Technology used to cheat in casinos

[Stu_Ungar]

I wanted to address a couple of different things.

Ive already offered to prove who I was, no one responded, Send me a facebook message & I will respond, then you can post here to the others.

I have seen completely made up FB accounts before. Scammers have been known to completely fabricate FB accounts to establish a kind of background check.

We want to see a picture of you with CC in the background (you can yse the same camera as used to take the photo of the card).

If you want you can later put that photo on FB

 

[GabeC]

Ok, To understand why this is being done you have to look at the big picture, In other words be able to see the forest, not the trees.

casinos do not like no limit poker, when I 1st started playing it was limit poker. 7 card stud or 10 20 limit etc. No one gets hurt bad in these games. No limit was restricted to tournament format only. When No limit 1st become popluar in cash games, buy ins were restricted. Bellagio had a $200 cap on 2 5NL, Harrahs New Orleans had $200 cap on 2 5NL. Well in the bigger games, there were no caps in some locations. The bad players went broke extremely quick, good players winning money hand over fist. When I played games in ATL I used to travel to several different games a week & sometimes have to change games because between me & my girlfriend & the house we won most of the money, so no games.
Well now in casinos, many players in particulary on weekends play the same way, They play loose , too many hands, they're too passive. No value when have the best hand, call too much, get taken to value town etc.

Well, in order to keep players in the game that would otherwise go broke, casinos deal in parity, It's all about keeping the games going. Really bad players are given huge parody. They want to keep them around until they learn to play the game. The same way online. Last night I played with a guy that played every single hand for hours, he was automatic, he called every raise. To do that you have to be playing Q5 off, 8 4 etc. Theres no way to run those hands through 9 other players waiting on good hands without going broke. However it happens everynight in the particular place I'm speaking of. In a home game he would have went to the pocket several times, then gone. Well he won money.

This is absolutely huge in terms of long term growth & keeping the games going. It;s a handicap. Over 90% of players are going to lose anyway so they would never notice breaking even or losing, However if you have a huge edge, it's much more noticeable.

On top of that, If a pit player comes into the poker room, would you want him to lose to an elite poker player that doesn't play pit games, or would you rather see him win or hold his own, then take it to the pits, Think about it.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Ok, To understand why this is being done .............

, then take it to the pits, Think about it.

No data?

 

[Poof]

I have seen completely made up FB accounts before. Scammers have been known to completely fabricate FB accounts to establish a kind of background check.

I considered this two, but this account was made over 2 years ago, there are posts on pictures with him commenting dated in 2009. The pics are not dated, the comments he and others made were.
Not that I am stalking the hawt guy or anything....

 

[Stu_Ungar]

SIR, I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. The only reason that I was able to discover this is because of the cheating. The cards proved 99.999999% non random in almost every category I ran T-Test on. I knew for 100 % that it was happening before I ever had someone tell me that has seen the equipment used to do this in the casino, found the patents or had the card tested. I would have never fathomed such had I not discovered it through math first.

Just so everyone remembers where this figure of 99.99% comes from.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

I considered this two, but this account was made over 2 years ago, there are posts on pictures with him commenting dated in 2009.

Maybe he has been delusional for over 2 years?

I dont know.

TBH I dont much care, like I said before, if Neil Armstrong registered and started talking about an army consiricy to hide the fact the moon is made of cheese, the fact he was Neil Armstrong wouldn't be sufficient to make me believe without some evidence.

What I want to see is the data used to come up with the figure of 99.99%

 

[GabeC]

By the way, I've already pledged not to respond the in considerate delusional Shilltards at this thread. Maybe stu is delusional, making accusations a pro poker player has been hacked a fake facebook account & been posing making fake post with 700 friends to help the last 2 years. LMAO

I can play that game to , give me a break

 

[Stu_Ungar]

By the way, I've already pledged not to respond the in considerate delusional Shilltards at this thread. Maybe stu is delusional, making accusations a pro poker player has been hacked a fake facebook account & been posing making fake post with 700 friends to help the last 2 years. LMAO

I can play that game to , give me a break

You cant post the data to back up your claim because it dosent exist.

You lied.

 

[IveGot0uts]

That is awesome.

