BetOnline, just really bad players or something else?

[yazanrafe]

I don't think it will be weekly

 

[Pokerstudy]

I wonder, if BOL is legit, how come there isn’t hundreds of people making a great living from BOL based on skill, or wait, would be nice to see one (that isn’t some dude making 10k) in some foreign country lol.

Cmon y’all, where are the blogs of people making great money off of unregulated sites?
Regulated I can see - unregulated, I would love to see the skilled players results making great money. Maybe I am wrong (I am open to being made a fool for such blasphemy) and it is happening, so then show me links

 

[el_soma77]

I have not had contact with this page, although I have listened to it, but I do not use it, I always follow my loyalty with my platforms.

If you lose, don't be frustrated, understand, you did the best you could ...

 

[Sabrinaamoura]

I dont know

I don't know just pokerstars

 

[perrypip]

So after a lot of hard work, study, feedback here, and 10s of thousands of hands over on Bovada, I can finally say I'm a winning player at 5NL and 10NL FR NLH which felt great.


That said, i decided to check out BetOnline because I've heard it's a decent site and super soft. Made a small test deposit (with the idea of depositing enough for 20bis for the lowest cash game stake if I liked the software).

First thing I noticed was how massive the average pot sizes were in relation to the max stack buy ins (i.e seeing average pot sizes of $4+ in 10NL!) and noticed there was a ton of players just overbetting and shoving everything from bottom pair bottom kicker to gutshot draws, I thought, man this is going to be easy here.


Played a few days, ran good, hands held, players were truly terribad fish. So I deposited more to have the roll I discussed above, and immediately started losing. Over and over. And over.

And sure some of it was standard like going to far with TPTK or hitting 2 pair but being shown a flush on the turn. But some of it was really bizzare. Players aggro betting hands like57 suited (with one of their suit on the board and no pairs) and shoving flops to catch runner runner flushes. Players shoving A high into my flopped flushes to hit runner runner boats, players calling with 69o into pot sized bets with my flopped sets to hit a gutshot on river. Just lots of weird shoving with a wing and a prayer and them hitting over and over.

That's not to say I haven't had good sessions there, I easily grow stacks at each table but then it seems, without fail, someone will shove with nothing and get their perfect run out. Over and over. And on the flip side I'll call min bets with 15 outers on the flop and just whiff over and over! I'm just getting sucked out on so much and it's often against a player that's the aggressor in the hand it's just mind boggling.

So obviously this is magical thinking to assume that the site is somehow doing this on purpose, and I'm not implying they are. Poker can be cruel.


My questions after this mini vent above, has anyone here actually consistently grown or maintained a roll at BetOnline?


My roll is down to 5 buy ins after about 3 days of this, so I'm down 15 buy ins at the lowest stake. Compared to Bovada once i actually put in the work and play solid poker with solid BRM, I still lose a few buy ins here and there, but not like on Bet Online.

And if it is an honest site and the players are just terrible, any tips on how to beat these kind of any two card shovefest players? Should I be overbetting the pots when there's draws and really charging even more for draws? Or is it just a site where you need a really deep bankroll to sustain the absolute manic play I've seen there?

About to close my BetOnline account because I can do fine at Bovada but really struggling on there and I'm hesitant to set up a deeper roll there if no one else is actually consistently having success there, is it worth staying on BetOnline and if so how can I crush these players?

TL;DR: BetOnline 10NL FR, is it actually beatable? Have you consistently won there and is it worth the time? If so, how deep is your roll and any tips on how to counter the shove fests?

Did you get a HUD when you moved to BOL?

Bovada is anonymous. So you just need to find a strategy that beats the population over all. BOL is not anonymous. So you play mixed strategies to beat different players. That's how poker works. You play the player. Players at BOL are either collecting stats on you or taking notes on your game. They use that information to craft strategies to beat you. You won a little bit a first because they hadn't figured your game out yet. But once they figured you out they new how to beat you.


Keep playing at Bovada and you'll never learn real poker.

 

[wpilson70]

Been on the site for years. I dont have any issues with the site. Have had ups and downs but never a reason to be concerned.

