why is online poker harder than live poker?

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I think it has to do with the atmosphere. When playing live, you are completely thinking about poker with no other distractions. When you are at home playing, there are going to be distractions. Also, the fact that you physically cannot see the cards/person also might affect play.

When I first began playing online poker I would play with the TV on, talking on the telephone, etc. ('distractions'). After reading an article and putting a small bit of thought into it, I then chose to eliminate all such distractions while playing. Poker is a game where you ('I') want to take any advantages I can (kinda like that speech Al Pacino gives in that movie about football being won in inches >> by going after the inches we get the wins). This is my goal when I play poker >>> to win! So why start out by putting myself at a disadvantage via distractions?
When putting in a session online I will prepare myself in advance (mentally, emotionally & physically). I'll go for a walk to get some exercise & fresh air, I'll make any calls I feel need to be made, I'll get everything out of the way that I feel needs to be taken care of,...then if it's MTT play, snacks/meals are pre-made, bottled water in the fridge, coffee is on, etc. Let's play some poker!!! (if I'm going to watch TV.... I'll watch TV.. if I want to play poker... I'll play poker).
.... no,... I'm not playing a game right now (but I'm thinking about it, lol)
 
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The average players at a casino are there to gamble when they play poker, just like any other the other table games. More or less put their money in and then see if they win. I can't count the number of times players have come to the table with a bunch of chips bragging about how much they just won at roulette/Caribbean stud poker/etc. Most of the time they will just blow it as fun money just like they would have if they kept playing the table games.
 
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Quick A to the Q,,,, No live reads, on a player..
You have to use the time they take, to get a read on them.
Also a tight player will mess around with you.
 
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online players use tracking software like HEM or PT3.
 
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Well since you can't see players when you play online, it makes a huge difference. You have to pick up on timing tells and patterns online to make up for not being able to see facial tells.
 
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I agree with the guy who said porn
 
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Online is not harder. You see more hands in a shorter period of time. As a result, your leaks and mistakes are magnified making it appear as though it is harder.
 
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All very interesting points.
As i havent played live yet, i will keep them in mind as soon as i do get to play live..., soon i hope.
I expect to be nervous and a bit bored, being used to multitabling...
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online players use tracking software like HEM or PT3.
I don't have a HUD, coz i can't get it to work..... So i just keep the HH up well i am playing :smile:. I do keep an eye, on the players that are on the button;) i see a pattern, have some marked for doing it;);););).
 
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Online is not harder. You see more hands in a shorter period of time. As a result, your leaks and mistakes are magnified making it appear as though it is harder.

That you see more hands in a shorter time makes it easier not harder for the skilled player. It means for any given ROI you are going to make more money in a given time.
 
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That you see more hands in a shorter time makes it easier not harder for the skilled player. It means for any given ROI you are going to make more money in a given time.


Did you even read what I said before you quoted it?
 
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live poker usually has a larger rake than online.
 
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I'm definitely harder when I'm online more often than offline. Is that what you were asking? LOL JK Online poker isn't really harder it's just more hands, more opponents than you would usually play offline, and some online players have immense experience with one particular poker room which can also give them an advantage. I think anyway. I also think some poker rooms online have easier software to "donk" and score on. Amazing how someones card magically and immediately appears after calling an all in by someone with top pair and catching their three of a kind 4s or whatever. More All-Ins online 2. Do your friends see a 2 7 off suit and throw their money at you cuz it doesn't really matter when you play together offline on poker night? Heck no!
 
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Did you even read what I said before you quoted it?

I disagree, I think the Obama administration has done well considering the economic downturn, are economy has not prospered unde rthem due to circumstance rather than their actions.

and yes I too enjoy fried chicken
 
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I disagree, I think the Obama administration has done well considering the economic downturn, are economy has not prospered unde rthem due to circumstance rather than their actions.

and yes I too enjoy fried chicken
Maked me lol.
Thank you :).
 
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I think its because you cant see people to get a good read on them!
I agree. I get much better reads during live play than online play.
Since you're at your house, it's too easy to get distrac...


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LMAO! That is so me! With the kids and animals and everything else I'm limited on times I can play without a lot of distractions.

