Hustler Casino Live Controversy

[10gerka]

I saw the live broadcast, and the hand that Garrett and Robbi had was tremendous, a crazy hand, the inexplicable thing about this is that this player called with a hand that did not win even Garrett's bluffs, paid more than 100k, that's why Garrett's face is a poem when he showed her the hand, what happened next is history, everyone knows how this ended.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

Want to know who has mirrored everything I said from the outset? Doug Polk.

OK. I'm noticing a pattern here.

You take the known pros' opinions as gospel.

Why would I care about Doug Polk's take?
I can think for myself

Actually, after watching his video, I can see he's very biased, taking Garrett's side cause he's been cheated before by an amateur on PS. The video is pure confirmation bias. "Oh, she did that, the cheater also did that"

After two days, I'm yet to see an actual piece of evidence that she cheated.

Cause in order to out her as a cheater in front of everyone and later on Twitter, Garrett should've shown proof, which he didn't.

That's why his behaviour is unaceptable.

That's exactly what is missing in all those analysis. The human behaviour aspect.

People make dumb mistakes all the time. Especially amateurs new to High Stakes NLH. And especially a woman against a table full of men.

 

[DS3]

OK. I'm noticing a pattern here.

You take the known pros' opinions as gospel.

Why would I care about Doug Polk's take?
I can think for myself

Actually, after watching his video, I can see he's very biased, taking Garrett's side cause he's been cheated before by an amateur on PS. The video is pure confirmation bias. "Oh, she did that, the cheater also did that"

After two days, I'm yet to see an actual piece of evidence that she cheated.

Cause in order to out her as a cheater in front of everyone and later on Twitter, Garrett should've shown proof, which he didn't.

That's why his behaviour is unaceptable.

That's exactly what is missing in all those analysis. The human behaviour aspect.

People make dumb mistakes all the time. Especially amateurs new to High Stakes NLH. And especially a woman against a table full of men.

You talk of bias so I'll remind you of the first line I wrote here...

'...trust me, hours later I still do not have a firm opinion'.

I have not once implied let alone stated she cheated, what I have underlined however that her story keeps changing.

I'll quote myself again regarding Doug Polk...

'Polk actually concludes that he believes she likely cheated but is not 100% sure and asks people to be objective'.

I have also stated that Garret is putting himself in a bad position...

'Don't get me wrong, Garrett is going to look dreadful if he keeps maintaining she cheated...but, she is has not helped herself at times'.

What you are doing, it seems, is not reading what I am saying, but what you think I am saying. That's ironic in terms of the situation we are discussing - leaping to conclusions. So for instance, you have not bothered or been able to supply clips of Garrett losing his cool for example. Which is because Garrett is calm and (as many say) gentlemanly at the table. But once again, I do not care if Garrett trashes his reputation by overreacting - I am not a tween crushing on Harry Styles- if he lost the plot, so be it.

That said, my main gripe with Robbi is she can't stop revising her story and avoids direct answers. Having said multiple times I am not convinced she cheated, I will, again, point out why I think she is a BS artist. I actually bothered to listen to the part of Joey Ingrams podcast where she came on line for about 45 minutes with a ten minute revisit later. I made notes where (as others spotted) she made questionable or contradictory statements in ten areas with some of them just irrelevant. That leads me to believe she has something of a compulsion to misrepresent in general. For example.

Robbi comes on stream and says she was new to poker and essentially started playing during the pandemic. The problem being as Doug Polk pointed out (slightly off at a decade) she has a Hendon Mob profile which dates back to 2015. Why the BS regarding that? Then she later claims that she has been a bio-tech executive for 20 odd years. This is where thing get amusing. Searching for Robbi Lew's age is a little difficult as she appears to fudge this as well as all I could find was between 30 and 32, or 30 and 35. Which led some wag to ask if that meant she started in the bio-tech industry at 15?

