. They can just play more tables more efficiently. Take away their HUD's and they'll just play fewer tables...

IMHO, this won't make them any easier to beat... they'll just be spoiling your fun on fewer tables.

 

[Debi]

I disagree with this, as well. Online poker has evolved. Any site that attempts to "wind back the clock" is just going to be left behind...

Players who use HUDs/software are still using their brains/memory. They can just play more tables more efficiently. Take away their HUD's and they'll just play fewer tables...

IMHO, this won't make them any easier to beat... they'll just be spoiling your fun on fewer tables.

+ a gazillion!

 

[MAX101]

LOL I don't use a hud or a hem when I'm playing live games, and I can honestly say I've won more then I've lost, I've use poker programs before and there not 100% accurate you still need some good old fashion know how, and when I play if I notice someone is multi tabling I do target them I know they tend to play strong hands so I raise there blinds and reraise there calls they fold 90% of the time so much for technology :icon_salu

 

[alaskabill]

LOL I don't use a hud or a hem when I'm playing live games

And I don't use a card protector playing online. They are two different forms of the game. Essentially, (as others have said) a hud is an electronic notebook. You still have to be able to use the information skillfully in order for it to mean anything.

As for a single tabler exploiting a multi tabler, thats a valid point and a trade off multi tablers have to consider. However, that is not relevant to whether or not the technology should be allowed.

Don't be a Luddite.

 

[Debi]

LOL I don't use a hud or a hem when I'm playing live games, and I can honestly say I've won more then I've lost, I've use poker programs before and there not 100% accurate you still need some good old fashion know how, and when I play if I notice someone is multi tabling I do target them I know they tend to play strong hands so I raise there blinds and reraise there calls they fold 90% of the time so much for technology :icon_salu

and lol you don't multi-table live games either.