This is a discussion on Hellmuth vs Negreanu - The Challenge is on! within the online poker forums, in the Poker News and Events section; Helmut agreed to Negreanu's bet: play 50 tournaments for $ 25,000.
There doesn't appear to be a set schedule so this challenge could take up
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Hellmuth vs Negreanu - The Challenge is on!
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Hellmuth vs Negreanu - The Challenge is on!
Helmut agreed to Negreanu's bet: play 50 tournaments for $ 25,000.
There doesn't appear to be a set schedule so this challenge could take up to a year to complete - even with the high stakes games played a couple of times a month at the Aria in Las Vegas. Phil H. has stated he will begin playing as soon as he is ready since they are in the midst of a pandemic he will likely wait till he has received his vaccine then return to the live tables.
I just felt it worthwhile to link to the 'No Gamble, No Future" podcast outside of the News Update above.
3 minutes in Negreanu and Helmuth start arguing with each and do not stop for an hour. Platt and Hanks let them go at it. Funniest thing I have seen in ages.
The argument explains how Helmuth agreed to a prop bet to play 50 Aria 25K high rollers where Helmuth has to show a profit to win $400,000 - separate and nothing to do with their High Stakes Duel coming up.
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I am somewhat on the fence with this one or to be precise, ambivalent.
Negreanu has just come from a months long duel with Polk during which he was coached and should have really upped his game. He also made a good argument in that Helmuth largely succeeds because he does not put himself into situations where variance evens out over time - and the people that Helmuth have defeated failed to adjust for Helmuth's game in the short term.
The problem being (which Negreanu underlines) is this duel will be over three relatively short handed sessions. It can go either way -but it will be embarrassing if Helmuth comes out on top.
Regarding the prop bet of Helmuth playing 50 x 25K Aria High Rollers ( its a 2 to 1 bet where he wins 440k if he profits, if not he pays Negreanu 200K) my guesss is he will sort of slide out of it. The high rollers are held every weekend, but my guess is Helmuth will not show with any regularity meaning it could take years to resolve with Helmuth hoping everyone forgets about it.
This sounds like a fun matchup, these are 2 guys that I started watching during the poker boom. Must be nice for them to have that kind of money to throw around eh .
Yes I agree these guys are part of the reason for the overall popularity of Hold'em, going to be a fun contest but would bet on Negraneau to come out on top...Thinking before playing defeats aggressiveness and bluffing...it's not always true that "Bull Shit baffles Brains"
I love Negreanu and Hellmuth because of his hot-headed nature, they are definitely two very strong players with a lot of experience. In my eyes, Daniel Negreanu remains the funniest poker player in the world
How do I think this crazy bet will end? Easy - it won't.
I've seen so many of these over the years that never end or get called off before 1/2 way complete (either because one party got so deep in the red, they forfeited or both parties never agreed to schedule more games)
So with that being said and both players being publicity whores - I'd chalk it up to another random measurement of egos that will never be final.
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Interesting in a manner.
I detailed the fiasco that the stream was (first open to all then taken behind a paywall that had technical difficulties) on another thread.
But I then caught up with the breakdown of play, the key hands and how the match had turned around.
First, I can't say I like either of them too much but Helmuth was yet again cringeworthy pre-match berating both Negreanu and then Nick Shulman (?). Then the match got underway and frankly it was a boring grind for the first 1 1/2 hours before it got taken 'off air' behind the paywall. I then tried to watch blind with Joey Ingram but he gave up after 3 hours.
Around that time was when Helmuth started chipping back up. I would have preferred Negreanu to win following the pre-match crap from Helmuth but Negreanu is his own worst enemy. Since playing Polk he has been fronting like he has morphed into a GTO whizz. That's absurd regardless. However, I always feel like Negreanu sharpens his game up occasionally then sooner rather than later reverts to type... and it just feels from the match breakdown, when holding a convincing lead he just took his foot off the gas, played a casual game and paid the price.
Which lets face it is pretty embarrassing for Negreanu.
I gave in and signed up to a month of poker go to watch it. They got me, lol! I thought it was so entertaining and I love them both, but did anyone else think there was a lot of calling preflop and checking and not much aggression overall? I found that part a bit shocking, but I'm use to playing the micros, lol! I guess nobody wanted to inflate the pot.
It's interesting looking at Phil's Hendon Mob (link below), there aren't a lot of cashes over $10K and very few of them in the past three years. It would be interesting to know if people are prop betting this and what odds are being offered on Phil completing this, let alone winning the bet.
I loved round 2 last night! Very entertaining and I thought the plays were much better, and more interesting, than round one. Wow, Hellmuth pulled off some great bluffs, really impressive. His nitty image helps him get away with a lot, lol! Daniel did a great one as well, but I felt Hellmuth really milked it. Love to see it! In my opinion, one thing a computer can't really do so well is tell if someone is weak or strong, and that's a skill both of these players have in spades, ha ha. I guess poker go got me for another month subscription.