Robbi admitted that yes, she was friends/partners with RIP, but was not pushed by Ingram on why they had not disclosed this. Then it was unclear what piece he had of her (it is thought to be 100% with them going 50/50 on profits). Though she Tweeted Garrett had threatened her, it turns out that she felt the 'atmosphere was threatening', Garrett did not threaten her or demand she repay him the money. Then there was further confusion about her hand and then she claimed she even had to ask Ryan Feldman if she checked her cards after saying repeatedly she had not. It was timed by several as a 17 second check of her holding.

I then even bothered to listen to about 20 minutes or so of Nick Vertucci waffling around the matter and saying little more than Hustler was going to bring in independent investigators to look at the recent streams. Earlier there seem to have been some fluff about a big announcement that Hustler had 'identified' something taking place on the stream, but Vertucci would not be drawn further so I am not sure that was anything more than an attempt to blow the situation up further.

So, to be crystal. I am not convinced Robbi cheated but am convinced she possesses a flexi-truth approach to life. It probably has been inconsequential to date, until it emerged on a live stream watched by tens of thousands. I am not bothered whether Hustler clears her or not as I think Hustler walk a fine line between regulating their players and wanting another situation to blow up. Vertucci actually claimed on the podcast that they don't have time to vet people properly, so if they show with a big bankroll, they get to play.

Regarding Garrett, either he comes with some hard evidence or he is going to look petty. As I have already said, those two need to sort it out amicably or they are both going to look bad.

 

[shanest]

will have to rewatch it. gotta think she had J3. she loses to 80% of garretts bluffs if she called with J4

 

[Shells]

Also, CardsChat has its own article on this, too! A video is included.

Garrett Adelstein Accuses Player of Cheating on ‘Hustler Casino Live’​

 

[MattRyder]

It was one hand of poker. “She” called with an over card. It was 50/50. “She” won twice. “He” got upset. “She” must have cheated. Really?

How many times have I played a combo draw aggressively and lost? I usually do.

Was it likely he was playing the very cards that he had? It wasn’t that unlikely.

Did she have a perfect read on him? Could be.

My take - get over it.

 

[ratbat615]

Wow 🤩 in my opinion she was under the influence of something cause she was making mistakes all night so what she did was not that Weird you can make arguments for both sides sorry I mean all three sides some people think she was cheating some people say it was a hero call and I say it was a mistake.she was under the influence obviously 🙄.ps if you put the villain 🦹‍♀️ on 56s 78s or even 9ts and trust in your read you can make the call but I am not at that level yet but soon.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

So for instance, you have not bothered or been able to supply clips of Garrett losing his cool for example. Which is because Garrett is calm and (as many say) gentlemanly at the table. But once again, I do not care if Garrett trashes his reputation by overreacting - I am not a tween crushing on Harry Styles- if he lost the plot, so be it.

Haha. There is so much to talk about this.

Who are you? A professor giving an assignment? Unless I submit the papers am I going to fail your class?

One basic thing about human behaviour is that people act way differently in front of a camera. Politicians and celebs are masters when it comes to play a character.

You seem very fascinated by how "gentlemanly" (your words) Garrett acts during the streams.

So tell me if a guy with this good reputation will decide to lose his temper and show his true colors at the table during the livestream or will he do that privately in front of the least number of people possible.

Another thing, Berkey said that he had an conversation with the producers of the show and Ryan said that the idea of giving the money back came from Garrett not Robbi. So Garrett lied on twitter.

 

[TeUnit]

I think she cheated, and I think she is very bad at cheating. I am guessing someone hacked the feed and somehow signaled her that she had the winning hand.

 

[Shells]

It is good to keep the discussion going whether we agree or disagree with others' opinions so keep it civil. This topic is one of those that can offer differences of opinion.

Reminder: Insults and name-calling among members will not be tolerated in this thread or anything CardsChat.

 

[smallfrie]

Why did you give the money back? Do you want this to go away? Do you want to stop an investigation by quickly giving the money back? Are you just a nice person (give me a break) that doesn't want to keep the money you won "fair and square" because the loser is upset? Who gave you the money to play at these stakes?

I can think of many more questions.

Someone needs to confront the person or people that gave her the money to start playing in these games.

