it has been a lot of time since i start playing poker , but i have a question in mind . Besides not been able to see your opponents faces , and emotions . What are the other differences between Online poker and real ??

In general the players online are better, often tighter, usually more aggressive and uses a lot programs like HUDs to assist their game.

They also multi-table and are less social. The chat nowadays is often used rarely.

Originally Posted by pentazepam

In general the players online are better, often tighter, usually more aggressive and uses a lot programs like HUDs to assist their game.

They also multi-table and are less social. The chat nowadays is often used rarely.

You said it in a nut shell. online players that are killing it use software so that explains why they do so poorly in live play. You can always tell online poker players right away. Keeping up with stacks and proper betting practices that online players are not accustom too. Tell me the online players who won a bracelet. only a couple

Online, I do better in tournaments, but not so great at cash games. In a Casino, I do better at cash games, but not so great in tournaments. ( Although, I'm still up in Casino tournaments, because of a first place I took ).

Originally Posted by bigpappa325

YTell me the online players who won a bracelet. only a couple

Actually I'm sure there are more than a couple... more like a COUPLE HUNDRED that is.

Take the WSOP Player of the Year for example.
This year battling in contention for Player of the Year ... currently sitting in 2nd place is Shaun Deeb. In 2018 he won Player of the Year.

In 2016 there were two very prominent online MTT regulars in the Top 5 - - Paul Volpe in 2nd, & James Obst in 4th

In 2017, half of the Top 10 in standings for WSOP Player of the Year award were prominent online MTT regulars, including the likes of Mike Leah in 4th (goleafsgoeh), Kenny Hallaert in 6th (SpaceyFCB), & Alex Foxen in 7th.

Your comment here regarding online players shows how far out of touch you actually are.
Why not embrace variance? And why not give online poker a good try and go and beat those inexperienced online players?

Most pros who play online are sponsored by the sites and dont even use there own money. Not saying some of them wasnt good but..

Online and live are 2 completely different beast. I have played both for over 12 years an i can tell you you will not see in weeks of live play what you will see in one sit n go as far as bad beats go and horrible play being rewarded. Just have to learn (which is hard for me) to play much looser online as the programs are made to keep the donks playing. If they actually programmed them as close to live poker you wouldnt see many donks playing and sites wouldnt be operating with only fair to good players.
Others experience may vary but that is my experience and thoughts with 12 years in on both

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Actually I'm sure there are more than a couple... more like a COUPLE HUNDRED that is.

Take the WSOP Player of the Year for example.
This year battling in contention for Player of the Year ... currently sitting in 2nd place is Shaun Deeb. In 2018 he won Player of the Year.

In 2016 there were two very prominent online MTT regulars in the Top 5 - - Paul Volpe in 2nd, & James Obst in 4th

In 2017, half of the Top 10 in standings for WSOP Player of the Year award were prominent online MTT regulars, including the likes of Mike Leah in 4th (goleafsgoeh), Kenny Hallaert in 6th (SpaceyFCB), & Alex Foxen in 7th.

Your comment here regarding online players shows how far out of touch you actually are.
Why not embrace variance? And why not give online poker a good try and go and beat those inexperienced online players?

I didn't say they couldn't win events. I didn't say they definitely have higher numbers of players switching over. Lets face it the numbers are much higher of online players. How many won the the WSOP championship?
Wasn't Money Maker the beginning of online players making it into the live realm? 2003. How many have won the main event?

Look i prefer my live play over the online. Sounds like your opposite. Nothing wrong with that. I'll never be the poker pro i guess you are but I'm very happy at my position. My 15/30 800 buy in on Saturdays is good enough. Ive watched many of men run for the dream of living on poker do great in the beginning only to be down and out couple of years later. If that long. But thanks for your response and peace be with you my friend.

Originally Posted by bigpappa325

I didn't say they couldn't win events. I didn't say they definitely have higher numbers of players switching over. Lets face it the numbers are much higher of online players. How many won the the WSOP championship?
Wasn't Money Maker the beginning of online players making it into the live realm? 2003. How many have won the main event?

Look i prefer my live play over the online. Sounds like your opposite. Nothing wrong with that. I'll never be the poker pro i guess you are but I'm very happy at my position. My 15/30 800 buy in on Saturdays is good enough. Ive watched many of men run for the dream of living on poker do great in the beginning only to be down and out couple of years later. If that long. But thanks for your response and peace be with you my friend.

