PsychoVas
What The Duck???
Platinum Level
I usually bet for value on the river. If I am not sure, I usually check back and see what my opponet called all the other streets with. Bluffing is something I rarely do and then I size my bet exactly the same as I would with a made hand, namely half the pot against one opponent and accordingly with more. I think that I have to study bluffing. It seems that I might have folded to a scare card on the river way more than I should...
Good article!
Good article!
dragunovich
Rock Star
Silver Level
betting on the river is a bloody tale ... the dilemma there is always betting or not betting, more than how much .. because many times check on the river can mean a shock to your rival .. you may think that you really have nothing when The truth is that you have nuts and you are encouraging their aggression or a failed bluff.
A weak bet on the river can serve to achieve your goals .. one day I laughed a lot when I bet very strong on the river in bluff and the villain costesta and wins the hand but answer was not a good decision because it was an extremely dangerous board. So, when that player is exposed for making a terrible call, he justifies himself and says that I bet very high ... which, on the contrary, I leave him as a player who looks for excuses to look good when in any of the situations he should do a call there ..
The river is where most bluffs make sense since there are many dead draws.
When an ace comes out on the river it is a good situation for bluff .. some are scared even if they have a TT or a good hand ..
A weak bet on the river can serve to achieve your goals .. one day I laughed a lot when I bet very strong on the river in bluff and the villain costesta and wins the hand but answer was not a good decision because it was an extremely dangerous board. So, when that player is exposed for making a terrible call, he justifies himself and says that I bet very high ... which, on the contrary, I leave him as a player who looks for excuses to look good when in any of the situations he should do a call there ..
The river is where most bluffs make sense since there are many dead draws.
When an ace comes out on the river it is a good situation for bluff .. some are scared even if they have a TT or a good hand ..
zam220
Legend
Bronze Level
I usually bet on the river to get chips or bluff when I can only win a bluff . I always, when there is a chance, that I have the best hand will bet on river, but can straight for the cards on All-in from rival !
makisaa
Legend
Loyaler
River is the most important time in a hand. There we will see the biggest loses and the biggest victories. Betting depends from the developement of the hand. The better hand I see the biggest bet I make. bluffing can occure and I am carefull and try not to lose many chips for nothing, or bluff when I know that there are good chances to win.
PHX
Legend
Loyaler
I am glad the article outlined that betting on river is different than other streets. Very important tip for beginners you are either bluffing or value betting on river.
Two thing about bluffing on river. First make sure that your story checks out ensure your representing a strong hand and not just look like you are barreling off example you bet a Q high turn then barrel an Ace on river.
Second you must be able to narrow your opponent to a small range of hands that you feel you can get to fold to a river bet. The best way to get info is by betting (either you or opponent(s)) on earlier streets.
River value betting is hard to get right. Most time you are guessing/hoping what your opponent has and how they will react to your bet. I seen players fold/call/raise when faced with same spot.
Two thing about bluffing on river. First make sure that your story checks out ensure your representing a strong hand and not just look like you are barreling off example you bet a Q high turn then barrel an Ace on river.
Second you must be able to narrow your opponent to a small range of hands that you feel you can get to fold to a river bet. The best way to get info is by betting (either you or opponent(s)) on earlier streets.
River value betting is hard to get right. Most time you are guessing/hoping what your opponent has and how they will react to your bet. I seen players fold/call/raise when faced with same spot.
danoscar
Legend
Bronze Level
Good comment. Bluffing can cost a lot. I do not bluff too much, but maybe semi-bluff when I have a good flush or straight draw or even a chance at trips. Depending on how many are in play, I may bet a middle or small pair. I attempt to extract as much as I can from my opponent if I feel I have the best hand...especially on the river. The River can really make a difference and a person profit. I agree.
Misaki
Visionary
Silver Level
Ye. River is the hardest street for me. It’s easy to make some gameplan of checks, bets or folds on flop, and plan some betting frequency on turn. On river it’s a little more complicated, because most of the time pots are big already and you have to consider more things like if your villain is going to fold if you bluff or how much should we bet to get payoff. That thing, especially on micro, lowstakes is very dynamic and proper adjusting to that is real hard thing and need some expierence.
vovqa93
Visionary
Silver Level
About river bet
Alright, river is the last street, soul crusher or the opposite, the last card that make players to win big or loose, to survive in tournaments or get knocked out.
Good players try to remember hand history street by street, what makes bluffing them very hard and also they can bluff into good thinking players, where you can represent big hand by flop/turn/river scenario you played. Leveling is the most interesting detail, and at the river we can also see very strange calls/ shoves/ reshoves etc. , mostly by strong players, but not everytime Action on the river is very depending of opponent player level: you can bluff like almost or you can't never, it is very, very polarised or not etc.
Alright, river is the last street, soul crusher or the opposite, the last card that make players to win big or loose, to survive in tournaments or get knocked out.