 

[redline0004]

I’m leaning toward her cheating. The vibration, the object in her pants, the drink on the table, the excuses why she called and her giving his money back doesn’t make sense. She played completely different the 1st time she was on HCL compared to the last 2 times she played. But the 1st time she played the drink wasn’t on the table but the last 2 times she played there was one. I hope it is true that she didn’t cheat but the evidence is leaning toward she did. My personal opinion is that HCL can’t prove if she cheated or not but she will most likely be not invited back.

 

[Poker Orifice]

It was a shocking call, maybe she misread her hand. I will refrain from calling it cheating, like many others are doing on Twitter. I would prefer to see the whole session to see how she played overall, if you were to pick a spot to cheat, that was not it. Seems like she was bullied into giving the money back too.

how often do you misread your hand when you take time... you re-check your cards... and you're calling off $100k? (I don't think I've called off $10 by accident)

 

[Poker Orifice]

I wanna believe she expressed herself bad, and she really thought its kinda a bluff. Of course if you have huge money to play with not meaning you can actually be a profitable player on the fields, and this lady seems for me that she knew how to play, although in some moments she is insecure and getting to lost. After that very poor showdown she has been directly and instant accused for cheating, and it just freezed her, and my point is that she can easily be under the affects of adrenaline, beating her opponent with the most badass card... however starting to realise that her hand was not a bluff-catcher, and she is accused for this.

All-in-all its a very rare outplay which should not be judged from the poker community, especially for those, who cannot even enter to a toutnament like this. Don't bully her please.

I wanna attach a video - where two tragic combinations met each other. Of course the party is different in a way, mainly if we see how the actions were lay down, but still similar for me - bluff catching without any hand-rate.

It's not a tournament. Try watching Doug Polk's video on this situation... you might think differently.

 

[Poker Orifice]

He showed himself a ;loser and a bully From what i hear she gave him his money back which is a real shame . He played dumb and she called him he lost if he cant take losing that much he shouldn't buy in for so much. What if she saw a tell how would it be any different / no one should ever have to explain why they did what they do in a game. She should have just said i saw you do that thing that you do when you are bluffing and i say that you where on the DRAW SO I GAMBLED.

Not sure how you figured that Garrett played 'dumb'?

 

[EarnDAStack]

I'm heavily leaning towards her having cheated but I think unfortunately it's going to take some kind of smoking gun type find to ever prove it. The call is out right insane. I don't think the argument of she's just a fish whatever... Is she literally at the table with $130,000 and she's worse than the average 5NL player on ACR.

"Yeah this happens all the time in private home games"

Does it? I haven't heard of too many spots where some air head runs up $500,000 in cash games on 3 live streams under odd circumstances. Variance is crazy, but so is the extent humans will go to to make money. She is worse than my friends I went to high school with who haven't played poker for years and she's trying to tell us she's a student of the game and her husband saying she's up until 4 and 5 in the morning studying poker books and TV like that's how you get good at poker in 2022. Never heard a single mention of a solver and she's a student of the game?

It reeks of someone who ran a scam not knowing how in depth and intricate the game it. Garrett even alluded to it when he said her face melted when he said "Millions of people are going to review this"

But as sad no smoking gun I don't think anything happens.


Cover your hole cards guys

 

[ratbat615]

Wow 🤩 in my opinion she was under the influence of something cause she was making mistakes all night so what she did was not that Weird you can make arguments for both sides sorry I mean all three sides some people think she was cheating some people say it was a hero call and I say it was a mistake.she was under the influence obviously 🙄.ps if you put the villain 🦹‍♀️ on 56s 78s or even 9ts and trust in your read you can make the call but I am not at that level yet but soon.

Mistake not 9ts

 

[DS3]

Haha. There is so much to talk about this.

Who are you? A professor giving an assignment? Unless I submit the papers am I going to fail your class?

One basic thing about human behaviour is that people act way differently in front of a camera. Politicians and celebs are masters when it comes to play a character.

You seem very fascinated by how "gentlemanly" (your words) Garrett acts during the streams.