How could you consider the value of winning 'ONE' tournament over players who are consistently doing well in tournaments.... (I used WSOP tourneys as this is what you had referred to) on the highest levels of live play today? Wouldn't consistent placings, putting a player in Top 10 for example of Player of the Year race (WSOP) have more relevance then winning just ONE tourney?

BUT.. fwiw, 'Joe Cada' won the 2009 WSOP Main Event. He also made the final table in 2018 of the Main Event.
In 2009 & was backed by Cliff Josephy... aka JohnnyBax, another well-known online MTT regular... who has also won 2 WSOP bracelets along with a 3rd place finish in the Main Event.

bigpoppa... what you don't seem to understand is >>> the fields of Live poker tournaments are FILLED with players who are or have been Online MTT regulars. This is fact!!!

Why are you suggesting that I'm a pro? Nowhere have I made ANY mention of ANY results I have had or not had in this post. I have only been correcting some of the comments you have made, providing you with a tiny bit of evidence to the contrary (to which there is actually oodles out there if you were to research it for yourself). I don't know why but it bothers me a bit when I read comments by members on this forum who continually attack online play (not suggesting you have been doing this here) or who suggest online players are not very good (for whatever reason they attempt to back this up with... ie software, etc.). The fact is... it is not only unwarranted but it is 100% untrue!! I'd suggest that the majority of today's best players in the world have been online regulars at one time or another.

Originally Posted by bigpappa325

Look i prefer my live play over the online. Sounds like your opposite.

You're assuming this ^ and it is also untrue!

beside the psychologically factor its the focus. online you can easier lose track of all situations. live you depend on one tournament and that pushes you most of the time to show your A game. On the other side you can beat the variance faster online with multi tabling? Dont have to be necessary if you start live with a good upswing...

Originally Posted by abwil2

Most pros who play online are sponsored by the sites and dont even use there own money. Not saying some of them wasnt good but..

UNTRUE! How many 'pros' play online? (LOTS!!!!) How many online players are there who are sponsored these days? (answer: not very many)
You do the math .......

Online and live are 2 completely different beast. I have played both for over 12 years an i can tell you you will not see in weeks of live play what you will see in one sit n go as far as bad beats go and horrible play being rewarded.

This ^ comment is merely a figment of your imagination. You can tell us this but for those of us who have actually played a few games online... we know how untrue this statement actually is.

Just have to learn (which is hard for me) to play much looser online as the programs are made to keep the donks playing. If they actually programmed them as close to live poker you wouldnt see many donks playing and sites wouldnt be operating with only fair to good players.
Others experience may vary but that is my experience and thoughts with 12 years in on both

Ok so the sites pre-program the play... so that the donks can win and will keep playing? AND.. if it were pre-programmed to be more like live play we wouldn't see many donks playing? Would this be a good thing? (the donks not playing part I mean). Personally I WANT the donks to be playing... as many as possible PLEASE!!! And, I'm not sure where you've come up with your interpretation of how the sites work but it's my belief that the cards are being dealt in real-time... there's no 'pre-programming'.. or pre-determining the outcome of such hands. I mean if it were actually like that... who in their right mind would EVER play the game???? Slots would have more skill to it than poker.
I'm guessing you do well in live games but online you keep getting donked by the donks. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Ok so the sites pre-program the play... so that the donks can win and will keep playing? AND.. if it were pre-programmed to be more like live play we wouldn't see many donks playing? Would this be a good thing? (the donks not playing part I mean). Personally I WANT the donks to be playing... as many as possible PLEASE!!! And, I'm not sure where you've come up with your interpretation of how the sites work but it's my belief that the cards are being dealt in real-time... there's no 'pre-programming'.. or pre-determining the outcome of such hands. I mean if it were actually like that... who in their right mind would EVER play the game???? Slots would have more skill to it than poker.
I'm guessing you do well in live games but online you keep getting donked by the donks. Correct me if I'm wrong.

i know your not talking to me but no i don't think the cards are pre ordained at all. I do little experiments and it has gotten me banned on a site. I believe the cards are in a system that deals with vpip. Most of my wtf moments come from players with very high. Which is normally a new or inexperienced player, i don't like the naming of donks.

