BetOnline, just really bad players or something else?

[Poker Professional]

BETONLINE poker. 100 percent rigged Trust me!!

Stay away from bet online poker !!!

Save your money!!!!!!

I am a poker professional. I make a living playing poker. I started out playing on bet online about 6 months ago. Since cornavirus. Anyways, i wanted to share this so that people will not get scammed. Myself and two other pro players have tried bet online and we all agree that it is 100 percent rigged. So many multiple accounts playing same table. Site bots that are at every table are always up big day after day. This site is a scam and save your money!

There are so many examples of why it is rigged. Their house bots that are fillers in games. Always set up rediculous hands. Give you ace ace. They will have king king and end up going all in preflop together. Always a king. Comes on flop. I would say 90 percent of the time it happens when they hit the king.

Even more extreme things i had pocket aces. Guy raised 50 bucks preflop i make it 200. He goes all in for 575 dollars. I call. Turns over 9 2 offsuit. Flop comes 992 turn 9 river 2.

Seriously guys stay away from bet online. You have been warned. Do not get tempted by there paid advertising on google on how legit the site is. Absolutely no way on this earth is it legit at all.

Taake care people. This site is a scam and you should not deposit on bet online poker. It will be flushing money down the toilet.

 

[Datdude1]

I'm not sure if Betonline is rigged or not but I can say that I've seen some unbelievable hands that started with unbelievable calls. It's been a roller-coaster for me on Betonline but I still play because they have a lot of freerolls. I never felt comfortable with depositing money on the site.

 

[Kudi]

thats interesting

 

[sfarnsworth1]

BOL deposits and payouts ALWAYS shaved in their favor

I have yet to deposit to BOL and not have the amount charged exceed what it was supposed to be. they always blame "exchange rate fluctuations" by the processing banks. That MIGHT make sense if the error was ever in my favor. It ALWAYS favors them. That is likely not an accident.

And on my last payout they shorted my wire and blame "intermediary banks" which is BS. My bank is Citibank who uses no intermediary. Appealing to customer service is just a total runaround. smug #$%^&^& a-holes who blame intermediary bank fees on their side in addition to the $60 fee they charged for the wire. I'm okay with the wire fee. i have a hard time getting shorted and then having them blame my bank. total BS

 

[CheezeWiz]

Yes, I Certainly Would!

Their Sunday game has a $109 bounty and a top place payout of $65,0000 ...the only thing I’m confused about is since this is every week, wouldn’t there be one player that talks or brags about winning that...?

Interesting question.

Yes, I certainly would, heck, I might even brag about it if I even played in it! To be honest though, knock-out games are not something I excel at.

Don't expect a post soon from me though on this topic, as my account was cancelled a few months back, but that is a story for another day.

Best of Luck at The Tables All!

CheezeWiz

 

[1player2]

Hello,


I had a suspicious feeling when I was playing cash games on this platform about 2 weeks ago. I believe there were multiple players working together to juice pots for each other. Something to think about cards chat peeps.

 

[Kenorgcom]

Just really bad players.

 

[Dmondo]

Low-mid stakes and beginners plus its a casino/ sportsbetting site so lots of gamblers.

 

[cathi1962]

I have to agree with everything you said here! I too experience these scenarios way too often, and lose all of my money right away! I also noticed that the first of the month, I start wining a lot! Is this luck? I don't think so! I believe BOL's system is set to let you win big, and then lose it all fast in the beginning of each month. I've not only seen it with BOL but every single site I play on. I think this is their way of not paying you $$$ for the month end of loses! The way they figure that one out just blows me away! My question is? What can be done about this? BOL or any other Casino is not going to admit they are doing this or their employees are! It's absolutely insane and Robbery what these sites do and they get away with it. There is a Casino Commissioner site to report online casinos. Maybe if everyone who is having issues like these, it will prompt an investigation. I think 5dimes was busted for USA players, I'm not certain, but USA players can no longer play there until their investigation is done. Good Luck on winning!