So tell me if a guy with this good reputation will decide to lose his temper and show his true colors at the table during the livestream or will he do that privately in front of the least number of people possible.

No - the problem lies with you. If you want to cross swords in the threads then back yourself with facts rather than insinuations.

You implied I was mischaracterizing Garrett as I am a fan of his. Countless people who have watched the HCL stream know how chilled Garrett is...so if you imply otherwise, prove it. Quite simple really, as there are hundreds of hours of Garrett playing on stream. Find a blow up. Further. Garrett did not lose it during the episode at the table. Maybe he did off camera because he thought he had been cheated - but (if you are paying attention) Robbi changed her story about Garrett threatening her and demanding the money back. He didn't demand she repay him, she volunteered to do so.

Another thing, Berkey said that he had an conversation with the producers of the show and Ryan said that the idea of giving the money back came from Garrett not Robbi. So Garrett lied on twitter.

Wrong.

Berkey contended a few things which were off such as she was a novice (he never checked her Hendon Mob profile) or took in the fact that she was texting with Christian Soto on their live stream as an established player, even when Christian pointed out many pros knew her. In fact they raised her Tweet from April where she appeared to be supporting Ali Imsirovic when he had been accused of cheating. Funny that.

Regarding Garrett lying on Twitter. Really? I'll repeat, Robbi already had admitted on Ingram's podcast she suggested she repay Garrett for the hand to avoid further drama. Further she said she asked Ryan Feldman during the 'confrontation' if that would settle things and he said he was going to offer no advice and that was also confirmed by Nick Vertucci on Ingrams podcast I believe. They shook on a deal where they would both return to the table at which point RIP (Jacob) interfered (yeah, at that point no one knew they were 'partners') and lost his cool, so Garrett then said he was not returning to play under that atmosphere. Again, Robbi admitting that.

You conclusion is because I like Garrett I exempt him. I don't. I don't care if Garrett ends up looking bad because I accept things as they are -not how I want them to be. Months ago I said Jake Schindler was a real disappointment as he was outed as a cheater. Prior to that he had been my favorite US player. I have not accused Robbi of cheating but she patently has an issue with keeping her story straight. You've simply dead-ended not talking about the facts or how Robbi's narrative (out of her own mouth) keeps falling apart but rather what heel Garrett is.

All I have maintained is I know Garrett's character from watching him for the past few years and all I know of Robbi is a few streams. I'll let common sense dictate my opinion until someone proves me wrong.

 

[DS3]

I'm heavily leaning towards her having cheated but I think unfortunately it's going to take some kind of smoking gun type find to ever prove it. The call is out right insane. I don't think the argument of she's just a fish whatever... Is she literally at the table with $130,000 and she's worse than the average 5NL player on ACR.

"Yeah this happens all the time in private home games"

Lots of things do not add up. Alternative realities.

She is not a rookie - she has Hendon Mob profile which dates back to 2015 with forty entries. Further she was open that she has been working with Faraz Jaka this year as her poker coach.

Regarding spewey play - it was said she was married to a rich lawyer, but then it emerged after the debacle, RIP (Jacob) at the last stream was her (undisclosed) partner and then things got hazy (from her own account) regarding who was bankrolling her and for how much. She wasn't playing with her own money even though she claimed she was wealthy as a former bio-tech executive. Some pros claimed the deal was RIP staked her 100% with a 50/50 split of any profits. She stated several parties buy pieces of her. Who knows?

I am still not convinced she cheated but my issue is the level of BS which now appears to surround her.

That said, it seem like Nick Vertucci likes the Hustler Casino Live stream doubling as reality TV, so in that vein, let's go full soap opera.

Robbi suggested playing Garrett heads up when this all blew up and I say go for it! At this point, it would be the most watched stream in poker history. just do it!

 

[dallam]

It's not a tournament. Try watching Doug Polk's video on this situation... you might think differently.

