Technology used to cheat in casinos

[WVHillbilly]

Think about this whole thread as if it is a poker hand. Gabe leads out, and is limp called by the whole damn table, C-bet on the flop, and he doesn't lose many if any. The pot odds at this point are such that they insure the whole damn table sees the river.

But we still await the turn......

A more apt analogy would be that "Gabe" limped got a couple callers and I iso raised. Now the action is back on "Gabe" and we're all just sitting around waiting for him to act. I've called time and the floorman is on his way over to make a ruling and everyone at the table knows it's not going to go "Gabe's" way.

 

[dj11]

A more apt analogy would be that "Gabe" limped got a couple callers and I iso raise. Now the action is back on "Gabe" and we're all just sitting around waiting for him to act. I've called time and the floorman is on his way over to make a ruling and everyone at the table knows it's not going to go "Gabe's" way.

That's how you read the table, My seat sees it different..

 

[Pascal-lf]

I see Gabe more as the drunk, loud guy who has just sat down at the table (he's new, but he's been banned before from other casinos and everyone knows it) and has instantly started mouthing off about how rigged live poker is and laying into everyone. The dealer is anxious and is already trying to catch the eye of the floorman. Everyone knows it'll all be over soon, but are secretly kinda enjoying it as he starts insulting an innocent old lady, because they would never do it themselves.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Gabe seems to be a very knowledgeable and experienced player, and it would be a shame to have this be his only contribution to our community here.

If this is Gabe, and I still say if then its fair to say at this point that he is a conspiracy nut.

Have you ever met a conspiracy nut who wasn't also extremely paranoid?

He would never share anything with you for fear it would be used against him, in fact if he is paranoid enough he might even purposely mislead you into doing the wrong thing so as to protect his "secrets".

Do not expect to get any poker related help from this guy.. ever.

 

[LarkMarlow]

If this is Gabe, and I still say if then its fair to say at this point that he is a conspiracy nut.

I agree.

Have you ever met a conspiracy nut who wasn't also extremely paranoid?

As I alluded in my post, neither fame, fortune nor renowned poker prowess preclude serious psychological conditions. I'm sure we can all name a number of top players who have shown themselves to be emotionally unstable.

And yes, paranoia is apparent in most of what Gabe has written, as is self-absorption.

Seems to me the guy needs professional help, but that's a hard sell with such personality types.

 

[GabeC]

Do any of you know who Harry Markopolos is?

Later this month, Bernard L. Madoff will be sentenced for what is believed to be the largest financial fraud in history. He will most likely spend the rest of his life behind bars. Yet there is still much we don't know about the scam, which involved by some account a fraud of more than $50 billion. Investigators are still trying to figure out who all was involved and where the money went.

But the proof that it happened can be found in the ruined lives of thousands of victims. The one person who knows the most and is willing to talk about it is Harry Markopolos, the man who figured out Madoff's scheme before anyone else.

Harry figured out something wasn't right with less than 10% of the statistcal evidence that I've gathered from recording hands.



I just wander how many idiots called him a conspiracy nut as he provided evidence using statistics because they tried to figure out how & why someone would do this as there evidence rather than looking at the actuall evidence itself. Biased opinions get in the way of reality.




Lark , I like how you worded your 1st question, It did seem sincere, I was ready to provide some thoughtful analysis to it , but it seems to your last post that you're not much better than some of the others here like STU, The fact that someone has antirigtard under their handle just proves the bias as to someone with a rose colored view of the world rather than reality.



And by the way, thx for diagnosis from you all, Paranoid delusional & conspiracy nut seemed to be the buzz word these days from naive people talking about someone thats deals in reality. Prove has shown over the years people that use the word conspiracy theory have lower IQs than those who are called it. That's a fact. Sorry guys

Have any of you ever thought that someone more intelligent than you might actually be able to see the big picture, the truth & reality in a clearer way than someone that lives in there box way of thinking. It's probably never crossed your mind.

One of my good friends is a psychcologist, he calls me sometime to talk when he wants a fresh breath of rationalism & concrete thought on a subject. I'm the guy that my friends call when they have real problems that they want advice on, not because I'm paranoid delusional, but because I see all the angles.

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[Stu_Ungar]

Do any of you know who Harry Markopolos is?
......

y friends call when they have real problems that they want advice on, not because I'm paranoid delusional, but because I see all the angles.

Still not posting the data you claimed to have eh?

Why did you lie? They only come back to haunt you.