I have seen and heard the comments about all sites about this. Pokerstars, party poker, full tilt, ACR, BOL and even sub sites like CLUBWPT are rigged. Do i think they are perfect? no. Rigged, not al all. But where else can you play a game we all love for a buy in to a tournament for $0.25 or play a cask game at 1/2 cents for fun? Sure cant do that at my local casino.

Because it’s all amateurs with no game or very close to no game bellyaching about rigged games.

You’ve got people who say they’ve made bankrolls strictly out of freerolls (which is bullshit enough on its own) and now they’re World Experts on online poker who can say it’s rigged

How is it rigged?

Story follows. And it’s always “I didn’t win after I did at first”

Guess that means it’s rigged. No one grasps the rock simple concept that to have winners at the table......others must lose.

You mention 25 cent tourneys and 1 and 2 cent “cash” games. That’s so true because I truly believe 95 percent of this forum plays no higher than those limits, based on the level they display in the bullshit bellyaching tales of rigged games up and down this forum.

This is the ONLY forum I’ve ever been part of where the belief is rock solid unshakeable that freerolls here are magically better than others put on by other forums.

Not one other forum has ever stroked themselves so consistently over freerolls like they do at CC.

 

[fundiver199]

Players at BOL are either collecting stats on you or taking notes on your game. They use that information to craft strategies to beat you. You won a little bit a first because they hadn't figured your game out yet. But once they figured you out they new how to beat you. Keep playing at Bovada and you'll never learn real poker.

This is actually a really important point. On anonymous tables you can get away with being very unbalanced, because people cant figure it out, so they cant create strategies to exploit you. But if you do this in any kind of normal poker games, you will get punished for it, if you continue to play against the same people for long enough.

 

[SuiGeneris89]

more than bad beats?

So after a lot of hard work, study, feedback here, and 10s of thousands of hands over on Bovada, I can finally say I'm a winning player at 5NL and 10NL FR NLH which felt great.


That said, i decided to check out BetOnline because I've heard it's a decent site and super soft. Made a small test deposit (with the idea of depositing enough for 20bis for the lowest cash game stake if I liked the software).

First thing I noticed was how massive the average pot sizes were in relation to the max stack buy ins (i.e seeing average pot sizes of $4+ in 10NL!) and noticed there was a ton of players just overbetting and shoving everything from bottom pair bottom kicker to gutshot draws, I thought, man this is going to be easy here.


Played a few days, ran good, hands held, players were truly terribad fish. So I deposited more to have the roll I discussed above, and immediately started losing. Over and over. And over.

And sure some of it was standard like going to far with TPTK or hitting 2 pair but being shown a flush on the turn. But some of it was really bizzare. Players aggro betting hands like57 suited (with one of their suit on the board and no pairs) and shoving flops to catch runner runner flushes. Players shoving A high into my flopped flushes to hit runner runner boats, players calling with 69o into pot sized bets with my flopped sets to hit a gutshot on river. Just lots of weird shoving with a wing and a prayer and them hitting over and over.

That's not to say I haven't had good sessions there, I easily grow stacks at each table but then it seems, without fail, someone will shove with nothing and get their perfect run out. Over and over. And on the flip side I'll call min bets with 15 outers on the flop and just whiff over and over! I'm just getting sucked out on so much and it's often against a player that's the aggressor in the hand it's just mind boggling.

So obviously this is magical thinking to assume that the site is somehow doing this on purpose, and I'm not implying they are. Poker can be cruel.


My questions after this mini vent above, has anyone here actually consistently grown or maintained a roll at BetOnline?


My roll is down to 5 buy ins after about 3 days of this, so I'm down 15 buy ins at the lowest stake. Compared to Bovada once i actually put in the work and play solid poker with solid BRM, I still lose a few buy ins here and there, but not like on Bet Online.

And if it is an honest site and the players are just terrible, any tips on how to beat these kind of any two card shovefest players? Should I be overbetting the pots when there's draws and really charging even more for draws? Or is it just a site where you need a really deep bankroll to sustain the absolute manic play I've seen there?

