Why do a lot of people say JJ is a terrible hand?

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It seems to me that beginners overestimate the strength of this hand and think that they have a top pair on their hands.
 
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88-QQ are pockets where the pot should be kept small. Many, including me, overplay these hands and then complain when they are crushed by two pair, a set, or a draw and our chips are gone.
 
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ooooh I've lost much money playing this hand, people think that cause at the same time if opponent goes all-in in preflop you should call him and should fold this hand AT THE SAME TIME, and make decision at this moment is very hard
 
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I will never understand why some players open shove for like 50BB because they are "scared" to play them post-flop. JJ is a very strong starting hand and should be played as such, but cautiously in the case of overcards hitting.
 
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JJ is profitable for me, 214K HM2 statistics:
Won Hand% -58.7
W$SD% -65.1
 
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Not a very good hand for preflop all in, I lost 18 of these hands out of 20, after the flop it is also dangerous to play it if there are high cards on the table. it is because of the waltzes that I most often fly out of the tournament on the money))) JJ is an average pair the same as 1010 and 99. I think people often perceive such a pair as a premium hand which it is not at all hence the attitude towards it)
 
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Sometimes two AAs can be awful, which speaks of JJ, depending on how they are played.
 
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JJ hand expectation is too high. Really hard to fold JJ. Nothing more
 
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probably because they overvalue it...especially in early position...and overplay it.
 
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Hi all!

He has had 3 different feelings during my learning of poker.
1- I trusted JJ a lot, I took a risk with that concept
2- Then he began to distrust and discredit them
3- Currently he has found a balance, depending on the situation they can be very good cards and in others some simple cards that have to be doubled.

:jc4::jh4:
 
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They say it is a terrible hand because it is an excellent hand haha. At first it may seem crazy to say that, but that's the truth. JJ are so good that they are really hard to fold, specially pre flop. If u face an all in you probably should call it, even if it means facing an overpair or a flip. Furthermore, more than not, there will be a higher card on the flop, and since there was probably already some action pre flop it wouldn't be surprising if this high card is in your opponents range. All in all JJ are good, but you can get yourself in though situations that you will lose a lot of moeny. I never complain when I get JJ though, it's a really strong hand and if played correcly will definetly bring a positive EV.
 
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Most people will play a hand with an A,K,or Q, so if they hit there
card they have you beat.
 
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JJ probably the hardest hand to play in poker. It got huge potential also big risks, but ofc can be a winner hand, just from my experience I never rush with this hand. I rather have pocket 9s to be honest, I got a better win-loose ratio with this hand
 
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JJ is the Ace Ten of pocket pairs. Strong, but vulnerable. I don't know the best strategy for playing them, but if I'm under 10-12 bigs, I usually have to ship it
 
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It's a good hand, but it don't worth an All-in preflop. I prefer hands as KK, AA or even an AK.
 
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Because they overplay the power of this hand and lose a significant portion of their stack. Many fall in love with their pocket pairs especially JJ or QQ and don't see the danger on the board.
 
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I think having pocket J's is like having pocket 9's in my own opinion because it becomes hard to play when you see Oueens, Kings, and Aces on the board. If the flop comes K97 it is sometimes hard to c-bet considering also the opponent type.
 
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Pocket Jacks are like any other Pocket pair, Fine if they hit the flop but difficult to sell if you miss. In a live tourney I got dealt JJ on the BB and was raised 3X by the button, I was a little concerned as we were on the Final table, and was not ready to go home quite yet.
The flop came 8,9,10 rainbow and being first to act I checked to the aggressor. He pushed all in and I had already worked out I had ten outs any 7, any Queen and of course a Jack would give me trips,
My opponent could have had any combination of 6/7 or J/Q or any pocket pair, 88 and above. I decided I had too much invested in the pot and called I turned over my Jacks and his face sank as he saw them and turned over Ace/Ten he had top pair with top kicker but he had to hit again to beat me. He Didn't and we shook hands as he walked away. I finished 2nd on that day.

When the fun Stops, STOP!
 
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I think having pocket J's is like having pocket 9's in my own opinion because it becomes hard to play when you see Oueens, Kings, and Aces on the board. If the flop comes K97 it is sometimes hard to c-bet considering also the opponent type.


Against say a 20% calling range jacks still have about 60% equity on this flop, and about 55% equity against a 15% range, so this is a c-bet for me all day. An overcard is scary but chances are you're still ahead
 
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The trouble with JJ is that there are 3 hands that are a whole lot better and 2 other hands AK and AQ that are only slightly worse. When all the money goes in preflop you are more often than not up against one of those 5 hands. If you get to a flop and there is a Q K or A then things might not be so great for you either.
 
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JJ is a great hand, but you have to know when you're beat and throw them away. That's the hard part for so many people.
 
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JJ is a very good pair, but it`s not a monster hand...
 
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It is a terrible hand because it is well below the large numbers, only if a J comes out on the community cards can it become a winner, if not it is a lost hand for sure:D
 
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In my view it is an intermediate hand where you can improve with few options, and a greater probability of losing a good bet
 
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