Someone asks for concrete evidence from you and you disqualify them from response? Well then I would like to submit to you the same request Stu did, and if I don't meet your moral standards perhaps Poofy could copy and paste the request, or someone else. I hope you realize how laughable that response was, and that it certainly did not serve the further your cause.

 

[WVHillbilly]

He'd better do it fast cause for "Gabe" there may be no tomorrow.

 

[donofbee]

Very interesting but sounds kinda hard to believe. I mean if this tuff gets out and its for real wowzerrs. CHEERS

 

[_dogmeat]

Who the hell is this Gabe guy? Is he anyone famous? I saw he said he's a world class poker player, but the way he's been talking and avoiding questions seems kinda fishy.

 

[Poof]

Who the hell is this Gabe guy? Is he anyone famous? I saw he said he's a world class poker player

Gabe is hawt pls don't ban him Hillbilly!

 

[baudib1]

ok, I call shenanigans. If you have not seen awful players going all the way with ATC and then win big, then I have to think you have never played live poker. In the long run they are going to lose, of course, but the long run is a lot longer than 100 hands or so of live poker. If you have 15 players come in and out of a game and they are all playing bingo, one of them is going to get lucky.

 

[LarkMarlow]

I've been reading this thread with great interest. The first thing I did was google "Gabe Costner" and I (like Pooffy) tend to believe you are who you say you are, Gabe.

However, your being who you claim to be does not necessarily lend veracity to what you're saying about magical cards. For the sake of argument, let's say that it is true. If that's the case, what's troubling me is that you haven't offered a solution. You've said that you want make us aware that this is going on--what is your purpose in doing so? You've said that you personally have been targeted and the industry is conspiring against you, but what in the world could we possibly do about that? Do you have a proposal in mind? Please know that my questions here are sincere.

 

[Poof]

I've been reading this thread with great interest. The first thing I did was google "Gabe Costner" and I (like Pooffy) tend to believe you are who you say you are, Gabe.

However, your being who you claim to be does not necessarily lend veracity to what you're saying about magical cards. For the sake of argument, let's say that it is true. If that's the case, what's troubling me is that you haven't offered a solution. You've said that you want make us aware that this is going on--what is your purpose in doing so? You've said that you personally have been targeted and the industry is conspiring against you, but what in the world could we possibly do about that? Do you have a proposal in mind? Please know that my questions here are sincere.

Thank you. I am not saying I believe all of it either, all I am saying is he is hawt, and I am willing to have an open mind. I now get the why, I am curious about the how, I get it is remote controlled or whatever, but how can they guarantee that the card they are producing is not one that is in someones hand.

 

[IveGot0uts]

The staff wizards use their wizard's staffs to direct the magic.

 

[alaskabill]

Who the hell is this Gabe guy? Is he anyone famous? I saw he said he's a world class poker player, but the way he's been talking and avoiding questions seems kinda fishy.

Dogmeat,

I tend to believe that he is who he says he is. If that's the case than he is a very successful live MTT player with a lot of cashes over the last several years. That's what makes this so strange. He's no luck box but someone who seems to know what he is doing. We all know that the vast majority of rigged believers are simply losing players who don't understand variance, probability, sample size etc.

Gabe's claims are not IMO believable but his standing in the poker world does make this a bit unusual.

 

[alaskabill]

alaskabill

Most poker theory whether it be cash or MTT strategy is mostly mathmatical based. There's much to learn on the forum if you have time to research it all. However most of this theory is becoming close to being solved in the way the games are being played now. That's why online the games are much tougher now & you probably will not be able to beat the rake soon even if it were random.

However in live poker there are many more dynamics, Recreational players play for well(recreation), they are gambling to have fun. This changes the whole dynamics as the pot sizes are differnet & hand ranges different, so you have to adapt. Most live players are loose passive rather than tight aggressive

But the number one edge in live poker bar none is being able to look at someone, there is so much more skill to live poker it's amazing. I would never give away the things I use to get my edge in live poker, I spent 10 years watching people & it't not easily learned. The best player in the world could never be someone that only stares at the flop & reads a story back in his mind trying to determine a range. That is definately part of it, but an elite player goes much further than this. To this day as long as ive played I could name all the players that can read these types of things on 1 hand. That's where I get my edge & why I finished 1st in the country in final tables in 2008 & how I went through 4400 players last year & over 7000 in the main event. If you want to get better at poker, start studying those things.