Good players try to remember hand history street by street, what makes bluffing them very hard and also they can bluff into good thinking players, where you can represent big hand by flop/turn/river scenario you played. Leveling is the most interesting detail, and at the river we can also see very strange calls/ shoves/ reshoves etc. , mostly by strong players, but not everytime
Action on the river is very depending of opponent player level: you can bluff like almost or you can't never, it is very, very polarised or not etc.
kraemer
Visionary
Silver Level
Bet size is super important when bluffing...
Many players think the bigger the better because
they think they have to scare away the opponent...
But often times a rather small bet is more effective....
Try to make your river bet to look like you want the
opponent to call and that you are scared he will just
fold when you bet a lot more...
Seems to be considered a real sign of strength by
many players and then they fold....
Many players think the bigger the better because
they think they have to scare away the opponent...
But often times a rather small bet is more effective....
Try to make your river bet to look like you want the
opponent to call and that you are scared he will just
fold when you bet a lot more...
Seems to be considered a real sign of strength by
many players and then they fold....
EVA777
Rock Star
Silver Level
So far only preflop I had a bluff! But on the river is very dangerous! In the end, to the end go those who have a good hand! You must be very careful!
Bluffing is easy for people with certain mental qualities. As life has shown, I do not have such qualities! But a bluff in the game is one of the components that leads to victory! I need to learn, the article will help, thanks!
Bev
Legend
Bronze Level
Betting on the river should really depend on the rest of your hand and the board , if you have been betting right from the beginning on a strong hand , yes - continuation bet is in order, and if your hand has been steadily getting better after the turn- ya I bet !
I have been known to fold many times by the time the river comes , and curse to myself when I see I would of won ... course that is where that luck thing comes in ...
This article is covering a lot , but so many times we end up in a hand that still leaves even the pros making a bad bet. I have watched it happen. So, I believe luck now comes into play. If you have enough chips to make a substantial bet - then I personally do it and hope for the best .
I have been known to fold many times by the time the river comes , and curse to myself when I see I would of won ... course that is where that luck thing comes in ...
This article is covering a lot , but so many times we end up in a hand that still leaves even the pros making a bad bet. I have watched it happen. So, I believe luck now comes into play. If you have enough chips to make a substantial bet - then I personally do it and hope for the best .
mtl mile end
Legend
Bronze Level
My biggest weakness is probably missing out on value on the river because of this:
"Don't miss out on value by not going thin enough"
I am guilty too often of missing value by not going thin enough. However, one of my most profitable moves is checking with a thin value hand and snap calling an obvious bluff. This relieves me of the task of deciding on a value bet amount that will be likely to be called if villain actually has something - as an added bonus, their bluff is usually a much bigger bet.
I will be working on this daily, probably for the rest of my life.
"Don't miss out on value by not going thin enough"
I am guilty too often of missing value by not going thin enough. However, one of my most profitable moves is checking with a thin value hand and snap calling an obvious bluff. This relieves me of the task of deciding on a value bet amount that will be likely to be called if villain actually has something - as an added bonus, their bluff is usually a much bigger bet.
I will be working on this daily, probably for the rest of my life.
MatMackenz
Visionary
Silver Level
Depending on how the hand plays out and if the villian is showing any strength it is sometimes good to bluff. I have been told that a good strategy for bluffing the river is to do this when you have missed a strong draw on the turn (Flush Draw or OESD). Of course other variables come into play but this will give a good frequency in which to bluff.
As for having a nutted hand on the river which we want to get some value from, we must read our opponents hand strength and make an educated guess into the hands he may have to call a bet with. Make it too big and our villain may fold his smaller hands, and make it too small and we leave chips on the table from bigger hands like two pairs or sets. If the hand has played out passively I would go for a thinner value bet, if villain has been aggressive in the hand, then I will make villin pay big to get to showdown.
As for having a nutted hand on the river which we want to get some value from, we must read our opponents hand strength and make an educated guess into the hands he may have to call a bet with. Make it too big and our villain may fold his smaller hands, and make it too small and we leave chips on the table from bigger hands like two pairs or sets. If the hand has played out passively I would go for a thinner value bet, if villain has been aggressive in the hand, then I will make villin pay big to get to showdown.
akmost
Rising Star
Loyaler
Very good point! Sometimes you can take down the whole pot on the river by betting just 1/4 pot, other times you have to make it bigger as a bluff and vise versa! This only has to do with the level of thinking of your opponent.
I find that betting for thin value is the toughest of all , because you should have narrowed down your opponent's range so much plus you have to choose the correct size and apparently for him to have some show down value.
I thing there is also a third bullet on the ''reasons for betting on the river'' which is somewhere in the middle of the two. The blocker bet, is when you know you have some showdown value but you don't know if you will win your opponent's combination so you block bet on the river in order to discourage him from betting or raise you.
Nice article
DiegoRamos
Legend
Loyaler
I believe that just like in any position, the bet on the river will depend on who you are playing, the position on the table, the stack, the tournament phase and the amount of chips in the pot.
Most of the time we can not apply a bluff at the moment, many players do not drop their hand on the river and are accustomed to paying with any 2, so basically it's a valuation situation.
Most of the time we can not apply a bluff at the moment, many players do not drop their hand on the river and are accustomed to paying with any 2, so basically it's a valuation situation.
