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C_mac
Enthusiast
Silver Level
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C_mac
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Not sure you know what your talking about. 6 max micros don't allow for a whole lot time to get a read on players. The tournaments are to quick, and the style of play changes drastically as the blinds go up.
There are many strategies that just can't be applied to all the different variations of pokers games.
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lolshovaments
Rock Star
Silver Level
I'm sure any person can become a winning player in 30 days. But they have to follow a good plan and respect the rules. And understand they won't win huge in this period of time.
But it can be a way to start and learn how to grind, etc.
Colin Moshman is a good teacher by the way, I have his HU book, great content!
But it can be a way to start and learn how to grind, etc.
Colin Moshman is a good teacher by the way, I have his HU book, great content!
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marcoslopezbl
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I will always be amazed at the huge paradox of online the poker community. The aim of the game is basically to find a strategy to funnel someone else's money into your own stack. Yet, some forums are full of people who will work relentlessly to help others become better at doing exactly that. Personally, I'll take all the input I can get. Although I do agree that "winning consistently" and "becoming a winning player" are different concepts.
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blix177
Visionary
Silver Level
Shells
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Liedust
Rock Star
Platinum Level
It is possible to be lucky during the first month of play and be the winner. But in my opinion it takes us more than 30 days to perfect each aspect of a game as beautiful and simple, but at the same time complex as poker is. Regards.
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panaloto
Enthusiast
Silver Level
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samsonand
Visionary
Silver Level
I still do not take time to do the 30-day course, guys, a lot of work in the office and my boss an ogre who does not let me breathe, but we are already finishing, on vacation if or if I will make him if possible two months so that do not forget me
Phoenix Wright
Legend
Loyaler
Lots of members are responding too literal to the course title I think. I believe the title is not super important; it is the content quality that matters. Besides, the course target audience was beginning players and maybe inexperienced beginning to intermediate players. The title didn't say you will win the wsop Main Event in 30 Days from now; the title isn't really too important, but I find the title to be fine. Too many are over-analyzing it
Of course! It's all about the way in which you interpret the information. As Mike Sexton said: "It takes five minutes to learn but a lifetime to master."
I've heard the same quotation (word for word) applied to many things (golf, chess and many others things). In fact, this is true for many things in life. Knowing the rules and "mastering" are two separate topics. I forget which: but an old psychology study tracked progress for beginners of various fields, games and hobbies. They claim to have found a common correlation (regardless of what was studied) that most everything takes about 10,000 hours of practice/training/study to "master." Maybe this is true: I don't know. Specifically, I question the ambiguous definition of "master" here. Take golf for instance: does this mean that most make it to the PGA Tour after 10,000 hours of practice? I kind of doubt it, but perhaps most don't ever reach 10,000 hours. I'm not sure of the numbers for correlations, but at least I intuitively agree that most things take a ton of time and effort to "master."
Following this logic, it doesn't seem that 30 Days is enough time to "master" poker, but it might be enough to make someone a "winner." How loose is the term "winner" used is the key. Will you be a full-time pro poker player within 30 Days? Virtually impossible (and even if one case was true, then was that variance/luck since 30 days is a small sample). If "winner" is not equal to "mastering" the game, then would winning one homegame count as making someone a "winner?" That might be feasible in 30 days - especially in a soft homegame.
Agreed. You tend to get out what you put in. The course is free, but the ones who will benefit the most are undoubtedly the ones willing to review, study and learn more content beyond simply that course.
During the time I took the 30 Day course, I also bought and read Moshman's HU book too (read cover to cover). It was one of many things I did to prepare for the freeroll at the end of the course (that was my first ever freeroll: I only played super small homegames before then). It is a good book, but there are many great poker resources out there. Let us not forget cardschat is a great resource too
+1 Of course "living from poker" is closer to the realm of "mastering" the game; I think this is a bit more advanced than simply being considered a "winner." Sounds to me like winning even once (could be the softest homegame you could think of) technically makes that player a "winner" (at least for that session anyway).
I learned a ton as well. Granted, I was already familiar with some concepts before, but some others were very new for me. For example, the day on ICM pressure was mostly new for me because my experience to that point was casual homegames. The was no real "pressure" of busting in that atmosphere because people will just reload chips.
Hey, congratulations! A win is a win
I won't get nostalgic about my first ever freeroll win. It feels like so long ago, but it was only a few months ago. (Yes, it was the 30 Day Course freeroll we are discussing that I won but I've won several freerolls after that. That being my first ever freeroll and also a win will always make it special for me though - more so the experience and sense of accomplishment, but the prize "winnings" was nice too).
uri73796
Visionary
Bronze Level
Basically, you can learn to play poker in 30 days, but you always need to learn the basics of poker to be a successful player. Poker does not stand still and every time you come up with new strategies for playing
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johnmaltz19
Rock Star
Bronze Level
I'm a course graduate! Glad I found Cardschat.com it helped me a lot on my game. I understand why certain players do what they do. I gain some edge over other players at the table and hope to see some profit so that I can call myself a winning poker player finally!
jsnake716
Legend
Bronze Level
This is exactly what taking a course like this is all about (in my opinion), it gives you a more confidant feeling in your own ability. You don't feel like you don't know what to do in as many spots as you did before.
