Help needed- got 2 accounts on PS and want to cash out- can i?

[zachvac]

First off you broke like a million rules here. That said, your best shot (and the most legal compared to these other "solutions" that only compound the problem) is to email pokerstars support. Ask them to change your details, don't say anything else. Just ask them to change your address to [whatever it is now] and name, DOB, etc.

And next time don't break the rules and expect to be bailed out. Even if you try this one most likely it's not going to work because it'll be obvious that you broke their terms to play in freerolls you weren't allowed to play in, but please don't do something stupid like create a 3rd account and don't chip dump, use the transfer if anything, chip dumps are so easily detectable.

 

[zachvac]

Actually just transfer it to me, I'll send it to you (sarcasm, please don't actually do this).

 

[Guittars]

well, my two pence worth, try some honesty.

contact pokerstars and explain the situation. Think of it as AK vs 55 - you're probably about a 50-50 chance to get your money.

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[Guittars]

actually, have just read this thread:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/i-ripped-off-pokerstars-108246/

and it seems as though honesty is definitely the right way to go.

you may even be 60-40 now.

gl

G

 

[cardfetish]

Not only did he break the law and the rules, he got his mom involved...did anyone read that he made an account in her NAME? If he gets caught, it will fall on her as well......what an ass

 

[momoney2]

Quite honestly, I think you royally screwed yourself on this one.
No sympathy here as you shouldn't have opened a poker account while underage in the first place.
To be young and naive, glad I'm not there.

I didn't read all the replies, but this one caught my attention because I totally agree with the response. I would even be a little more heavy handed.
Let's see:

1. You cheated and began playing on-line poker when you were underage on your mom's account.
2. You cheated and set up a fictious second account with false information.
3. You cheated and entered freeroll tournaments that you had NO right in entering as they were NOT for the country in which you live. NOR could you claim that you were a US-citizen living abroad.

So, to me I see 3 strikes and you're out. I guess the old adage of "Cheaters never win" will hopefully apply here. You do not deserve to receive any of your ill-gotten gains.
Hopefully this will be a somewhat inexpensive lesson for you.

 

[AlexeiVronsky]

I don't see how he was cheating as far as poker goes, he was obviously misrepresenting himself, but he presumably didn't artificially manipulate odds, play multiple accounts in the same tournament, or collude. If you go into a live poker room and tell them that you're 385 years old and live in chile and your name is Mary Poppins, then play poker is that cheating? While some people may think it's wrong playing in a tournament intended for people from another country, IMHO I think discriminating against people based on their nationality (or age for that matter) is f'ed up.

 

[zachvac]

I don't see how he was cheating as far as poker goes, he was obviously misrepresenting himself, but he presumably didn't artificially manipulate odds, play multiple accounts in the same tournament, or collude. If you go into a live poker room and tell them that you're 385 years old and live in Chile and your name is Mary Poppins, then play poker is that cheating?

Well he was playing illegally, it's more like going into the casino with a fake ID. He was underage and it's illegal for people underage to play. While I still maintain the law should be that if you're old enough to spend money on candy, you should be able to spend your money on poker, the law doesn't agree with me and the law is that what he did is downright fraud.

While some people may think it's wrong playing in a tournament intended for people from another country, IMHO I think discriminating against people based on their nationality (or age for that matter) is f'ed up.

But it's perfectly within their rights to do this as a company, and they don't have to ask for your opinion. Circumventing this is illegal and again, fraud.

 

[AlexeiVronsky]

Right it's fraudulent but it's not cheating, the game's still fair. If he was using a superuser account than I'd be pissed.

 

[dweezel]

Where's EL KA-BONG when you need him ?

No sympathy here

Email support and take your lumps dude.

 

[pokerchris]

1. You cheated and began playing on-line poker when you were underage on your mom's account.
2. You cheated and set up a fictious second account with false information.
3. You cheated and entered freeroll tournaments that you had NO right in entering as they were NOT for the country in which you live. NOR could you claim that you were a US-citizen living abroad.

Cheating means that someone takes an unfair advantage. He didn’t take any unfair advantage here.

 

[oakie]

well it looks like i have created somewhat of a debate here with this thread. Most of you feel i should burn in hell for my horrific crimes, some others had some good input.

well in a week im at $800 (from nothing, i won $28 in a freeroll). So im going to cash out $500 so we will soon see if i get the money or not. For those of you who seem to think im a decendant of hitler im putting it towards my car insurance which will be almost £1500 (and im the bad guy?). It wont go towards funding terrorist activities as you seem to expect me to.

I just like playing poker, im not good enough/confident enough to deposit yet so i play in freerolls with a hope to make a bankroll and try the chris ferguson rules.

To everyone who has slated me, why? do you feel big? do you feel superior? i asked for help, it does say in the original question. If you dont agree thats fine, it wasnt a good idea which was why i asked a question in the first place. I see the forum as a place where we share wins, losses and problems, to get support from each other.

Thank you for reading, my virtual friends

 

[Inscore77]

Come on guys, the kid made a mistake, and I think he has learned from it. Please stop flaming him, and just help him out

 

[pantin007]

well it looks like i have created somewhat of a debate here with this thread. Most of you feel i should burn in hell for my horrific crimes, some others had some good input.

well in a week im at $800 (from nothing, i won $28 in a freeroll). So im going to cash out $500 so we will soon see if i get the money or not. For those of you who seem to think im a decendant of hitler im putting it towards my car insurance which will be almost £1500 (and im the bad guy?). It wont go towards funding terrorist activities as you seem to expect me to.

