Umm... actually you will win 80% of the time.
btw... way to go on getting stacks into the pot preflop while holding AA in a tournament (couldn't ask for a better result than that preflop).
BUT.. because you lost you'd consider playing it differently in the future???? I'd only play it differently if I didn't think I was going to stack villain &/or stack size was ~20bbs so it might be better to flat & trap my opponent, in hopes of getting it postflop.
How would you suggest getting away from AA with a Qxx flop (just slow down & check/call... check/call.... fold river???).
I think the poster who started this line of questioning misunderstood what I meant. If I can get my money in with Aces preflop, a straight on an unpaired non-flush board, top flush on an unpaired board, etc, I'm happy.
And yes, Orifice, I was talking about deep stacked cash games when you can lose a fortune short of getting your stack in pre (and even then over time you're going to lose 20-25% of the fortune, but at least you made the right play).
The point I was making was they are too easy to play preflop (way good - raise raise raise raise), and can be difficult to play post flop.
A lot of this comes with table image. Some of my biggest money makers this year (granted I've played less than 2000
hands thanks to a deployment) are hands most people wouldn't even consider playing preflop (35o turned a str8 for free, got stacks in against TpTk, 24o caught bottom two pair on a cheap turn in a 3-way pot, got stacks in on turn against TpTk, 86o flopped trips, raised PFraiser, jammed/got called by AA), so it's a lot harder to put me on AA then somebody who has - say - 12 VPIP and 8 PFR, so when I face a raise on a Q high flop while I hold Aces, it's entirely possible that my opponent has a strong Q, but then again they could very well hold a set, an open-ended draw, or a combo draw. I raise to see how strong they are, then when all their money's in the pot what choice do I have?
If I were to drop say . . . 25% of the hands I play, I'm sure this problem would work itself out over time, but at the tables I play, people don't fold top pair top kicker, so when I make that straight or that baby flush or sometimes even two pair/trips with a seemingly harmless turn card, I'm ready to jam. If I'm up against a better flush/set/FH, then it's part of the game, a risk I take in playing a wide range of hands. You don't have to have the nuts to win a gigantic pot, just a hand stronger than everybody else.
While a rainbow flop with an A on it is a beautiful thing for AA, what do you do when there was an original raiser, you 3-bet, and got called by two players with a flop of A73? Bet and take the pot down right there? Or try to milk it for the most you can, pretend that ace scared you? Or pray you got called by 77 and 33? I like to think of the possibilities of that...
But even on this flop, any turn that doesn't improve you makes a myriad of straight draws, and even completes some of them, not that I'm supposing you'll be up against the likes of two unpaired wheel cards at the turn, but 45 did flop a double gutshot and both straights they make will be the nuts, as well as be clearly disguised and will have no problem stacking off with us should they hit, which we'll probably fist pump when it happens, then feel our hearts drop until he make our boat on the river.
All I'm saying is it's vulnerable, more so in deepstack play where you should be opening up your ranges of hands to effectively win against a predictable opponent, because if for some reason I raise with 45s, you 3-bet me with AA, and somebody calls before me, and my call will close the action - you bet your ass I'm coming if both your stack and villains offer the potential for a large change of hands, and if you make the mistake of letting me hit my straight when you have a set, I intend on making you pay for it.
I know I'm not the only player out there like that.
Regards, WG.