Your wrong , i do enjoy online players at the live tables. they chase more and are usually more aggressive. Tonight i sat down and with in an hour i triple my buy in. I have a rule if i triple it i leave. People never understand but it got me home early enough to take the wife and kids out for dinner and a movie.
Your right about me favoring live because as much as you try and hide it body always tells. Online its just playing the odds and looking for betting weakness. Tonight it was just a smile that let me know my aces were beat. When i folded and showed my aces he asked how could i fold . i gave a bull shit story your eyes never lie. Three hands later this kid eating the table alive. His aggressiveness pushed all in when his a,k hit an ace on the flop. But so did my 8,9 suited. I watched that smile leave after his second buy in. Seems two pair never hold for me online.

So i may be biased for sure but i still enjoy the online entertainment. Who knows maybe ill get it figured out. Seems like i free roll to step five most days. Sleep well because its bed time /

Here is my theory on this issue.

I think you have to consider computer generated random dealing is far more random, superior and quicker than live random dealing generated by a live person.

Also consider the speed you need to make a decision in online poker versus live poker. Computer generated random dealing is faster and more precise than live human generated random dealing.

So considering the computer speed and accuracy random shuffling versus the live human slower speed, less accuracy and slower random shuffling, you can now see why there is more players losing in online poker than live poker.

If this is confusing to you...just think of how difficult it was for me to type this.

Happy playing either poker, online or live. Either way the number of bad beats will eventually not hurt anymore or less.

makes sense
the dealer shuffling is the variable thats not controlled properly in said experiment
HA nice post

Originally Posted by JopyJoost

Here is my theory on this issue.

I think you have to consider computer generated random dealing is far more random, superior and quicker than live random dealing generated by a live person.

Also consider the speed you need to make a decision in online poker versus live poker. Computer generated random dealing is faster and more precise than live human generated random dealing.

So considering the computer speed and accuracy random shuffling versus the live human slower speed, less accuracy and slower random shuffling, you can now see why there is more players losing in online poker than live poker.

If this is confusing to you...just think of how difficult it was for me to type this.

Happy playing either poker, online or live. Either way the number of bad beats will eventually not hurt anymore or less.

I guess the card house i play at is state of the art with the auto shuffling it uses. I did read a thread were someone said the rng is actually more random than any other source. Maybe it is maybe not. Doesn't help me either way. I guess ill keep playing the rigged live poker.

I have never played live, but I imagine that the players will have a little more shame to look like donkeys or fish, so they will take care of making some silly plays (those we all hate, the all-in with 23o that breaks your Pair of kings)

Originally Posted by jadaminato

I have never played live, but I imagine that the players will have a little more shame to look like donkeys or fish, so they will take care of making some silly plays (those we all hate, the all-in with 23o that breaks your Pair of kings)

Yes at the cash tables not to many people jump all in pre flop. That's a tourney move steal those big blinds. It happens yes, just not that often. As for all in with 3,2 off at a 15/30 we welcome those once we see how you play. Funniest thing is when they do stuff like that they feel a need to show the bluff. Not realizing the value of the info they just gave. But yes every once in a while someone wins big at the lower stakes and take a roll on over not realizing that half the table has played against each other for years sometimes. Everyone smiles and start picking. Seldom do i get very much from my poker comrades but do when giving the opportunity. Theres no friends at the poker table. But if i get your chips ill buy you a drink when we are done, nice enough.

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Ok so the sites pre-program the play... so that the donks can win and will keep playing? AND.. if it were pre-programmed to be more like live play we wouldn't see many donks playing? Would this be a good thing? (the donks not playing part I mean). Personally I WANT the donks to be playing... as many as possible PLEASE!!! And, I'm not sure where you've come up with your interpretation of how the sites work but it's my belief that the cards are being dealt in real-time... there's no 'pre-programming'.. or pre-determining the outcome of such hands. I mean if it were actually like that... who in their right mind would EVER play the game???? Slots would have more skill to it than poker.
I'm guessing you do well in live games but online you keep getting donked by the donks. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Never said the sites pre program the play. that would be impossible to know whos going to play what. I merely stated what i see and my experience.
every hand live or online once shuffled has a predetermined winner. Just depends on if that person is willing to play that hand LOL
I do i think pretty decent live. but online i just cant get past the guy who calls 4 or 5xbb with a hand i wouldnt play if in small blinds. Im not a cash player altho i will play 7 stud cash at times. Im mainly a tourny player
Just stating what i have seen in my years of play!

