partypoker defends banning HUD's

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As a poker newbie, I don't have an issue with HUDs. In fact, I was hoping to one day learn how to use them as I got more involved with the game. :eek::confused:
 
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I enjoy playing hudless games so it's fine by me but will it make posting hh's to forums more difficult ?. Or will they still have a copy paste format for hh's for posting and reviewing on forums even if it's without player names just player a b c etc...
 
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This makes multi tabling for professionals, well all players in general, much more difficult no?
Also no hand history reviews?
Makes no sense.
 
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I think they are being ridiculous. New players are being eaten alive because they are fish. The only way HUDS might be negatively affecting new players in my opinion would be cash games and sit n gos by allowing more good players to play more tables. I think there is another reason that they don't want to advertise. This just doesn't make sense to me. I will continue to keep most of my poker money on sites that allow HUDS. If they don't want my business, good riddens.
 
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I See no problems with HUD's.The decision to call or go all in is always by the humans.HUD helps with the statistics.
 
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Once again people have not been complaining about PartyPoker no longer allowing the use of HUDs. One can be for or against the use of HUDs. I like HUDs, but I can not use a HUD, neither can my opponents (unless they cheate), so I dont have any big principle problem with HUDs not being allowed.

The complaints are about PartyPoker no longer allowing players to download their hand histories. Hand histories are important to allow players to analyse their game away from the table. And they are also important for the integrity of the games, because they allow players to detect and expose patterns, that indicate cheating.


Its amazing how PartyPoker can get away with putting out this smoke screen and not even attempting to answer the serious issues, which has been raised by many players.
 
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I think this is the right decision. Personally, I have never used ancillary software for the game.
 
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Once again people have not been complaining about PartyPoker no longer allowing the use of HUDs. One can be for or against the use of HUDs. I like HUDs, but I can not use a HUD, neither can my opponents (unless they cheate), so I dont have any big principle problem with HUDs not being allowed.

The complaints are about PartyPoker no longer allowing players to download their hand histories. Hand histories are important to allow players to analyse their game away from the table. And they are also important for the integrity of the games, because they allow players to detect and expose patterns, that indicate cheating.


Its amazing how PartyPoker can get away with putting out this smoke screen and not even attempting to answer the serious issues, which has been raised by many players.


I have PT4 and loved the experience of using it, both on the tables and using it for analysis off. I've been having a break for a few months after self excluding on pokerstars. I decided to try something a bit different and ended up on party poker coming back, and this has coincided with the big changes they've made. For now I'm comfortable playing without a HUD when I know my opponents don't have one either. I'm really interested in how this might affect the play at the tables and whether I will notice a difference in the play, and in the strength of opponents.

I'm interested to see whether Party Poker do address the concerns some people have. A statement of just how they intend to catch and expose cheating now that players are powerless to notice would be very insightful. I play for peanuts and am not hugely worried, but I can appreciate why some other people are concerned.

The one change I'd definitely like to see is being able to make notes against players when reviewing the hands I've played. Making notes playing Fast Forward is a bloody nightmare. What I've discovered is that if I review the hands while still at the table (but sitting out), I can see villain names and at least make some handwritten notes - I've started sitting out at the end of my session and reviewing a few hands before I close the table. Unfortunately at this stage I cannot add any notes against the players on the software. It is a bit of a pain that if I close the table and use the hand history in the main client I can no longer see villain names - this makes the hand history rather useless in regards to anything outside of reviewing my own play. I totally get the HUDless argument and think it is a good thing we have options out there for players who want to play with a HUD and those who do not, but feel that there is a big difference between a HUD making things very easy to target the fish and get reads on regs, compared to a player who is dedicated enough to make their own notes and spend time reviewing hands to look for tells & player tendencies and manually do all the legwork to get the upper hand. So I do strongly feel that the ability to take notes should be improved, by adding that facility to the hand reviewer.
 
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Apparently party poker has a new HUD that you can use now. It cost $30. I dont know much about it because I heard it through the grapevine
 
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Apparently party poker has a new HUD that you can use now. It cost $30. I dont know much about it because I heard it through the grapevine

Can you tell us where you found this info? I was doing a quick search and cannot find anything right now.
 
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I think the ban is great. HUDs were never meant to be a part of poker. I've tried using them (for a long time) and just hated it - I wasn't playing poker anymore, I was just looking at some numbers and making decisions - I might as well have been working risk analysis in a bank. I agree with banning them site-wide though: I don't mind if a website wants to allow them, in which case everybody will use them, but a website without them is great because I don't have to be worrying about being at a disadvantage just because I actually enjoy playing poker.

Imagine in golf if you could just put on an eyepiece and it would show you all the statistics and forces and angles involved in your shot or the same in pool/snooker - it would ruin the game because now everybody can just instantly make optimal decisions as long as they know how to interpret the data.