Sorry, you are right. I knew it was a cash game, and I also came from Doug Polk's video.
I could not think it differently tho, I think she wanted to show a big read on him, but she misreaded her hand in the first place. Her slow movements could be misunderstand and she is actually not that confident player at some points, and could be improved in them, or takes time to her to figure out the situations.
So its a very broken hand for sure, I rather defend her, but there's a responsibility to observe these situations, its not ours. And what the poker community has already done to her is just injustice as a person being. You can smile on that, make jokes with J4o its all okay, but saying that she is a cheater as an outsider based on only this 53-47% hand, dealed two times - without evidence is just high for me.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

back yourself with facts rather than insinuations.

You implied I was mischaracterizing Garrett as I am a fan of his.

All I have maintained is I know Garrett's character from watching him for the past few years and all I know of Robbi is a few streams. I'll let common sense dictate my opinion until someone proves me wrong.

Am I really the one bringing insinuations?

I didn't imply you were "mischaracterizing Garrett".

All I'm saying is that, as a fan, your judgment is clouded.

You're not going to find a single quote of mine saying that Garrett is not "chilled" or "gentlemanly" during the livestreams. That's pure strawman fallacy.

As I said before, people act way differently in front of a camera.

That's why, IMO, basing your conclusion on livestreams seems very naive.

Garrett wouldn't show his true colors and snap in front of his fandom.

Stuff like: " I know Garrett's character from watching him for the past few years" sounds like a fan talking about knowing her idol's character after watching a reality show.

I'm sorry, you don't know Garrett's character unless you've met him and spent time knowing him.



One last thing, you keep bringing her Hendon Mob profile as an argument. You should check that again. You will be surprised.

 

[MK_]

I think the whole thing is bad for poker.... you do not accuse people of cheating with no proof,
you do not demand your money back, you do not continue playing in the same game that you just accused someone of cheating in???, who does that ?, she called for what ever reason, she does say he allowed her to do that several times or something to that effect, maybe she was sure he had what he had, maybe she was tired of him shoving, maybe the loss was nothing to her, either way they ran it twice, he lost, the hand is over.... he behaved badly to a new player and that's bad for poker!

 

[zorro222_zorro222]

Lots of things do not add up. Alternative realities.

It really is bizarre isn't it, I have listened to her interview, her husband's interview and RIP the Cowboy's interview and there are more contradicting statements than in a bronze level freeroll BUT I am convinced more than ever that she did not cheat.
My take now is that in regards to her explaining the poker theory (that hand and previous hands she talked about), there seems to be a lot of revisionist history and she is just trying to justify her play so that it puts her poker playing ability in a better light and that's why her story kept changing, i.e. saying that she misread her hand and then later saying that she did not misread her hand, etc., etc.
Just my opinion...

Robbi suggested playing Garrett heads up when this all blew up and I say go for it! At this point, it would be the most watched stream in poker history. just do it!

100% agree, I hope this happens but considering all the legal threats made by Robbi's husband toward Garrett, I doubt it will. At least in the near future anyways.

 

[MrHachiman]

For anybody that likes to see interesting poker hands, you need to google a hand between Garrett and Robbi that happened a few hours ago on the Hustler Casino Live broadcast.... it's one of the craziest hands I have ever seen !!

Garrett Adelstein Accuses Player of Cheating on Hustler Casino Live Stream

Last night, Garrett Adelstein sat stunned and stupefied as tens of thousands of people watched the high-stakes specialist and livestream poker star

www.cardschat.com

After seen the entire sequence, I have to say that Garrett acted like an idiot.
Professionalism is also knowing how to lose. All of us who have played poker for a long time know how stupid it is to get mad at a recreational player for making a bad call or play. It is precisely those types of plays that make you win money in the long run.

As for the accusations that she was cheating, it seems even lower on her part to believe that the only way they can catch a combodraw is by cheating. There is no proof of this, and the most succinct proof is that she calls on Turn, when her odds were less than 50%. If she was cheating, it's still a very marginal call.

Therefore, not only that the reaction at the table has been unprofessional. But outside the table when Garret has been able to think coldly he has continued with the meaningless accusations.
And as if it could be worse, he has accepted the money back.
I can't imagine a worse loser and a more polluting type of professional than this.