Made initial deposit. Slowly built bank-roll over 2 day period. Normal ups and downs with a few bad beats, really bad beats but that's expected. Experienced typical "bad variance" as well, played a ton of hands. On the third day something was different. A few players that were fish on days 1 and 2 turned into savage wolves jamming and re-raising me every-time. Was still getting aa and kk in typical fashion, but now the whole table is auto-folding no matter what raise size i do, i varied it to feel things out because it was so blatantly odd i suspected something was up almost immediately. Every marginal hand i fold, a boat appears for my would-be hand. Every hand i dont get jammed out on, a 3 flush flops of a suit i don't have. AA and kk are like a golden unicorn at this point. The rare instance i have a chance to jam my top pair top kicker, i get sucked out on by a player who frequently jams with rags, normally, i would say "great, i've experienced players jamming with rags in live action, they get lucky once, then you end up with 3 re-buys worth of their money by the end of the night." Not on Betonline, they never bust out, and this is the most bizarre aspect of the play here, post "initial run of steady success," these players steadily grow their stack until they disappear, usually after a particularly suspicious hand. If it's a sit and go, they win, maybe losing one hand the whole session, looking like the Doyle Brunson of $1.50 double or nothing. I salute people making the effort to record play and post hand histories to support this phenomenon, but for me it just doesn't do it justice, some will rightfully argue the hands as bad beats, because they are, but any experienced live action player who puts in some time on BOL will just "see it," this experience does not exist in the wild. Anyone who tries to tell me that what i experienced is normal, you are pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining. Them: "how do you know it's not rain? Did you run a chemical test on it? Me: "Well, i saw you whip it out, now my leg is warm/wet, i don't think i need a chemical test, i'm just going to pimp slap you and avoid future encounters with you."

Conclusion-
I'm a US based forensic accountant (i'm also a very experienced NLH player). I can't encounter a situation like this w/out trying to figure out what the hell is going on. I frequently hear people complaining about bots on BOL. This would be entity-level fraud, not that the site itself wouldn't de-fraud an american player who has no recourse, but i don't think they would go about it in this way, nor did it feel like this is specifically what was happening. To me, it felt like i was playing against a few players, actual human players, who could see my cards. It also felt like these human players knew what was coming most of the time, it also appeared that the few obviously legitimate american players, real humans like myself who deposited money on the site to play poker, were being targeted in a similar fashion, and their stack(s) would mirror mine in an eerie way. The stack slowly goes down, every playable hand gets jammed on by the player to your left, and as the "real" player waits for that opportunity to bust the fish w/ a set or AA, etc, the player to the left speed folds. The "fish" are the ones who consistently bust you, never busting out themselves. I suspect that the value of an american dollar is high enough in the locales where the site operates, and with corruption/oversight not being a fraction of what it is in US, that the incentive and opportunity are both there for site employees, as well as friends/family members of site employees, to access admin tools while playing and "unmask" player hands and common cards. There is an anecdote posted on another forum by a player who claims to have experienced "normal play" after complaining directly to the site regarding this type of activity. This makes sense to me, as those participating in the fraud are likely close to whoever would be receiving that type of complaint, and while tacitly accepted, the behavior is at least encouraged to cease w/ respect to the player who is trying to draw attention to it, the site would not change its algorithm or re-program its bots to lay off a player though, i don't believe, so i would go all-in on lax controls over the admin tools vs. site-wide programming fraud as the culprit.

 

[cathi1962]

OMG! I've heard the same crap myself! It's always someone else's fault. I agree it's BS and they are stealing from us! So not right!

I have yet to deposit to BOL and not have the amount charged exceed what it was supposed to be. they always blame "exchange rate fluctuations" by the processing banks. That MIGHT make sense if the error was ever in my favor. It ALWAYS favors them. That is likely not an accident.

And on my last payout they shorted my wire and blame "intermediary banks" which is BS. My bank is Citibank who uses no intermediary. Appealing to customer service is just a total runaround. smug #$%^&^& a-holes who blame intermediary bank fees on their side in addition to the $60 fee they charged for the wire. I'm okay with the wire fee. i have a hard time getting shorted and then having them blame my bank. total BS

 

[cathi1962]

This is advice to know! So which sites do you prefer playing on Poker Professional?

Stay away from bet online poker !!!

Save your money!!!!!!

I am a poker professional. I make a living playing poker. I started out playing on bet online about 6 months ago. Since cornavirus. Anyways, i wanted to share this so that people will not get scammed. Myself and two other pro players have tried bet online and we all agree that it is 100 percent rigged. So many multiple accounts playing same table. Site bots that are at every table are always up big day after day. This site is a scam and save your money!

There are so many examples of why it is rigged. Their house bots that are fillers in games. Always set up rediculous hands. Give you ace ace. They will have king king and end up going all in preflop together. Always a king. Comes on flop. I would say 90 percent of the time it happens when they hit the king.

Even more extreme things i had pocket aces. Guy raised 50 bucks preflop i make it 200. He goes all in for 575 dollars. I call. Turns over 9 2 offsuit. Flop comes 992 turn 9 river 2.