About to close my BetOnline account because I can do fine at Bovada but really struggling on there and I'm hesitant to set up a deeper roll there if no one else is actually consistently having success there, is it worth staying on BetOnline and if so how can I crush these players?

TL;DR: BetOnline 10NL FR, is it actually beatable? Have you consistently won there and is it worth the time? If so, how deep is your roll and any tips on how to counter the shove fests?

Many years ago I ground out freerolls and played micro MTT's on BOL, and it went fairly well. When it got to the point where I could join some slightly bigger tournaments, I hit 3rd for $500 something, and cashed out. After that one "big" win, I couldn't win to save my life. Lost the last of my BR on bad beats and tilt and gave up. Fast forward 5 years and I sit down to grind some freerolls and literally have not made it past the first hour of play, always losing on bad beats. I get AA will lose to AK sometimes, but every time I have a monster and THEY JAM ME, I am forced to call only to get sucked out...

I have still yet to be able to make it through a single hour of freerolls there, always getting called light and sucked out... it's infuriating.

So I started on ACR, same thing. Ground freerolls, played Micro's, for a couple months everything was "normal", then I won $200 something playing an MTT, and immediately after that my variance skyrocketed. from $350 to like $80 in 2 weeks, playing appropriate sized MTT's for my roll and small cash tables. What was described above, being way ahead only to be runner runnered over and over....

SO i spend the morning on CardsChat and see they say intertops is the #1 place to play! SO i download and load up the first freeroll I can get into.

Pocket 7's on the button, 2 limpers, i raise 4x, 2 callers, flop comes 9c7h5h

checked to me on the button I bet pot sized and SB snap jams his stack. (ok, he limp called, check jammed... did he nail the straight? flush chase?) I call and I am ecstatic to see he has 75c for bottom two pair against my set. Runner runner flush. 4.65%?

I GET THERE IS VARIANCE, I AM DEFINITELY GRASPING THE GAME, but i cannot seem to get away from these situations.

I do not understand online poker because I grind it out, raise my BR, FINALLY go up in stakes, play the same exact style and get clobbered by this.

 

[Hemified]

I love it..its like a small site with easy players it dont get no better. I crush it on bol and think its because more novice/amature players. I play on cheaper $6 6 man sit n goes. Easy money to win to play in big tournys. Good luck and get that easier money on the 1.50 six mans.

 

[perrypip]

This is actually a really important point. On anonymous tables you can get away with being very unbalanced, because people cant figure it out, so they cant create strategies to exploit you. But if you do this in any kind of normal poker games, you will get punished for it, if you continue to play against the same people for long enough.

ignition is the one site I struggle with. I feel like I'm playing ghosts who disappear and never come back after they make a bad play and the poker gods help them out. It spooks me and I get tilted.

They say you should play GTO there. But you really play the population. Its not balanced but its a little but closer to balanced than an individual player. That's because aggressive players and passive players can cancel each other out for example. Especially when you play the zone poker, they are different players on every hand, so you can't even pick a little bit about play tendencies like you can at a cash table. Though sometimes at cash tables with a HUD I see VPIP of 50 or more after 100 hands!

I mostly play at BOL and Global. Very soft players at both. Ignition/Bovada won't teach you real poker IMO.

 

[Pret_Lispero]

Did you get a HUD when you moved to BOL?

Bovada is anonymous. So you just need to find a strategy that beats the population over all. BOL is not anonymous. So you play mixed strategies to beat different players. That's how poker works. You play the player. Players at BOL are either collecting stats on you or taking notes on your game. They use that information to craft strategies to beat you. You won a little bit a first because they hadn't figured your game out yet. But once they figured you out they new how to beat you.


Keep playing at Bovada and you'll never learn real poker.

They use that info to shove all-in with random cards vs KK or AA and manage to win all-in preflop with Maximum 20% equity & destroy you. Ok, interesting.

 

[Pret_Lispero]

Because it’s all amateurs with no game or very close to no game bellyaching about rigged games.

