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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Its a fair point about the need to invest in additional software to just be on level with other players. There are however fairly cheap HUDs available or even free trial versions, so I think, its a little bit of an overblown concern.
The far larger issue in my opinion is all the ofter software, which exist, not to mention paid training sites like Upswing Poker to mention just one. I am currently struggling a bit to beat the games, I play, so I can move up further. Something like 10-20NL cash games and 3-5$ tournaments.
And I am currently debating, if I should dig out the cash to purchase a subscription for ICMizer and the Upswing Lab. This however is 150$ per year each, so its on a completely different level than the 100$ once and for all, you need to pay for PT4. But I am sure many of my opponents have paid for these subscriptions, so I am at a systematic disadvantage to them, if I dont do the same. This is not something, poker sites can stop, so in that sense I do feel, that all this focus on HUDs is a bit out of proportion and like fighting the last war.
That being said I think, its perfectly fine, that HUD free sites or games exist. In that way people have a choise, and how can anyone possibly be against a choise. Its not like, its a human right for me to play at exactly partypoker with a HUD, just like its not a human right for someone else to play on HUD free tables on pokerstars. Sites can set their TOS, as they want, and as players we then wote with our feet and our rake money.
My issue with PartyPoker is the lack of hand histories, which I have written about many times before, so no need to repeat it again.
The far larger issue in my opinion is all the ofter software, which exist, not to mention paid training sites like Upswing Poker to mention just one. I am currently struggling a bit to beat the games, I play, so I can move up further. Something like 10-20NL cash games and 3-5$ tournaments.
And I am currently debating, if I should dig out the cash to purchase a subscription for ICMizer and the Upswing Lab. This however is 150$ per year each, so its on a completely different level than the 100$ once and for all, you need to pay for PT4. But I am sure many of my opponents have paid for these subscriptions, so I am at a systematic disadvantage to them, if I dont do the same. This is not something, poker sites can stop, so in that sense I do feel, that all this focus on HUDs is a bit out of proportion and like fighting the last war.
That being said I think, its perfectly fine, that HUD free sites or games exist. In that way people have a choise, and how can anyone possibly be against a choise. Its not like, its a human right for me to play at exactly partypoker with a HUD, just like its not a human right for someone else to play on HUD free tables on pokerstars. Sites can set their TOS, as they want, and as players we then wote with our feet and our rake money.
My issue with PartyPoker is the lack of hand histories, which I have written about many times before, so no need to repeat it again.
akgross
Legend
Platinum Level
It's good. We choose what you like. I like playing without statistics better. If we take cash games, then I prefer to play in those frames where the hood is blocked. Those players who lose their advantage playing without statistics programs are outraged.
BigCountryAA
Visionary
Silver Level
Wish the rest of the sites would do the same. It's not just a "simple tool". When you can buy hand histories and know whether a person you've never met folds to 3bet x% or folds to a 3rd cbet on river x%. Floats flop and turn before folding x%... cbets flop, turn and river x% ...and so on. To say it's not an unfair advantage is a bit disingenuous. I can't take notes on people I've never met. I can't open a table and have a pencil and paper automatically take notes on the players while I piss around the house or go to work. I get that it pisses off the multi table grinders playing 20 tables at a time..but it's still bad for the game, period.
AllenKll
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't know that a ban on HUDs is great. You can still take notes on players. They are just making it harder to do so, which I am okay with, it's no harder than taking notes IRL. I've used a HUD for a while, didn't think it helped me. So I stopped.
This, I 100% agree with.. This is the real tom-foolery of the situation. you can't review your OWN hands, anymore. Who's to say that their "coaching" tools analysis is the one you want? I'd much rather be able to run my own data analysis.