Having said all of that, that's precisely why I'm being cheated

Gabe, thanks for your response. I found it quite interesting. I believe that you would have quite a lot to share with us without giving up your edge if you are willing.

I have a question about your cheating claim. Its certainly not unheard of for cheating to occur. There were some well known cheating issues in the California card rooms back in the 60's and 70's as I recall. Is it possible that you have been cheated but not by such elaborate means? How many casinos do you believe you have been cheated in? Could it simply be good old fashioned collusion or possibly a crooked dealer?

I could believe either of those over transforming cards. Do you feel that this has happened on tournaments or is it only in cash games? Have you been a large winner in cash previously and had a recent large downswing?

Again, I could accept that cheating could happen at an individual table at an individual casino but the large scale and elaborate means raise question marks.

 

[NFS]

Like I've said before, there is no need to have equipment to transform cards. There are much, much, much easier ways to cheat and win the game.

If the objective is to kill a fly, use a flyswatter, not a heat-seeking missile.

 

[fletchdad]

I too am tending to believe that he is who he says he is, but not 100%, precisely because this would be the first long term winner who I have heard support a "poker is rigged" theory. Also because it is confusing to me that he would take the trouble to post these silly card pics and then add fuel to the fire by NOT posting the requested pic of himself. The "is it you" part of the discussion would be put to rest with that one simple move, and he seems to want it to remain a part of this thread...... Otherwise, why not just post the pic and be done with it?

There is technology being worked on that can do all kinds of amazing stuff, and most people I know do believe that. It is the "I am targeted" paranoia, without any backup of proof that the targeting exists anywhere but in the mind of OP, that has people ITT irritated.

Gabe seems to be a very knowledgeable and experienced player, and it would be a shame to have this be his only contribution to our community here. He does not want to give up an edge, but Moshman, Bwammo, q-tip, beach justice, Chuck ts, Clint Losch and so many more have all given advice and tips and insights to their playing style without worry of giving up an edge, so maybe paranoia is simply part of him, and what should we say except for Good luck at the tables, Gabe.

Lets use our time to play poker and learn, and let this get merged to where it belongs. Time, and life, are just too short


@ NFS: LMAO, flyswatter vs heat seeking missile

 

[Pascal-lf]

So a bad player sits down, and the casino doesn't want them losing money so they....and this is where I get lost. They deal out the cards, and then change the cards when they get to players? Does someone watch the game while it happens and clicks buttons on a computer and changes the cards which have already been dealt, or is it automatic? Do the cards change when they are moving across the table to the players, or do they change in the deck after it has been cut?

How do they change? Is there something underneath the table which can send a sort of signal to the cards? How is it precise enough to change one card at a time in a flash of an eye?

 

[dj11]

Think about this whole thread as if it is a poker hand. Gabe leads out, and is limp called by the whole damn table, C-bet on the flop, and he doesn't lose many if any. The pot odds at this point are such that they insure the whole damn table sees the river.

But we still await the turn......

 

[Poof]

Think about this whole thread as if it is a poker hand. Gabe leads out, and is limp called by the whole damn table, C-bet on the flop, and he doesn't lose many if any. The pot odds at this point are such that they insure the whole damn table sees the river.

But we still await the turn......

Please don't use Gabe and limp in the same sentence, kthanks.

 

[seanDCFC]

Well, in order to keep players in the game that would otherwise go broke, casinos deal in parity, It's all about keeping the games going. Really bad players are given huge parody. They want to keep them around until they learn to play the game. The same way online. Last night I played with a guy that played every single hand for hours, he was automatic, he called every raise. To do that you have to be playing Q5 off, 8 4 etc. Theres no way to run those hands through 9 other players waiting on good hands without going broke. However it happens everynight in the particular place I'm speaking of. In a home game he would have went to the pocket several times, then gone. Well he won money.

This is absolutely huge in terms of long term growth & keeping the games going. It;s a handicap. Over 90% of players are going to lose anyway so they would never notice breaking even or losing, However if you have a huge edge, it's much more noticeable.

So in live games who do you think decides who the bad players are? Do you believe there to be a guy in a backroom watching the game then changing the cards?