Seriously guys stay away from bet online. You have been warned. Do not get tempted by there paid advertising on google on how legit the site is. Absolutely no way on this earth is it legit at all.

Taake care people. This site is a scam and you should not deposit on bet online poker. It will be flushing money down the toilet.

 

[4give4live]

Their Sunday game has a $109 bounty and a top place payout of $65,0000 ...the only thing I’m confused about is since this is every week, wouldn’t there be one player that talks or brags about winning that...?

Would you do this yourself?

 

[Pokerstudy]

Would you do this yourself?

I would talk about winning it, not to brag (maybe a little bit, but not as full purpose lol) , but to share my experience with the community, money is great and all, but I love the game far more than any money amount. I just find it odd nobody has said I won this much money from the tournament and this is how I did it. 52 weeks a year, you would think one person would talk about it...

 

[BigXerxes]

I have played on BOL for many years. I have no affiliation with the site just found out about it through a college roommate. I started with a small $50 deposit and built that up to over four figures playing micros. I then turned this into a cash for over 7k in one of their main events. I have withdrawn thousands of dollars from the site.

I do see tons of bad beats but also play a TON of hands. I think overall their algorithm is pretty good and fair. There is certainly no reason they’d want me to win money. Check out my sharkscope if you’d like hddncrstls

 

[puzzlefish]

BOL/SBP/"Chico" is similar to most other online poker sites. Check their Trustpilot reviews. There are pages upon pages upon pages of reading material there. There are a few accounts that are winning accounts, while the rest follow the same trend that is seen time and time again on every online poker site. Deposit -> Briefly run-good -> Run bad until account runs down to zero -> Restart the process. If you're not consistently winning, the obvious solution is to do freerolls and try to build a bankroll that way. The only other site I know of that I have not tested yet is Run It Once.

 

[NWPatriot]

I started a BOL SNG thread a few months ago where I stated that I had a +18% ROI at ACR SNG's but a -8% ROI at BOL. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/sng-results-at-acr-bol-463219/ I was struggling to figure out why my poker strategy would be valid at one site, but not another.

If my ACR ROI is my baseline then my particular variance should only be between 3% and 33%. I was also trying to understand why if the players are so bad, how can my ROI get so bad there. Maybe it isn't that the players are bad, but that they are bots and there is some knowledge they have for hitting so many very unlikely hands. If the players are bad, then if we are better, shouldn't we be able to adjust through it?

Oddly enough it seems "easier" to win at the higher buyins. This makes no sense since these players should be better and more difficult to beat. But once we are all on the same page with regard to range building and expected play, we can all understand the game a little better. This results in "easier". It is when nothing makes any sense that poker is nightmare.

Good luck and God bless.

 

[Uncloggie]

Interesting thread, I will avoid the site. Even though enticed by the reports of bad players, the suspicions outweigh the benefits.

 

[mts1017]

i see its been a while since any of these post but just so i can rant a little i would not recommend or will i myself ever put money on betonline again in the last two days playing a few hours each day i have 13 screenshots of hands that are just brutal losing with aa kk getting runner runner after i flop the nuts and i myself on may 20th deposited 50bucks on betonline by the first week of june i cash 1200 out and still had about a grand to play on i played that off eventually losing the grand and since then i cant win anything i play the same style i always have but you cant win if you flop nuts then get out drawn and that happens to me everytime i play on betonline and i will happily send anyone these screenshots because i would love for someone to look at them and what really bothers me is the fact that they are who benefits from all these bad beats people have to rebuy or add more money which is more money for them i just feel like it is not right to take advantage of american players because we cant play the real sites

 

[myquickwit]

The site isn't rigged. It's just variance. Anyone watching the dnegs polk heads up? Daniel would say it is rigged because he is running -300k all in ev. This is just the crappy part of poker.

 

[Dorugremon]

I have no idea if Bet Online is doing anything funky. All I can say is if you're not comfortable playing there, then play somewhere else.

 

[clave7777]

Thanks for the info. No visit for me.