Originally Posted by abwil2

Never said the sites pre program the play. that would be impossible to know whos going to play what. I merely stated what i see and my experience.
every hand live or online once shuffled has a predetermined winner. Just depends on if that person is willing to play that hand LOL
I do i think pretty decent live. but online i just cant get past the guy who calls 4 or 5xbb with a hand i wouldnt play if in small blinds. Im not a cash player altho i will play 7 stud cash at times. Im mainly a tourny player
Just stating what i have seen in my years of play!

Reading this makes me think. Im really a cash player than a tourney success wise.

Originally Posted by B1731898

Online, I do better in tournaments, but not so great at cash games. In a Casino, I do better at cash games, but not so great in tournaments. ( Although, I'm still up in Casino tournaments, because of a first place I took ).

First Congratulations on your 1st place ,and for me it s same as you , i don t play a lot of cash games online , tournaments are my thing too .

Originally Posted by JopyJoost

Here is my theory on this issue.

I think you have to consider computer generated random dealing is far more random, superior and quicker than live random dealing generated by a live person.

Also consider the speed you need to make a decision in online poker versus live poker. Computer generated random dealing is faster and more precise than live human generated random dealing.

So considering the computer speed and accuracy random shuffling versus the live human slower speed, less accuracy and slower random shuffling, you can now see why there is more players losing in online poker than live poker.

If this is confusing to you...just think of how difficult it was for me to type this.

Happy playing either poker, online or live. Either way the number of bad beats will eventually not hurt anymore or less.

I agree with you , and a big thanks for your helpfully answer as i learn much from it . Positive , sometimes thoses bad beats are unbelievable lol .

Originally Posted by AKQ

makes sense
the dealer shuffling is the variable thats not controlled properly in said experiment
HA nice post

Yes , i have ideas me too about thoses things because you just will never know .

Originally Posted by jadaminato

I have never played live, but I imagine that the players will have a little more shame to look like donkeys or fish, so they will take care of making some silly plays (those we all hate, the all-in with 23o that breaks your Pair of kings)

Yeah online is very different than live , and we can explain that by the difference between sitting in person while doing the actions and sitting infront of a device .

Originally Posted by B1731898

Online, I do better in tournaments, but not so great at cash games. In a Casino, I do better at cash games, but not so great in tournaments. ( Although, I'm still up in Casino tournaments, because of a first place I took ).

NICE

Just a great big thank-you to all for replying to my post regarding the random dealing live versus online.

the big difference from on-line to live is there is no forced random, meaning everytime you have a hand so will your opponent as in forced. When playing live you don' t have to worry about the deck being forced.In real poker they don't force the action unlike online,you can't have forced and random in the same sentence putting them together is double speak for pre-determined or fixed do we not understand the english language anymore

Originally Posted by frank174

the big difference from on-line to live is there is no forced random, meaning everytime you have a hand so will your opponent as in forced. When playing live you don' t have to worry about the deck being forced.In real poker they don't force the action unlike online,you can't have forced and random in the same sentence putting them together is double speak for pre-determined or fixed do we not understand the english language anymore

So in a nut shell you are voting rigged for online?

Originally Posted by pentazepam

In general the players online are better, often tighter, usually more aggressive and uses a lot programs like HUDs to assist their game.

They also multi-table and are less social. The chat nowadays is often used rarely.

I have to contradict you here: in my opinion, the chat nowadays is rarely used often

The best part about playing in Play money tourneys is the social aspect. People n real money tourneys are just focused on making money and there is virtually no chat

The difference is I spend a lot of time yelling at my laptop online !!

You get to play a lot more hands on online poker than live poker. You also have more time to think at live casinos than online.

Talking to people. There's really no difference between online and real poker but talking to players. People play so good that an average player can't really read the emotions unless you are a former FBI agent😂 By talking to people you can get so many information about your opponents, and information is everything on the poker table.

En poker online las probabilidades son un chiste, hay algunas manos que solo piensas que es un truco del sistema. En poker live las probabilidades se cumplen mejor y lees la conducta de los demas.