I just like playing poker, im not good enough/confident enough to deposit yet so i play in freerolls with a hope to make a bankroll and try the chris ferguson rules.

To everyone who has slated me, why? do you feel big? do you feel superior? i asked for help, it does say in the original question. If you dont agree thats fine, it wasnt a good idea which was why i asked a question in the first place. I see the forum as a place where we share wins, losses and problems, to get support from each other.

Thank you for reading, my virtual friends

no one said u were anything like hitler etc, u saying that makes me think ur an idiot
all we are saying is that u broke the T&C and because of tha u should pay the consequences, its nothing of us not liking u, if it had happened to me i would hope for ppl to say to me what they said to u {except telling u how to get the money out} what would society be if it didnt have rules?how would it be if u didnt follow those rules?society would crumble
there was a rule in place and u didnt follow it, i dont wont to see u lose out but in a situation like this, u should

further note, can this be locked, it puts a bad taste in some people's mouths

 

[zachvac]

It's stealing, plain and simple. A super-user account is taking it away from others using poker cheats, changing details to seem like you're from other countries is stealing from those who the money should have rightfully gone to.

 

[pokerchris]

It's stealing, plain and simple. A super-user account is taking it away from others using poker cheats, changing details to seem like you're from other countries is stealing from those who the money should have rightfully gone to.

Almost all poker players are thieves by natural, they steal blinds and they steal others chips by bluffing. There is the saying “Don’t believe what a poker player tells you”.

 

[zachvac]

Almost all poker players are thieves by natural, they steal blinds and they steal others chips by bluffing. There is the saying “Don’t believe what a poker tells you”.

Umm, stealing blinds is a term which is a legal move in poker. Stealing money is illegal, he played in a freeroll he had no right to enter and won money that should have been someone else's. That's illegal, no matter which way you put it.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

There is the saying “Don’t believe what a poker tells you”.

I would probably never believe what a poker tells me - but then, I've never known a poker that could talk!

 

[dj11]

Heres a fresh idea.

Assuming OP has turned legal age, and wants to play at stars.

Contact stars and offer to donate money to the charity of their choice, if they help you straighten things out, and leave you with say $25 (perhaps even with a new account bonus). The donation is in your name though. So it could be a write-off.

Come clean young man. Life is complicated enough without having to bookkeep your lies.

 

[pokerchris]

Umm, stealing blinds is a term which is a legal move in poker. Stealing money is illegal, he played in a freeroll he had no right to enter and won money that should have been someone else's. That's illegal, no matter which way you put it.

He won the money by playing not just by entering. If PS thinks he was stealing other’s money he would be banned right away.

 

[Tygran]

Yeah... I read through this and feel dirty or something now.

Can we lock it?

OP's response a few posts up didn't really help his image here. Man up and admit you screwed up, broke rules and laws and are looking for a way to cheat the system. You get called on it and are acting like those calling you are a bunch of holier-than-thous.. they aren't. Noone has called you hitler and I couldn't care less what you are using the money for.

Somebody (JQ?) made a great point... Underage people like you doing things like this are giving the anti-poker community in the US particularly more ammunition and they really don't need it.


Simple black and white facts: You broke the rules and now don't want to get penalized for doing so. Man up and admit it.

FWIW I think the best advice is to call pokerstars and come clean... because 1) it's the right thing to do and 2) it's quite possibly the best chance you have at actually seeing any of your cash ever.

 

[zachvac]

He won the money by playing not just by entering. If PS thinks he was stealing other’s money he would be banned right away.

Playing in a game he could not legally enter. If for example a man enters the wsop female event and is exposed, would they still give them the prize he won? And this is a buy-in tournament, the point of the freeroll is to attract people from a certain country, and he's denying a spot as well as taking money to those from that country who would have won it instead. This not only hurts the potential member(s) that would have gotten his money but also hurts stars because it doesn't get the extra business, which is rake. They made rules and the OP broke them, illegally enterring a freeroll event specifically for other people, the OP not part of that group.

 

[pokerchris]

Playing in a game he could not legally enter. If for example a man enters the WSOP female event and is exposed, would they still give them the prize he won? And this is a buy-in tournament, the point of the freeroll is to attract people from a certain country, and he's denying a spot as well as taking money to those from that country who would have won it instead. This not only hurts the potential member(s) that would have gotten his money but also hurts stars because it doesn't get the extra business, which is rake. They made rules and the OP broke them, illegally enterring a freeroll event specifically for other people, the OP not part of that group.

We are talking about if it's stealing other's money or not. Not if it would hurt PS marketing strategy. By the way, I can’t even change the country in my PS account personal info. If PS let him change his country in his personal info, don’t blame players who change it.

 

[pokerchris]

If for example a man enters the WSOP female event and is exposed, would they still give them the prize he won? And this is a buy-in tournament,

Phil Gordon and some his friends actually played in at least one women's poker buy-in tournament. If it's stealing other's money, he and his friends would have been in jail.

 

[zachvac]

We are talking about if it's stealing other's money or not. Not if it would hurt PS marketing strategy. By the way, I can’t even change the country in my PS account personal info. If PS let him change his country in his personal info, don’t blame players who change it.

Umm, people can move. They make it possible, but not legal. By changing the info he is effectively saying that he lives in that country. That is fraud and a felony IIRC. And it's not whether it would hurt the stars marketing strategy, it's if he's breaking rules he promised to follow and taking money away from pokerstars and other members who actually follow the rules.