Is Online Poker Rigged?

[James_Harrison]

Here is a "thought" on the topic... I just played a game of Omaha H/L... 1 Royal and 3 quads!

Even more variance with Omaha, ive played a tiny bit. The quads i can see. The royal is still pretty sick though. lol

 

[charliej]

Why would it be rigged? To take your measly hundred bucks? With tens of thousands of players it would take an incredible amount of programming to single out one person or type of player. Not that it couldn't be done but there's enough profit from the rake as it is. I'd be more concerned with trying to get paid for any winnings, which people who claim sites are rigged probably don't have anyway. Play better!

 

[lontrus]

None of this would matter if you accept that it's your job to beat the odds.

When the odds are unfavorable at a moment, you still have one tool at your disposal that the casino cannot control, the mind game.

Master this and you won't need luck.

Go with what you believe regarding whether to play online or at casinos but at the end of the day you choose to sit at a table and if you don't like it you can find another place that's easier for you to beat.

Just stop complaining when things don't go your way and you have a chance at becoming a decent player.

 

[WSMFP1986]

I don't think so, not saying that a high limit player can't get hacked, thing to watch out for, don't let shaddy people in your house around your computers, Doug Polk has a story on YouTube about l letting some foreigner stay at his house and in sometime in a day or two he got in his computer and all of a sudden some guy started playing high stakes with him and the guy was never wrong and making these call like with 10 high that were unbelievable, anyway pokerstars frozes his account and come to find out he had done the same thing to some others, besides that most pokersites wouldn't gain anything from a rigged game, Also most people that make these claims are not that good anyway, just saying

Even more variance with Omaha, ive played a tiny bit. The quads i can see. The royal is still pretty sick though. lol

Remember that online deals way more hands in a hour than a live game, sometimes you see strong strong hands it seems way more than you should be but the odds on the deals do add up in the long run

 

[tomk7788]

I've played tournaments on Stars, FullTilt and partypoker. My ROI averaged between 70-80% on those sites. I've played on ACR of over 5 years and my ROI is -2%.

I see this quite often on the site. This guy had a VIP (67) PFR (42) and a 3Bet (60). He doubled up on a previous hand when he 3Bet with A4 and called an all in 4Bet and hit an A on the river vs QQ.

Under the gun I picked up AJ and raised 3BBs there was a caller behind me and this guy 3Bet all in and I insta called. No way I was folding to this guy. Here's the way the hand played out. Calling off 79BBs with AJ isn't something I normally do but against this guy it was a no brainer.

 

[James_Harrison]

I've played tournaments on Stars, FullTilt and PartyPoker. My ROI averaged between 70-80% on those sites. I've played on ACR of over 5 years and my ROI is -2%.

I see this quite often on the site. This guy had a VIP (67) PFR (42) and a 3Bet (60). He doubled up on a previous hand when he 3Bet with A4 and called an all in 4Bet and hit an A on the river vs QQ.

Under the gun I picked up AJ and raised 3BBs there was a caller behind me and this guy 3Bet all in and I insta called. No way I was folding to this guy. Here's the way the hand played out. Calling off 79BBs with AJ isn't something I normally do but against this guy it was a no brainer.

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Thanks for gathering the data, they will tell you that "there is a 1 in a billion chance that it will happen so it proves nothing". They will tell you that you only remember the bad beats that happen to you, even though you know in your sane mind you would never Jam the 47 offsuit with 30 bigs and donk someone out.

I truly believe goodness wins in the end there are scumbags out there, but how many get caught ? answer... tons

 

[abwil2]

Here is a "thought" on the topic... I just played a game of Omaha H/L... 1 Royal and 3 quads!

Im trying to figure out how you didnt win Hi in the second picture with quad 8s. They split the low but how in the hell is there not a stack of chips next to you for the hi win?

Im not one to say its rigged for any one person but i definitely think its set for max action. What do sites have to gain from it? EVERYTHING!! what do they have to lose? who over sees the programming of the RNG? NO ONE
Just have to fight thru the bad beats and dont get into hands that are setups or smell bad LOL

 

[James_Harrison]

Look, back when i used to play on Stars i knew someone from Texas and we used to talk alot. We were in something called PokerStars PokerSchoolOnline together. This person also played on a site called Merge gaming.

Now.. Back when this site first busted onto the scene people were looking for a fair place to play because of recent things with Full Tilt, Ultimatebet, Absolute Poker. Sites such as Lock poker and Action Poker (if action was even around back then)shut down and refused to pay us as well, so i remember people flocking to Merge and it being quite popular like ACR is today.

I remember her telling me a story about how she observed five sixes being dealt at the table and how they handled it, the excuse they gave her.

Could you imagine that ? It doesnt matter where you go, feeling abused no matter where ?

This is the way i feel today. Im not allowed to play on PokerStars because they said i opted out of sports betting and closed my account and therefor it can never be reopened. I can tell you friends that ive never ever bet on sports unless i won a free bet or something.

Stars chat mods used to come to the table and make fun of me while i was playing in their tournaments.

