micromachine
Legend
Silver Level
never limp with AA or KK...limping can cause others to call with weak hands and hit on the flop..
most time give a little raise..smooth call occasionally from late position
you are contradicting yourself.
never limp with AA or KK...limping can cause others to call with weak hands and hit on the flop..
most time give a little raise..smooth call occasionally from late position
and so, you still don't make a strong enough hand with suited connectors that you can value bet for stacks against the ultimate station..
and fold equity is the main thing that makes suited connectors profitable, if we don't have that then we really can't be playing them too much.
This is complete and utter bullshit. Phil hellmuth must be a fish when he has 11 wsop bracelets? Although phil is far from a fish, he is a huge MTT shark. All good poker players go on tilt, some more than others including myself. Going on tilt easily does not make you a fish, it just means you have some anger issues like i do which is more personal than anything . Trust me, it is hard to swallow loosing when you call someone all in with pocket aces as a big stack late stages of an MTT preflop. Trust me, its happened before, and i am almost certain it will happen again.
If you have say 78 suited from UTG and you limp
People at 5nl and below are just freaking terrible.
Poker isn't about never ever.
The value of suited connectors is having equity to play draws aggressively, not to stack off against someone who can't fold third pair. I mean, limp-calling speculative hands OOP pretty much sums up the very essence of the fish mindset. Playing a lot of hands smallball style against people who won't fold is certainly not fine. This isn't a revelation, but every bad player who has ever posted on a forum thought they could do stupid shit profitably, too.
Isn't this whole post a contradiction. You quote my never ever line and say poker isn't about that. Completely true, and that was my point. There is a time and a place. I guess you are saying that you just want one approach to use one everyone? Well, I would rather tailor my approach to each individual player or players, based on what I've seen and my HUD.
Also, Baudib1, what's up with your PTR stats?
What about calling an all in pre with those suited connectors? Seems like that would be the worst thing you could do.
I understand your reasoning, and yes, playing 78 suited doesn't fit into the cardrunners cookie cutter ABC poker strategy, which is the best way to beat the micros, but I still think there is at least a time and a place.
Looking through my old Pokerstars cash game stats, I have played 78 suited around 300 times to a profit of $15. PTR says I played it 131 times to $30 something but that isn't right. That sample is around 350K hands. It isn't much, and clearly I haven't played it often at all, but there is profit there. Most of the hands were at 2nl and 5nl, so it is like 3-7.5 BI's.
Now, compare that to a hand like JJ, which I have played over a thousand times to around $300 profit. Clearly, usually when I looked down at 78 suited, it hits the muck immediately, but there is a time and a place, IMO.
Forget whatever you read/heard, limping is bad. Especially at the micros.
By open limping you lose all initiative in the hand, and leave it to the players behind you to decide your fate.
A lot of new players like to limp UTG with suited connectors and small pairs with the ideal that if they spike it they'll get paid off.
This is wrong. Even if you hit your set/miracle flop, it’s hard for you to get maximum value OOP and even if you pot it for every street you still won't get stacks in unless it’s a family pot.
On top of that, good players behind you will raise with a wide range of hands and you’ll either have to call OOP with a weak hand and check/fold flops we miss or just fold pre-flop.
Isn't this whole post a contradiction. You quote my never ever line and say poker isn't about that. Completely true, and that was my point. There is a time and a place. I guess you are saying that you just want one approach to use one everyone? Well, I would rather tailor my approach to each individual player or players, based on what I've seen and my HUD.
Also, Baudib1, what's up with your PTR stats?
Aren't anger and tilt two completely different things? You can be as angry and frustrated as you want. Maybe you can't even think straight. But you could still play good poker, or else just leave. Maybe you think you can play good so you keep going, but you should be thinking about if you are playing well, and if you think you aren't, be done.
Tilt originally meant that your anger tilted the table (literally) and your chips would slide to the other players and away from you. A good player should never let this happen. Play good or quit, don't tilt.
after reading all this ...i still don't really know what a fish does......fish and donk I have determined is in the eye of the beholder who may or may not also be a fish or a donk. Nuff said...Let's getter done!
I like the advice!Things fish do that you shouldn't:
They play a wide range of hands. You should only play pockets, face cards, sometimes suited connectors, and use position whenever possible.
They limp a lot. Raise.
They chase. Don't chase unless you are really, really priced in.
They call a lot. It is better to be the aggressor. You should be the one betting more than the one calling.
They play one table at a time. Put in volume if you want to win, multiple tables reduces variance.
They don't know what a HUD is. You should be making decision's based on yours.
They don't use good BR management. You should play at least 20 BI deep at least at all times.
They tilt. Don't.
They deposit. You should withdraw.
No, anger and tilt aren't two completely different things. If you can't think straight, how can you play good poker?
Most of the time I feel like I am on autopilot when I play. I can be really, really pissed, I've even punched stuff in the past, but I can continue to just play standard, ABC, winning poker. Angry, but not tilted.
Your sharkscope graph for FullTilt was interesting btw.
Most of the time I feel like I am on autopilot when I play. I can be really, really pissed, I've even punched stuff in the past, but I can continue to just play standard, ABC, winning poker. Angry, but not tilted.
Your sharkscope graph for FullTilt was interesting btw.
If you get really, really pissed playing poker, it's probably not even worth your time to play. If you think you can play optimally while punching stuff, you are seriously deluded.
Things fish do that you shouldn't:
They play a wide range of hands. You should only play pockets, face cards, sometimes suited connectors, and use position whenever possible.
They limp a lot. Raise.
They chase. Don't chase unless you are really, really priced in.
They call a lot. It is better to be the aggressor. You should be the one betting more than the one calling.
They play one table at a time. Put in volume if you want to win, multiple tables reduces variance.
They don't know what a HUD is. You should be making decision's based on yours.
They don't use good BR management. You should play at least 20 BI deep at least at all times.
They tilt. You should try not to.
They deposit. You should withdraw.
Limp OOP w/ 78s UTG+(whatever) ....yay, we're awful!
Yes, but if you limp utg/3bet with 78s is that not genius? Think about it.....
get called, flop A Q 6..
hero??
Tilt can be anything that happens that takes your mind away from the game (like that new waitress - woof!) Not just momentarily but in an ongoing manner.
Not just anger, but also disappointment, cockiness, etc.
Now the effect that tilt has on each player is going to be mostly determined by the depth or level of their game. A level one player is probably going to have to have to have a major meltdown to get thrown out of their game. This makes it easy for them to say they are hardly effected by tilt because they don't need much brain power to continue to play on at that level.
If you are playing Level 1, you probably are a losing player already or you just play that Shortstack strategy, which isn't really poker, it's a percentage game.
Just to elaborate:
Level 1: What do I have?
Level 2: What does my opponent have?
Level 3: What does my opponent think I have? and how do I play accordingly
Level 4: What does my opponent think that I think they have?and how do I exploit it?
Level 5:What do I want my opponent to think I have, already having a good grasp on his range in this spot, as to best maximize value in this hand
If you are playing Level 1, you probably are a losing player already or you just play that Shortstack strategy, which isn't really poker, it's a percentage game.