Of course, it is hard to claim to be a winning player in 30 days just because poker success can only be measured in long-term results. Each step is as important as that first one. I think most players have a desire to get better and maybe play some higher stakes than we do now. You stand a better chance of improving as a player if you are always learning, about your game, villain's game.
Congrats on finishing the course. I hope you keep moving forward in your journey.
Pokerpoet2
Legend
Loyaler
Doyle Brunson once said "Poker is a game you can learn in 5 minutes, But takes a life-time to master"
Even now at his age he is still learning from the up and coming stars of the poker world, it is constantly changing in the way it is played.
Become a Winning Poker player in 30 days is a great tool for today's game but in another year or two who knows what new tactics will be used.
Things are certainly different since Doyle first wrote the super system.
All good books on the topic help you to understand the game but to become great at the game it takes patience and practice, practice, practice.
I can play everyday and have been doing so for a long time now but still class myself as mediocre at best.
I have had a few good results in live Casino games, Best being 2nd in a 160 player tourney made a few cashes in smaller tourney's but after all that I am still a fun player. I play for the love of the game everything else including the money is just the icing on top.
Even now at his age he is still learning from the up and coming stars of the poker world, it is constantly changing in the way it is played.
Become a Winning Poker player in 30 days is a great tool for today's game but in another year or two who knows what new tactics will be used.
Things are certainly different since Doyle first wrote the super system.
All good books on the topic help you to understand the game but to become great at the game it takes patience and practice, practice, practice.
I can play everyday and have been doing so for a long time now but still class myself as mediocre at best.
I have had a few good results in live Casino games, Best being 2nd in a 160 player tourney made a few cashes in smaller tourney's but after all that I am still a fun player. I play for the love of the game everything else including the money is just the icing on top.
perrypip
Rock Star
Silver Level
How about just changing the name of the course to "Become A Winning Poker Player In 30 Lessons"? That way there's no implication that you'll do it in 30 days.
In fact because of variance, just to know you are a winning player can take longer than 30 days. That takes multiple tens of thousands of hands and that takes multiple hundreds of hours of play at single table. And you probably shouldn't be multitabling while you're first trying to learn how to play.
It's still a very good beginner level course. And it's free!!! Don't see how anyone can complain.
Like other beginner level courses it doesn't go deep into any underlying theory, i.e GTO and exploitive play, reverse exploitation, balancing ranges, defence frequencies, etc. If you want to move up to a professional level you will need to learn these things as well. But that's a little much for a beginner course and not needed to beat the micros.
Also while courses like this are targeted to the micros and small stakes, they do assume the players you are playing against have some basic skill. In the 6 max micros I frequently find players who are loose and very passive which makes them next to impossible to read. They will limp and once they've limped they're determined to see a flop so they call your ISO raise even when its large. I frequently end up in 3 and 4-way flops and I have to throw out most of my hands because I don't have enough strength to continue against that many players and can't pull of bluffs. It can be a test of patience because I'm sticking to tight ranges, waiting longer for them to finish the hands I don't play, and then folding most of hands I do play on the flop because I missed it and there's 3 other players. There is much more variance in this sort of game. If you let it tilt you even these crappy players end up getting the better of you.
So I do think its true than the course teaches a more in depth game that what you might encounter in 6 max micros. But to beat games like that you just need to stick to good tight preflop ranges and play some ABC poker after the flop. Basically just dumb down your game and have more patience. And certainly don't complain about a free online poker course that actually takes you beyond that level of play.
In fact because of variance, just to know you are a winning player can take longer than 30 days. That takes multiple tens of thousands of hands and that takes multiple hundreds of hours of play at single table. And you probably shouldn't be multitabling while you're first trying to learn how to play.
It's still a very good beginner level course. And it's free!!! Don't see how anyone can complain.
Like other beginner level courses it doesn't go deep into any underlying theory, i.e GTO and exploitive play, reverse exploitation, balancing ranges, defence frequencies, etc. If you want to move up to a professional level you will need to learn these things as well. But that's a little much for a beginner course and not needed to beat the micros.
Also while courses like this are targeted to the micros and small stakes, they do assume the players you are playing against have some basic skill. In the 6 max micros I frequently find players who are loose and very passive which makes them next to impossible to read. They will limp and once they've limped they're determined to see a flop so they call your ISO raise even when its large. I frequently end up in 3 and 4-way flops and I have to throw out most of my hands because I don't have enough strength to continue against that many players and can't pull of bluffs. It can be a test of patience because I'm sticking to tight ranges, waiting longer for them to finish the hands I don't play, and then folding most of hands I do play on the flop because I missed it and there's 3 other players. There is much more variance in this sort of game. If you let it tilt you even these crappy players end up getting the better of you.
So I do think its true than the course teaches a more in depth game that what you might encounter in 6 max micros. But to beat games like that you just need to stick to good tight preflop ranges and play some ABC poker after the flop. Basically just dumb down your game and have more patience. And certainly don't complain about a free online poker course that actually takes you beyond that level of play.