The Difference I see is , You tend to see "juicer" flops online almost always. IMO. From My Experiences. 98% of the hands that fall everybody in the hand has a piece. The suckouts are unbelievable. This is why I don't invest my money into Online poker. I still don't truly trust it and actually probably never will. All the Money I have accumulated have been through Freerolls and tourneys ive paid for with the freerolls. Am I saying Online poker is a complete robbery , but until they can fully prove 100% legitimacy Ill never invest a large bankroll in it. Granted I kind of veered away from the question a little with that

i think the main differrence is that you doesnt see money you lost

only animation on screeen , so there more chance to call 7 8 unsuited in bounty tournament for example

Hi to all. Personally, I'd better play live poker. Because live poker is first and foremost live communication, and if this communication happens to your friends at the end of the work week, then this is a common concern

Personally I prefer live poker, I prefer human error when dealing cards than a computer that decides who wins and who loses regardless of the hand you have. today and due to the problem of the global pandemic, of course I prefer online, hehehehehe, but today nothing more

Online poker is much better than live imo because for example there are less maniacs that play 72o as if it was AA when they feel like it, and because one can play much more hands in a small amount of time but live that is not possible, and because you can chill and wear no cloths while playing and many more benefits.

When you play online you don't have to make unavoidable chitty chatty. If you want to sit out, you can do it casually. You can listen to music, watch, uhm, pornhub, etc.

I think that a lot, one does not perceive the nervousness, the power to interact at the moment of the bets, waiting for some signal from the opponent

Originally Posted by Chalada12

it has been a lot of time since i start playing poker , but i have a question in mind . Besides not been able to see your opponents faces , and emotions . What are the other differences between Online poker and real ??

Look, I see a lot of difference in the amount of hands that is played online, which is much bigger. It gets to be 5 X more hands ... that's good.
We will not have the tells we have live but there are many tells online too ... Online we find many more players who have no idea what they are doing, because of the ease of playing and having free games, which is more difficult to see yourself live. Players beginners make much more blatant mistakes live than online because of the online betting automations the standard in this case. It really has a lot of differences but the game is the same. GL friend!

The volume of hands per hour is enormous in online poker. Especially if you are multi-tabling. I am a better live player because of table talk. I work as a contract negotiator and reading people is something I have to do day in and day out. That transfers much better to live play than online. Online is robotic in decision making IMHO...

Originally Posted by Chalada12

it has been a lot of time since i start playing poker , but i have a question in mind . Besides not been able to see your opponents faces , and emotions . What are the other differences between Online poker and real ??

at on line poker you can´t notice if the other payers has comunication, or even if they are in the same room... on line poker can the site manager easily manage the cards and flops.. Etc

The real difference between real life and online life is great. In real life poker you can play with many cards and you can win. In online poker I think the more you give the poker site the more it weighs. This is my opinion.

I will say online and live are two different animals. With live I think hands tend to be more random. You can also get better reads on your opponents and it can be a more social game if that's your thing. When it comes to online I've found that it's a program that has to follow a set of rules that are in place. There are certain patterns you can pick up on when it comes to certain hands or spots. Also, it is tough to get a read on players. Additionally, these days many players use software to enhance their game and some of these platforms have bots. Both forms of poker have there place though.

Real life and online its a big difference , two other world's if u know yourself how to split it its wont make any problems, otherwise could be a dangerous thing.

many people treat online how fun it is but there are also people who already stop to recognize this difference

Online - alot quicker, can see chip counts easier and you can play in your underwear lol

It depends on the person, on his acting quality, in a live game there are players who know how to hide their emotions and who do not know, do not know why I do better online

The one true major difference are the live reads and tells that players give off during hands. Something we cannot spot in an online game.

The difference is significant, namely in off-line you get more information from your opponent

Originally Posted by Chalada12

it has been a lot of time since i start playing poker , but i have a question in mind . Besides not been able to see your opponents faces , and emotions . What are the other differences between Online poker and real ??

online you can play more hands per hour, more tables, and use software to get extra information about your opponents

online is typically tougher because of all this added information and the fact that people are playing from home and are in their comfort zone

when you play online there is a lot more under your control than when playing live, and so if you use everything available you can have a much bigger advantage than otherwise!