I'll be switching to PartyPoker as soon as I have enough time to start playing again!
 
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Partypoker has defended its recent software update following pressure from some sectors of the community.
Partypoker Defends Decision to Protect Newbies from Evil HUDs
hi hi
i very upset with this change of policy
i am serious learn poker, to get better no lose all the time... i need study the hands i have played, look for leaks, examine action etc, etc
i wish study how i have played a premium pair UTG etc etc, i need all those statistics
i like my coach look at my database of hands last week and give me pointers from what he see

so it not just about HUDS, which are useless without THOUSANDS of hands data on an opponent
 
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Huds are miss-leading, I seldom use mine these days.
 
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I have no problem with that. I love my feel for the game and I do not need any help. So I learned in the live game.
 
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Can you tell us where you found this info? I was doing a quick search and cannot find anything right now.



I believe it was called party caption. You can buy it for $30 for a 30 year licence
 
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I believe it was called party caption. You can buy it for $30 for a 30 year licence


After taking a look at the info page, it appears this is not something PartyPoker is selling. It is a private party.

Edit - upon looking at the information page a little closer, aside from no affiliation with partypoker, the highlighted link near the bottom of the bulleted points lead you to a 2+2 comment made in 2016.
 
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Imagine in golf if you could just put on an eyepiece and it would show you all the statistics and forces and angles involved in your shot or the same in pool/snooker - it would ruin the game because now everybody can just instantly make optimal decisions as long as they know how to interpret the data.

Or imagine, that you had instruments in your car telling your speed, the engine revs, the engine temperature, how much fuel is left, or when your car need a service. It would completely ruin the fun of driving. (End of sarcasm).
 
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I do not think they're going to reach PS with that mentality.
 
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Disagree 100%. Especially with their additional decision to get rid of hand histories. How will they even enforce this?
 
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I've never used a HUD but not because I'm against them, just haven't been able to arrange a replacement computer and buy the software yet.

I'm not overly bothered that I'm playing against people with HUD's, it adds extra sweetness to winning and the better my opponents are, the more I improve.

This being said, I think I will register at partypoker now and see what it's like.

My main question; isn't partypoker owned by stars? Surely it's weird having different rules at sites owned by the same company? [emoji848]

Or imagine, that you had instruments in your car telling your speed, the engine revs, the engine temperature, how much fuel is left, or when your car need a service. It would completely ruin the fun of driving. (End of sarcasm).


A) The two aren't really comparable.

B) Older, more mechanical cars with less software are waaaaay more fun to drive than the PC's-on-wheels rolling off production lines these days*.


*With the possible exception of Tesla's..
 
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I've tried using a HUD and didn't really care for them. At the time, I didn't care about other people using them. But, upon reflection, my thoughts have changed. online poker is supposed to be a substitute for live poker. Your skill and ability is based upon YOU and your ability to play, observe your opponents, identify situations and evaluate game play. You would not be allowed to use any type of electronic device in a live poker room. So, I support the ban of HUDs. I think the people claiming that pros need them to play a whole bunch of tables at once is a load. There are plenty of other options such as sitting in higher stakes games. Once again, they would not be allowed to multi-table in live venues. Yet, they can still do that to the best of their OWN abilities online. I also agree with the opinion (maybe posted in this thread, but if not, in others I have read related to HUDs) that HUDs can retard a players growth and development as a player. They learn to use the software instead of learning to read their opponents, especially people who are multi-tabling.

I am not against players being allowed access to their hand histories and having software that evaluates their play. This aids growth and development and is not really different from other study options available.
 
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I also agree with the opinion (maybe posted in this thread, but if not, in others I have read related to HUDs) that HUDs can retard a players growth and development as a player.

The main way to grow and develop as a player is to review your game away from the table. Which for online players is done by collecting your hand histories with a tracker such as PT4 or HM2 and look for potential leaks or misplayed hands.

This is no longer possible at PartyPoker, since they have gotten rid of hand histories, which also mean, that people can not as easily share hands in a forum like this and get feedback from other players.

The result is, that players at PartyPoker will stagnate and not develop compared to players at other sites. Which is also the stated intention of PartyPoker. They dont want players to be to good, because that discourage new players, or at least so is the ideology behind these moves.
 
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My main question; isn't partypoker owned by stars?

No the two sites have different owners.


A) The two aren't really comparable.

To me they are comparable. When you drive a car, it would also be possible to manually gauge your speed by looking out the window and the engine revs by listening to your engine, but why would you want to?

B) Older, more mechanical cars with less software are waaaaay more fun to drive than the PC's-on-wheels rolling off production lines these days*.

This is true, but even old cars have basic instruments like a speedometer and in some models a rev counter to assist the driver.
 
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