My thoughts..... there are ALOT of young players who are able to committ ALOT of time to the game (playing/studying, etc.). Most seem to start out in micro limits and become quite good prior to moving up. Many of them become regulars in online forums as well and have other's who they're able to hook up with regularly (again 'online') and discuss HH's, etc. They are also able to gain a vast amount of experience in a short period of time due to the fact that they can be playing so many games/hands, etc. so conveniently (how many live tourney players do you know who can typically play in over 100 large-field tournaments in one week? 1yr. for that many would be doubtful).
When a typical live player (playing a couple of times per week in local cardroom) who might play normally play above 200NL attempts to play even 100NL online, they are usually way outclassed. I've often heard it said that 10NL online is comparable with 200NL live.
There you go again Orfice, bringing logic into the discussion, lol! I do agree though, online players get a lot more experience than live players and I have to say that I play better at medium limits live than most of my live competitors and I have to play at much lower limits online than I play live.
Because online poker is rigged...


...Online you play to win, live there are players that play to play a game with other ppl and they aren't that good, because win isn't more inportant than a good night with others...
I do not agree at all. I play live 4 nights a week on avg and play online almost daily. I don't know if your rigged comment was a joke or not, I'll assume it was.
For home games I agree, people are having a good night but at the casino there is definitely a mix of serious regulars and those who are just "tourists". I can tell you from years of live experience that there are plenty who play to win.
Players at a Casino consist of Gamblers.
Players at an online poker room consist of people here specificly to play poker.
Again, this isn't entirely true imo. I play in a room with 10 tables, I can count on 50-70% + (depending on time of year) of players who are serious about their poker game and see themselves as poker players, not gamblers.
The argument could go the other way as well, how many people just "dabble" in online play but aren't serious? Quite a few. I think there's a good mix both live and online.
It was no more or less serious than any of my posts in this thread, past or future.

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Online poker doesn't have a car park in which you can threaten to beat your opponent up after the game if they call your bluff.
LOL! Serously, I had this happen to me! I had a guy chase me out of the casino and I had to grab the nearest valet guy to call security on him. It was a big mess and a bit scarey for me. I always carry a pocket knife but this guy was drunk and seriously pissed at me.
I live about 45-55 mins from the casino. I had someone follow me home one night. I live in a subdivision in a rural area. I thought maybe the guy lived in my area but after I was less than 5 minutes from home and he turned behind me into my subdivision I thought I would find out for sure. I pulled my truck off to the side of the road and waited for him to pass, he didn't, he just stopped. That's when I knew for sure he was following me. I had a great night at the casino that night so didn't know if it was someone I had won a large pot from or that just saw me cashing chips at the cashiers cage. Either way I decided to do a U-turn and confront him. As soon as I whipped my truck around and drove towards him he drove quickly in reverse and high tailed it out to the main road. Never got a plate to report it.

The average players at a casino are there to gamble when they play poker, just like any other the other table games. More or less put their money in and then see if they win. I can't count the number of times players have come to the table with a bunch of chips bragging about how much they just won at roulette/Caribbean stud poker/etc. Most of the time they will just blow it as fun money just like they would have if they kept playing the table games.

Again, this isn't entirely true for my casino, maybe the one you play at or the area you play in. I live in a high tourist area in the summer and all other times of the year it's mostly serious poker players. Although I do know several poker players who also play craps and blackjack, they play poker mainly. It's not usual for poker players to branch out into other games. On the other hand, in the summer time I have seen this exact thing happen you mention, someone comes in and sits at a table bragging about all the money they just won out on the main floor playing another game only to lose it all at the poker table because they are gamblers, not poker players. I LOVE these types.
 
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LOL! Serously, I had this happen to me! I had a guy chase me out of the casino and I had to grab the nearest valet guy to call security on him. It was a big mess and a bit scarey for me. I always carry a pocket knife but this guy was drunk and seriously pissed at me.
I live about 45-55 mins from the casino. I had someone follow me home one night. I live in a subdivision in a rural area. I thought maybe the guy lived in my area but after I was less than 5 minutes from home and he turned behind me into my subdivision I thought I would find out for sure. I pulled my truck off to the side of the road and waited for him to pass, he didn't, he just stopped. That's when I knew for sure he was following me. I had a great night at the casino that night so didn't know if it was someone I had won a large pot from or that just saw me cashing chips at the cashiers cage. Either way I decided to do a U-turn and confront him. As soon as I whipped my truck around and drove towards him he drove quickly in reverse and high tailed it out to the main road. Never got a plate to report it.