I had a conversation with 888 Poker trying to gain access to an old account and they told me to make a new one because "the system will just delete the old one". They denied the conversation ever took place and i was labelled a multi accounting cheater. And in their exact words i was "abusing bonuses".

I think we really need to search our hearts and use discernment here. If somehow possibly Nietzsche is wrong that might be the only reason for things is to discern...

 

[James_Harrison]

I remember seeing a video a few years ago, one of the most amazing things i have ever seen. Guy gets a royal flush in a $1 million guaranteed ACR tournament and as soon as the card is flipped the tournament gets cancelled. The look on his face tho.

 

[James_Harrison]

I dont really expect many heartfelt replies, but if i can help someone today, hey.. its not like i would be against that

 

[Gr1ndah]

i played so many hands i think i have got royal flush like 5 or 6 times, i saw all kind of boards, bad beats, player behaviour etc.

at the first years i was screaming rigged all the time but right now although im in my biggest downswing ever i say it is not rigged and if so than just a short percentage which doesn't affect us too much.

cheating is possible like playing with more player you know on the table or i can imagine that a hacker has some players live screens and they search them on cash games. why is that not possible?

the one thing i personally wondered why do i and a lot of others get the feeling that on knockout tournament the bigger stack gets lot luckier against the shortstacks. all knockout tournament i won was also by calling and winning a lot of 40% hands (of course i had to because it was like calling of 5bb but still rarely losing). Is the theory the faster people get out of a tournament the more they will play and more rake will come to the sites? What is your opinion on all that?
you dont have to take it to serious. that is just one perception of some players

 

[James_Harrison]

i played so many hands i think i have got royal flush like 5 or 6 times, i saw all kind of boards, bad beats, player behaviour etc.

at the first years i was screaming rigged all the time but right now although im in my biggest downswing ever i say it is not rigged and if so than just a short percentage which doesn't affect us too much.

cheating is possible like playing with more player you know on the table or i can imagine that a hacker has some players live screens and they search them on cash games. why is that not possible?

the one thing i personally wondered why do i and a lot of others get the feeling that on knockout tournament the bigger stack gets lot luckier against the shortstacks. all knockout tournament i won was also by calling and winning a lot of 40% hands (of course i had to because it was like calling of 5bb but still rarely losing). Is the theory the faster people get out of a tournament the more they will play and more rake will come to the sites? What is your opinion on all that?
you dont have to take it to serious. that is just one perception of some players

Im honestly a little tired of giving my honest heartfelt opinion, because when i do usually nobody responds. I respect those who dont agree with me, but to not have an open mind and say im wrong or to ignore me after asking. These are the types that i see winning poker tournaments and its fine, there is more to life than the material. The only thing is, i wouldn't want to go around telling people that this is the way to have success, going through life doing wrong. But if i honestly believed that that was the only way to have success i would not lie about it either.

 

[Gr1ndah]

Im honestly a little tired of giving my honest heartfelt opinion, because when i do usually nobody responds. I respect those who dont agree with me, but to not have an open mind and say im wrong or to ignore me after asking. These are the types that i see winning poker tournaments and its fine, there is more to life than the material. The only thing is, i wouldn't want to go around telling people that this is the way to have success, going through life doing wrong. But if i honestly believed that that was the only way to have success i would not lie about it either.

well i guess at the and only a few ones know really what is true and what is bad. I atleast had never some problems with the support but heard it a few times and why should the people lie? I believe them. At the end no one have the possibilities to really understand everything out there. We can only give our opinions on that but this probably wont help either. In my opinion I still think it is not rigged and I see the differences in different playing styles but on the other side if the next day the world reveals that everything was rigged it wouldn't be a shock or big surprise for me. I guess almost in every business in the 21th century people try to maximize profits no matter what it takes

 

[PackinPat]

I Hope not. But some days when the cards fall the other way, it sure feels like it is rigged.

 

[James_Harrison]

well i guess at the and only a few ones know really what is true and what is bad. I atleast had never some problems with the support but heard it a few times and why should the people lie? I believe them. At the end no one have the possibilities to really understand everything out there. We can only give our opinions on that but this probably wont help either. In my opinion I still think it is not rigged and I see the differences in different playing styles but on the other side if the next day the world reveals that everything was rigged it wouldn't be a shock or big surprise for me. I guess almost in every business in the 21th century people try to maximize profits no matter what it takes

Well said.. its obvious you think its fair. But would prefer to keep an open mind..

 

[Poker Orifice]

Look, back when i used to play on Stars i knew someone from Texas and we used to talk alot. We were in something called PokerStars PokerSchoolOnline together. This person also played on a site called Merge gaming.

Now.. Back when this site first busted onto the scene people were looking for a fair place to play because of recent things with Full Tilt, Ultimatebet, Absolute Poker. Sites such as Lock poker and Action Poker (if action was even around back then)shut down and refused to pay us as well, so i remember people flocking to Merge and it being quite popular like ACR is today.

I remember her telling me a story about how she observed five sixes being dealt at the table and how they handled it, the excuse they gave her.

Could you imagine that ?

And you believed THAT?!?!?! Really?????