Has anyone ever wondered what would happen if he won one of the rivers or both?
would she still be cheating? or would it have just been a donk-call?

 

[DS3]

It really is bizarre isn't it, I have listened to her interview, her husband's interview and RIP the Cowboy's interview and there are more contradicting statements than in a bronze level freeroll BUT I am convinced more than ever that she did not cheat.
My take now is that in regards to her explaining the poker theory (that hand and previous hands she talked about), there seems to be a lot of revisionist history and she is just trying to justify her play so that it puts her poker playing ability in a better light and that's why her story kept changing, i.e. saying that she misread her hand and then later saying that she did not misread her hand, etc., etc.
Just my opinion...

100% agree, I hope this happens but considering all the legal threats made by Robbi's husband toward Garrett, I doubt it will. At least in the near future anyways.

Absolutely agree.

I am getting to the point where I think it is not worth my effort - it's just another scandal/click bait episode which gathers views but not a lot else. And I do not think these exposes benefit poker in any way.

I watched Doug Polk's second update. He was yet 90% she cheated but offers no evidence. I still don't necessarily agree but he raised a few points.

The first being (as detailed) on the live stream she twice denies, after being asked by other players, if she has a three as the hand plays out in real time. That 'I thought I had a three' became a post blow up construct.

What really bugged me today as I quickly 'reviewed' things again, was when I double checked the Hendon Mob I found the page altered. I thought I was going mad. No, Doug Polk and others confirmed it. Multiple entries were removed overnight and her entries shrank from 40 to 15. The reason given (I am not sure by whom- it does not appear the Hendon Mob) is that there were two people with the same name. Really? Two 'Robbi Jade Lews'- that is ridiculous. Nonetheless she still has over $65,000 in winnings including a $20,000 first place win in LA a month ago - yet Faraz Jaka is till calling her 'new' to the game.

I am heading to the conclusion she is something of a truth black hole and not a lot more. I am not convinced it was anything but a truly dreadful play where she wants to still claim there was at least an amount of credibility behind her call. As for stating facts, there is virtually nothing in her story, on or off the table which has remained constant. The other day Berkey was using the term occam's Razor a little ham fistedly, but...I'll use the concept myself here...the simplest explanation.

The simplest explanation to me is that she one of those people who is perennially economical with the truth. A habitual and mostly harmless liar. We have all met them and in the normal course of business we just shrug our shoulders and do not take such people seriously. The problem here is it was in a fraught situation (literally and figuratively high stakes) in front of tens of the thousands watching. Like a child caught in an embarrassing situation the default mode is to start creating a tissue of dubious facts to support a more credible position.

To boot, I find her spikey and dislikable. She was pretty acid at the table after the hand had played out and she was nasty and dismissive of Shaun Deeb on Ingam's podcast when he began by asking her what was her relationship with RIP (Jacob) etc.? She sarcastically, immediately went to the 'I don't know who you are' place as if he had no right to ask her anything, as if he was some rando who just showed on Joey's stream. Within a few minutes it was obvious she knew who he was and replied as such. Again, why the web of silly lies?

Finally, though I believe I am the first person at Cards Chat who promoted Hustler Casino Live streams at launch - the production quality was excellent - I have since tired quite a bit of Nick Vertucci as a co-founder with Ryan Feldman (who keeps a lower profile). Vertucci increasingly appears to be one of those characters that finds controversy or controversy finds him. My guess is some sort of 'scandal' will keep popping up with regularity as the cast of characters is deliberately poorly vetted. On Joey's podcast one cringe moment for me was when Vertucci said he wanted to build the stream and then sell it for tens of millions in a few years - therefore why jeopardize anything? Yet I am not aware anyone had accused Hustler of being involved in any potential cheating. That's where he went. But, he admitted that dubious folks are going to show on the stream and I am sure that suits his agenda.

Then, a day ago a Hustler surrogate claimed there would be an announcement with hours about 'something seen/identified' on the stream. Nothing materialized. It all a little too click baity at this point.