Thats some scary shit right there. I won a couple of hundred euro once playing in a casino in the Croatia. Luckily i was with a group of about 20 people so i was not scared. But i always look out when i play in abroad casino's cos you never know if there are criminal elements who want to take your money.
 
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there are more short stacker online. there are so many people buying in short doubling and moving to another table. i'm sure there are some live but not nearly as many.
 
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Because i do house work while playing. Hard to vacum a room inbetween hands:smokin:
 
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LOL! Serously, I had this happen to me! I had a guy chase me out of the casino and I had to grab the nearest valet guy to call security on him. It was a big mess and a bit scarey for me. I always carry a pocket knife but this guy was drunk and seriously pissed at me.
I live about 45-55 mins from the casino. I had someone follow me home one night. I live in a subdivision in a rural area. I thought maybe the guy lived in my area but after I was less than 5 minutes from home and he turned behind me into my subdivision I thought I would find out for sure. I pulled my truck off to the side of the road and waited for him to pass, he didn't, he just stopped. That's when I knew for sure he was following me. I had a great night at the casino that night so didn't know if it was someone I had won a large pot from or that just saw me cashing chips at the cashiers cage. Either way I decided to do a U-turn and confront him. As soon as I whipped my truck around and drove towards him he drove quickly in reverse and high tailed it out to the main road. Never got a plate to report it.

Thats some scary shit right there. I won a couple of hundred euro once playing in a casino in the Croatia. Luckily i was with a group of about 20 people so i was not scared. But i always look out when i play in abroad casino's cos you never know if there are criminal elements who want to take your money.

Oh my gosh I know! I've been playing live several nights a week for a few years now so lucky I've only incurred these 2 incidents. There's another player on here that didn't fare so well. I'm not trying to hi-jack this thread with these types of stories but there is a CC member who had a guy follow him out to the parking lot and beat the living crap out of him! I tried to do a search for the link to his thread but couldn't find it. His story was really scarey and disturbing on how some bottom of the pit people will act.
 
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the many reasons...

Players at a Casino consist of Gamblers.
Players at an online poker room consist of people here specificly to play poker.

I think this is very true and an excellent point. Also, people play looser in live games since they are not dealt as many hands per hour and thus get impatient. Also online you have competition from all across the world...
 
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Because i do house work while playing. Hard to vacum a room inbetween hands:smokin:
LOL! I meant to bring this one up, sorry for posting a few times in a row but this is a great point. I tend to concentrate better live than online because of all the distractions.
 
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Online players tend to be more experienced than their live counter parts.

An online player can:-

1. multi-table
2. be dealt cards at a faster rate
3. play more hours per week because of the convenience of online vs travelling to a casino.

The result is that an online player playing just 2 hours a night 5 nights a week whilst multitabling just 8 tables will see about 5K hands per week. (which is a mear 10 hours of convenient play).

A live player will require around 150 hours play to achieve the same result.

So lets assume the live player plays 2 x 6 hour sessions a week. (most players dont actually play this much). The live player takes around 3 months to play what the online player plays in one week.

This means that roughtly speaking, in one year, the online player plays the equivalent of 10 years of live play. (and this is just at the committed recreational level)

Once the online player goes full time (40hrs + per week) the gap widens even further!

The second difference is information.

The online player has more information available via tracking software.

This allows him to more easily categorise players, and to categorise his own game.

Its far far easier to plug leaks with accurate figures than just a rough interpretation, which may or may not be accurate.

So online players have far more experience and information than live players and therefore build a more solid game much quicker.. (or fail and give up).. than their live counterparts.

Exactly. LOL. The amount of hands u can see online is 5-10x what u could see live, even more if u multitable. Save the fact that you can gauge your opponents physical reaction to ur bets or the cards, online poker is far easier than playing live. Not to mention, for me personally, i can pretty much do what i want when im playing online. If i need to go to the bathroom, its right there, a drink its in the fridge 10 feet away, there rly is no sense of anxiousness because you are (usually) in your home and u have all the comforts u need around u. Onlie play is 20x easier than live; only downfall is collusion (which isnt that big of deal i think, i play mtt) and inability to have physical read of opponents.
 
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