Do you need more luck in cash games or tournaments?

[sergik1992]

I need more information about poker, more self-control an self-discipline, more poker books, more analyzes the past games etc. But I don`t need more luck, thank you!)

 

[Mister Isaev]

Without Luck is hardly to win

 

[lexi7503]

i would agree with tourneys... you need more luck but i prefer them

 

[No1eJoker]

I think in cash games we need more luck than tournamens, if we have very strong hand but opoonent have better hand, we can lose all in one hand.

 

[CryptoBlood]

I see that we need more luck in tournaments and I have a lot of luck in tournaments but 0 luck in cash games.

 

[iwont20]

While you definitely need to have a certain set of skills to be a winning player in cash games and in MTT respectively, I'd say luck is way more crucial in tournaments. To be unlucky in coinflips in deep runs over a long period of time can be pretty devastating. Plus I believe that you need more buyins for MTT than for cash games if you follow BRM due to high variance in tourneys.

 

[HennieP]

While it is true that tournaments take a long time it is also true that in a MTT you can turn $100 into $3000 (for example) in that period of time while you'd rarely be able to the same in a cash game with a $100 buy-in.

As for which required more luck the answer is definitely tournaments. The best players in the world might get to the final table of the wsop once or twice in their lives. The very best online tournament players might get to a final table about once in every 10 tournaments and get a win maybe once in every 20 tournaments.

It is possible to make it to the money quite often if you play solid poker but when there's thousands of players to compete against the odds of nothing going wrong is very small. Something can and will go wrong most times and in many cases that will be the end of it for you.

Having said that, you can minimize the risk somewhat by trying to avoid volatile situations with marginal hands. Don't call all-ins with mediocre hands like 77 or even JJ if you don't need to. In fact, never call an all-in with any less than AA or KK. If you're short stacked rather be the guy that pushes all-in than the guy that calls.

 

[11ALEKSANDR11]

I do not agree, in tournaments you risk more often, you play a coin and luck is the most important factor.

 

[Erpherk]

I Would say tournaments require more luck, To win a tourney you have to play a lot of hands and win the majority without getting unlucky or making a bad judgment on opponents holdings, not to mention blinds and antes going up so you are forced to play then on top f that the tourney could last 8 hours or more. In a cash game you can hang out until you get a good hand, or find an opportunity to pick up some chips.. could even go buck wild double up and bail from a cash game..

 

[Mcash2]

Tourneys for sure. You can always buy back in at the cash table.

 

[619Leafs]

Luck is one of the main factors in poker. You need psycology, maths and you also need luck. Where do you need more luck in tournaments or in ring games?
I believe that you need more luck in ring games because they are more closed games and the pressure is bigger because your stack is changing all the time. In tournaments you play in more tables, you are changing opponents and changes of your stack depend from you final position.

I would say that you need more luck in cash games simply because it is your bankroll that you are playing with and you are risking your the whole roll on a single game.

I feel tournaments you can be more looser simply because it is a set buy in and you are not risking your bankroll.

 

[drazak]

I'm not really sure what it means to be unlucky. Perhaps we should try to quantify what it means to be unlucky or lucky first before arguing more about what poker format requires the most luck.

 

[kbaker420]

i believe you need more luck in tournys because the later stages are much more crucial make or break so there are flips you need to win to stay alive

 

[vov4ik]

Good luck is needed everywhere but most of all in the tournament, not everyone wants to sit down in the tournament and immediately fly out at an early stage. Well, in cash games, too, you do not want to just sit and give money to the lucky participants

 

[RidersFan]

You need more luck in tournaments. It's hard to win tournaments because the blinds end up dictating your decisions. Your going to need to win flips and gamble more in the later stages.

 

[Rational Madman]

You are talking utter crap right now and this is a common mentality people have when they first begin poker thinking 'oh look at me I am better than these other bad players', aces lose to 5-6, rivers turn around 11% vs 89% winrate hands, everything can go wrong based on one card turning up (your 2pair being beaten by a rivered flush with the all-in being on the turn.)

 

[james bright]

i believe tournys are you have to continually win without losing everything in 1 hand

 

[Aglarion]

Game formats with more variance are always more luck dependant.
More variance means you have less opportunity to use your skill and thus you are more dependant on luck.
Cash games offer the less variance while tournaments depending on their format offer more or much more variance. For example, the faster the levels of the blinds the more variance, the shorter your starting stack is the more variance.

 

[dominiq]

Of course that you need more luck in cash games.
Why? Because those who play there know the maths of poker and play optimal or almost optimal.
So if almost everyone plays good poker only luck decides who is a winning player.

So we have a little number of lucky winners, a little number of loosers with bad luck and the others oscillating around zero. But their money is also eaten by rake, so they are loosers too.

 

[AviCKter]

I think the answer lies within the question. Luck, by definition, is something that you don't have a control over, its a force of nature (or the dealer, depends on perspective). So my question to you, where do you need more luck? A situation where you've wagered all your money without seeing any of the community cards? Or in a game, where you have to go three stages of card revealing and wagering based on it?

I don't think it's much of a debate: Tournament poker needs more luck. You go all-in more often in tournaments, unless off course, you're a maniac who goes all-in every hand in a cash game with your 100BB stack.

 

[Logz98]

As both modes require different strategies they both have different luck ratios.

-Cash games are much, much deeper, especially at high stakes, as the blinds are constant.

-In tourneys, the blinds increase after a set amount of time therefore the stack ratios shrink even more over time therefore you have to rely on luck when it's time to go all-in.