You’ve got people who say they’ve made bankrolls strictly out of freerolls (which is bullshit enough on its own) and now they’re World Experts on Online Poker who can say it’s rigged

How is it rigged?

Story follows. And it’s always “I didn’t win after I did at first”

Guess that means it’s rigged. No one grasps the rock simple concept that to have winners at the table......others must lose.

You mention 25 cent tourneys and 1 and 2 cent “cash” games. That’s so true because I truly believe 95 percent of this forum plays no higher than those limits, based on the level they display in the bullshit bellyaching tales of rigged games up and down this forum.

This is the ONLY forum I’ve ever been part of where the belief is rock solid unshakeable that freerolls here are magically better than others put on by other forums.

Not one other forum has ever stroked themselves so consistently over freerolls like they do at CC.

Bro, the point is that you get destroyed consistently by all-in with majority of equity. The problem is NOT that you call and lose, but that you lose consistently in spots that have positive EV. Stop shuffling the deck with these strawman arguments. It is obvious shill behavior.

 

[7thseal]

I have taken $50 dollars and walked it up to $1500 on Betonilne. Then I tried to make a withdraw and because of some stupid promotion it wouldn't let me cash out for weeks. Needless to say I played a bit more thinking I had found the answer to the fish play and sure enough ended up losing a large portion of the winnings to a horrible draw. Flopped an ace High flush and person caught a runner runner for the win. Pushed all in on the flop as well. Fishy play is all I am saying. I still play tourneys on the site all the time, but have slowed down on the cash games. Glad to hear Bovada is still doing things right!

 

[gameking916]

Betonline is definitely rigged 100%

BETONLINE IS DEFINITELY RIGGED! Pay attention to the 1000's of professional players who are telling you that the software is definitely bugged with questionable algorithms, combined with a multitude of bots, house players, and collusion. The only people who will say that this site is not rigged in any sense of the word are those who are involved in it. DO NOT throw your money away here!
I have played online poker since 2004, at all the major poker sites. I will say that all U.S. poker sites are rigged, for that matter! At one point they were each legit, but now they will all break you, no matter how good you are...unless you are involved in the illegal activities present within. I have not played pokerstars or fulltilt in a long time, so I can't judge them at this time. But I will tell you what I know to be true as a professional player. Just play live poker and be safe.

 

[gameking916]

I have taken $50 dollars and walked it up to $1500 on Betonilne. Then I tried to make a withdraw and because of some stupid promotion it wouldn't let me cash out for weeks. Needless to say I played a bit more thinking I had found the answer to the fish play and sure enough ended up losing a large portion of the winnings to a horrible draw. Flopped an ace High flush and person caught a runner runner for the win. Pushed all in on the flop as well. Fishy play is all I am saying. I still play tourneys on the site all the time, but have slowed down on the cash games. Glad to hear Bovada is still doing things right!

As far as betonline goes, all the professional players see that something isn't right. Only the people who are involved in scamming the players, and stealing their money will tell you that "the water is fine" and "there is nothing wrong". DO NOT LOSE YOUR MONEY PLAYING THERE. Sometimes they do let you win a little, then kill you, in order for you to deposit more and more. I myself have played there for five years, so I speak from experience. Have a good day.

 

[7thseal]

As far as betonline goes, all the professional players see that something isn't right. Only the people who are involved in scamming the players, and stealing their money will tell you that "the water is fine" and "there is nothing wrong". DO NOT LOSE YOUR MONEY PLAYING THERE. Sometimes they do let you win a little, then kill you, in order for you to deposit more and more. I myself have played there for five years, so I speak from experience. Have a good day.

Thanks for posting. I have heard similar stories over and over. If your still playing there hopefully your one of the few that make money continually. I think I have had an account since 2015. Insights like this should be shared to newbies, not to just talk bad about a site, but to let others know that not all sites are equal.