 

[el_soma77]

Made initial deposit. Slowly built bank-roll over 2 day period. Normal ups and downs with a few bad beats, really bad beats but that's expected. Experienced typical "bad variance" as well, played a ton of hands. On the third day something was different. A few players that were fish on days 1 and 2 turned into savage wolves jamming and re-raising me every-time. Was still getting aa and kk in typical fashion, but now the whole table is auto-folding no matter what raise size i do, i varied it to feel things out because it was so blatantly odd i suspected something was up almost immediately. Every marginal hand i fold, a boat appears for my would-be hand. Every hand i dont get jammed out on, a 3 flush flops of a suit i don't have. AA and kk are like a golden unicorn at this point. The rare instance i have a chance to jam my top pair top kicker, i get sucked out on by a player who frequently jams with rags, normally, i would say "great, i've experienced players jamming with rags in live action, they get lucky once, then you end up with 3 re-buys worth of their money by the end of the night." Not on Betonline, they never bust out, and this is the most bizarre aspect of the play here, post "initial run of steady success," these players steadily grow their stack until they disappear, usually after a particularly suspicious hand. If it's a sit and go, they win, maybe losing one hand the whole session, looking like the Doyle Brunson of $1.50 double or nothing. I salute people making the effort to record play and post hand histories to support this phenomenon, but for me it just doesn't do it justice, some will rightfully argue the hands as bad beats, because they are, but any experienced live action player who puts in some time on BOL will just "see it," this experience does not exist in the wild. Anyone who tries to tell me that what i experienced is normal, you are pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining. Them: "how do you know it's not rain? Did you run a chemical test on it? Me: "Well, i saw you whip it out, now my leg is warm/wet, i don't think i need a chemical test, i'm just going to pimp slap you and avoid future encounters with you."

Conclusion-
I'm a US based forensic accountant (i'm also a very experienced NLH player). I can't encounter a situation like this w/out trying to figure out what the hell is going on. I frequently hear people complaining about bots on BOL. This would be entity-level fraud, not that the site itself wouldn't de-fraud an american player who has no recourse, but i don't think they would go about it in this way, nor did it feel like this is specifically what was happening. To me, it felt like i was playing against a few players, actual human players, who could see my cards. It also felt like these human players knew what was coming most of the time, it also appeared that the few obviously legitimate american players, real humans like myself who deposited money on the site to play poker, were being targeted in a similar fashion, and their stack(s) would mirror mine in an eerie way. The stack slowly goes down, every playable hand gets jammed on by the player to your left, and as the "real" player waits for that opportunity to bust the fish w/ a set or AA, etc, the player to the left speed folds. The "fish" are the ones who consistently bust you, never busting out themselves. I suspect that the value of an american dollar is high enough in the locales where the site operates, and with corruption/oversight not being a fraction of what it is in US, that the incentive and opportunity are both there for site employees, as well as friends/family members of site employees, to access admin tools while playing and "unmask" player hands and common cards. There is an anecdote posted on another forum by a player who claims to have experienced "normal play" after complaining directly to the site regarding this type of activity. This makes sense to me, as those participating in the fraud are likely close to whoever would be receiving that type of complaint, and while tacitly accepted, the behavior is at least encouraged to cease w/ respect to the player who is trying to draw attention to it, the site would not change its algorithm or re-program its bots to lay off a player though, i don't believe, so i would go all-in on lax controls over the admin tools vs. site-wide programming fraud as the culprit.

You speak and I read everything, you wrote it but you do not say what the specific software is

 

[el_soma77]

I have hardly had this type of experience, but I know that there are several servers that do this type of activity, that's why I always play in pokerstars and in 888 they are very reliable, that sometimes also happens in pokerstars at small tables, you see crazy things too but normal, in guaranteed tournaments and sitgo, you don't see this, this is seen mostly on tables.

 

[aliasheer]

I don't think the company can generate such complex algorithm that targets a single player, that being said I do think there is a possibility of bots as it's very difficult to expose those.

 

[RobLG]

Same thing!

Hey!

Just found this site when I did a search for "Is Betonline Rigged?"

I searched for that because I joined today (having played much at ignition and ACR back in the day) and immediately noticed something fishy.

I was playing sit'n'gos, single table, and I've played 10x so far. At each table this one player keeps showing up "GST" is the screen name. It's come down to GST and me, head to head, about 7 times so far. Each time he's won. He always wins on a hand where he goes all in - with 5,7os or some such, and I have AKos or pocket 10s, QJsuited, and at the flop he's all done.

But wait! lol If I have a pair of Aces and he has a pair of 55s, he'll hit another 5, or a 7, at the river to take it. If I have a set of Ks, he hits a flush or straight - on the river. I flop a flush this same player will hit two pair on the turn and the river for a full boat.

I've never, in decades of playing, had a stretch of such obviously "wrong" games/hands ever.

I'm not sure what the odds are of that happening - a million to one? A billion or more to one?

I have about $10 left from my initial - and last - deposit. If I actually win a game - or even play one that this guy isn't sitting at - I'll update this post. Otherwise, know that I went down venting! LOL