How about the hundreds upon hundreds of 'real' players I spoke to... back around the exact same time period. (players who actually know how to play... ones who play regularly (as in 'often'). NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM EVER expressed concern about a site's RNG or felt it was rigged in any way shape or form.
I'm going to go with believing them over your friend who was joining you in the freeroll leagues on Pokerstars. Call it a hunch.... call it discernment... call it what you will

 

[James_Harrison]

And you believed THAT?!?!?! Really?????

How about the hundreds upon hundreds of 'real' players I spoke to... back around the exact same time period. (players who actually know how to play... ones who play regularly (as in 'often'). NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM EVER expressed concern about a site's RNG or felt it was rigged in any way shape or form.
I'm going to go with believing them over your friend who was joining you in the freeroll leagues on Pokerstars. Call it a hunch.... call it discernment... call it what you will

Well normally i dont call people names, but if you honestly look past all the sites i named in that very post you partially.. quoted i might want to call you blind.

But i wont. Instead i will just say yes i believed it and i trust her to this day.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Well normally i dont call people names, but if you honestly look past all the sites i named in that very post you partially.. quoted i might want to call you blind.

But i wont. Instead i will just say yes i believed it and i trust her to this day.

Call me Helen Keller.... but oddly enough I've 'seen' people like you coming on here OFTEN. The stories & claims vary slightly but there's a common thread with them all.
I often call people names... when the title fits. I won't label you here on Cardschat though... because it's against the rules. And honestly... I want you to keep playing online poker! I want you to take the few dollars you might win in some CC freerolls & I want you to land on the sunny-side of variance. Maybe it'll influence some of your friends to join online poker too (are there any?).

Previous sites you've mentioned here.... show me ONE with evidence of 'rigged RNG' ???

 

[James_Harrison]

Call me Helen Keller.... but oddly enough I've 'seen' people like you coming on here OFTEN. The stories & claims vary slightly but there's a common thread with them all.
I often call people names... when the title fits. I won't label you here on Cardschat though... because it's against the rules. And honestly... I want you to keep playing online poker! I want you to take the few dollars you might win in some CC freerolls & I want you to land on the sunny-side of variance. Maybe it'll influence some of your friends to join online poker too (are there any?).

Previous sites you've mentioned here.... show me ONE with evidence of 'rigged RNG' ???

Quite honestly i dont wish to speak with you much more after this after you made fun of me for believing her that she saw 5 sixes being dealt. If she was lying... its on her.. not on me for believing her.

Thanks for the kind wishes

My friends got me into poker, i dont currently have any friends that play.


I do not have evidence that the RNG is rigged, but i believe it is rigged. I also believe it is rigged aside from the RNG because of discussions i have had with the poker sites. I have posted about this already

 

[mountainfox]

I don't think online poker is rigged. I have had bad beats both playing at live casinos and online poker. The reason you experience more bad beats on online poker is because you play more hands than at a live casino. In the long run, most of the poker pros win in the long run.

 

[DONTSHOW]

Sometimes it might feel rigged.. like when you go all in preflop with your AA and someone makes a terrible call with their 10 4 suited and hits a flush.. but more times than not your AA holds up and you double up and forget about the hand.. It's just a lot harder to forget the horrible beats you take and it makes them stand out even more..
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[Anglermeister]

You can never rule it out 100%, but I see the same bad beats and suckouts in live poker when I play.

That's part of poker.

 

[agrivion]

I've been in so many live games, cash and tournaments, where the exact same thing happens as when I play online. People seem to forget there are only 52 cards in a deck and shite happens. You just have to try and remember "that's poker" and try move on to the next hand, if you can't do that, walk away and come back with a better mindset. Something I don't always do and wish I could.

That is exactly what I say to anyone who asks. Ive had a guy go all in with 2 3o vs pocket A's and pulling out a full house. Its just bad timing or plain ol bad luck. I seem to have plenty of that

 

[puzzlefish]

Saying online poker is not rigged because the same kind of beats happen online is like arguing athletes don't take steroids because both juiced and normal athletes can play the same sport.. therefore nobody is cheating.

 

[Chechiing]

That's unfortunately a question that nobody will ever be able to answer. Online means programming, programming means sequences of algorithms. Is it truly random? There's a lot of frustration trying to figure out something we're not expert at. Therefore, some people might decide to cry "rigged", but at the end of the day, it's all about the program.

I believe that Poker sites actually have to deal with other very real and rigged issues such as bots or collusion. Or deal with business issues such as rake competition between platforms, promos, big venues, etc. The program runs in the background no matter what and its maintenance is probably top secret...

As a Live player as well, I can definitely confirm that bad beats are waiting for you no matter where and how you play this crazy game 🤣.

I'll keep playing on Online sites simply because I truly enjoy Poker & don't have enough time to play Live as often as I'd like to. Be it unintentionally rigged or not, if I'm on a "good run" when shoving, I shall rejoice to have "beaten" the algorithm. If not, I'll be fully aware that this was my own decision, bad or good, to begin with.

Enjoy Poker Everyday [emoji873]