 

[AKQ]

there is poker where 52 cards get randomly generated and dealt.
Then there is betonline where that does feel is the case.
I play alot of poker and am a big advocate of downswings and understanding losses.
Betonline has something else in its algorithm and I'm not sayin this conspiracy crazy or anything.
I just believe so through personal experience and this is coming from someone that has made thousands on that site.
I don't play there anymore (I prefer AMERICAS CARDROOM)

 

[PLAYFUL1]

Are there Female bots too cause I seem to be taken advantage of them every time I play high stakes poker. Especially where's there is only one possible card that can beat u and they have it. This never happens in a live game that's for sure

 

[theANMATOR]

No one else has had any experience similar to these accounts from BOL? I would love to hear other stories if anyone has any

Standard fair for bad beats on BoL same as everywhere else - for me anyway.

However - the reason I don't play on BoL is because of my perpetual card dead on that site.
I rarely get any premium hands dealt to me - and when I do - I always run into either a better premium or the board runs out to beat me.
But the most frustrating thing is J/3 off, 7/4 off with 3 opens and a 3bet, T/2 off A/8 with 3 opens. Just the never ending run of crap hands. Then I get something playable in a playable spot - and run into the nuts. Game over. Thats my BoL experience every time.

Oddly - I seem to run a bit better on SB - but I don't play on their all that often either.

 

[Jon Poker]

Standard fair for bad beats on BoL same as everywhere else - for me anyway.

However - the reason I don't play on BoL is because of my perpetual card dead on that site.
I rarely get any premium hands dealt to me - and when I do - I always run into either a better premium or the board runs out to beat me.
But the most frustrating thing is J/3 off, 7/4 off with 3 opens and a 3bet, T/2 off A/8 with 3 opens. Just the never ending run of crap hands. Then I get something playable in a playable spot - and run into the nuts. Game over. Thats my BoL experience every time.

Oddly - I seem to run a bit better on SB - but I don't play on their all that often either.

Like alot of others at this moment in time I was looking for excuses to mask variance and poor play - BOL action is totally normal and before all the new PKO structures I used to crush BOL after ironing out my game play. I dont play there much anymore because I hate PKO structures

 

[theANMATOR]

Like alot of others at this moment in time I was looking for excuses to mask variance and poor play - BOL action is totally normal and before all the new PKO structures I used to crush BOL after ironing out my game play. I dont play there much anymore because I hate PKO structures

Funny you mention the PKOs. Everything is now PKO there - and I also am not fond of them. My strat is to totally ignore that aspect and just play poker. Seems to work for me, when I choose to play one, which is not very often.

 

[Alizona]

PKO format encourages action, which is a GREAT thing for tournament play since they can tend to be a bit boring for long stretches of folding hands in a regular freezeout format.

Speaking as a (hopefully former) fish... the PKO payout structure is wonderful (yes I know the "pros" hate it)... I can often turn a profit well before the money bubble, which means I am freerolling the thing now... such a wonderful feeling that can often free me up to become an actual real semi-aggressive donk, a dangerous species if there ever was one. LOL

My suggestion is rather than hating on the format, realize that it is a format that attracts the exact type of player you WANT it to attract - the action junkies who on average will be behind when we get it in against them... and yes of course I understand this means higher variance, but so what? We assume its a positive expectation over the long run, and we embrace it!! Enjoy, and good luck!

[Disclaimer: My poker bankrolls are built from grinding freerolls, so realize I play micro stakes and I literally have no "skin in the game", I'm never gonna lose my shirt and I'm not the type to be overly paranoid about dishonest sites, I enjoy BOL much more these days with their PKO-heavy schedule and they've also catered to micro players much more over the past year or so]

 

[Hemified]

Its a combination of both..lol..no its just the way of the play i guess really. I play there every now and then and its just like the rest of em probably. Your gonna have good and bad players and a lotta luck in between on any of em. Good luck and crush it.

 

[YR2311]

As a newbie at BetOnline it's good to hear the things you say.
If I had to come to a conclution I would say that one can't rely on some user experience, this is only a subjective opinion.

 

[TeUnit]

On Betonline the players sitting out do not automatically fold if they are in the BB so its really easy to identify "unaware/bad" players who play hands with players that are sitting out.