 

[GabeC]

Pascal - No one inside of the pokerroom would know about this. It can be done remotely as long as the casinos have the equipment & cards inside, which they do. Casinos use electromagnetic radiaton through the camera system, thus the use of dark filter domes.

Gaming commission has access to the camera system at all casinos from a remote location. Biometrics are used to identify everyone playing. Facial recognition, & various other biometrics, tatoos , moles. Hundreds of pictures of you are taken from all angles & stored inside of a database & you are identified by these whenever you walk into the door. Future player tracking will not involve players cards, but will just use biometrics & bet recogniton through RFID.

If you don't belive it, just go to google patents & start reading patents from Bally technologies & other companies like IGT & shufflemaster. It will blow your mind how advanced the technology is inside.

But to really answer your question, It's all automated. No one is sitting up in surveillance picking you out

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Paranoid delusional & conspiracy nut seemed to be the buzz word these days from naive people talking about someone thats deals in reality. Prove has shown over the years people that use the word conspiracy theory have lower IQs than those who are called it. That's a fact. Sorry guys

You must have a really high IQ then, and I mean really really high.

Why do they test IQs? Is it so the government can identify the troublemakers at an early age? Seems kind of pointless to test something and then never make use of those tests.

Future player tracking will not involve players cards, but will just use biometrics & bet recogniton through RFID.

Are the walls in your home covered in newspaper cuttings and string?

 

[Stu_Ungar]

One of my good friends is a psychcologist, he calls me sometime to talk when he wants a fresh breath of rationalism & concrete thought on a subject.

Maybe he is just checking up on you?

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Harry figured out something wasn't right with less than 10% of the statistcal evidence that I've gathered from recording hands.

Would that be the very same statistical evidence you wont let us see?

 

[brank]

Interesting, so the deck is changed/stacked before its dealt out to the players in order to keep winners from winning? This has happened to you and you have proof of it? Can I see some of this proof?

 

[LarkMarlow]

Lark , I like how you worded your 1st question, It did seem sincere, I was ready to provide some thoughtful analysis to it , but it seems to your last post that you're not much better than some of the others here

　
　
I don't feel that my agreeing with others about one aspect of what you have written negates the sincerity of my earlier questions at all. Clearly you do, and I hear that.
　
　
While I would be happy to discuss that difference between us with you I feel that you and I, as well as everyone here, would all be better served if we focus on the possibility of meaningful dialogue about what you did like.
　
　
As such, I would like to respectfully suggest that you rethink your decision and share your thoughts. Thanks!

 

[Steve922]

No, you can't Brank.

Gabe wanders more and more but keeps well away from anything resembling proof.

Steve

 

[GabeC]

Let me say that throughout our history on earth there has no doubtably been thousands of examples of mankinds greed & error in judgement that have been orchastrated as large conspiracies as the masses failed to notice until it was too late or almost too late. Well just list Bernie Madoff & Adolf Hitler as public examples of this. These were not orchastrated alone & the masses were fooled by them. In hitlers case propaganda fed to the masses of people that take things at face value without asking questions.
I'll use some posters at this forum as well as the whole organization at 2+2 as an example of how masses tend to crowd on one side to try & discredit what they believe not to be the truth. This is counterproductive to producing the truth. I am also a daytrader. The stockmarket works in a similar matter as the market most always moves in the direction to make the majority wrong. In daytrading 1% of the traders make all the money the other 99% are losing. In other words the 1% is smarter than the other 99%. Peoples emotions drive them to place bets at the exact wrong times. Their logic is counterintuitive because anything they can come up with has already been priced into the market, only the angles (look at the forest not the trees) that they can't see have been exploited by the 1%. This is only to show you how the majority is normally not correct. This is precisely how I've been able to make a living

 

[baudib1]

Occam's Razor FTW.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Godwin's law FTB.

 

[baudib1]

Gabe, please tell me if you disagree with any of these statements:

1. Having gaming license to run casino is license to print money.
2. Risking license to cheat poker players is not worth losing gaming license.
3. Changing cards can easily and will inevitably quickly spotted as someone will either notice cards are changed or the same card will show up twice at showdown.
4. Casinos make money off poker games regardless of who wins due to rake, winning players often dump winnings at craps/roulette/blackjack slots.
5. If Casinos didn't like No-Limit Hold'em, they wouldn't offer it.
6. Having a mechanic work with house player or rigged autoshuffler is far easier to utilize.

 

[Poof]

Gabe, please tell me if you disagree with any of these statements:

1. Having gaming license to run casino is license to print money.
2. Risking license to cheat poker players is not worth losing gaming license.
3. Changing cards can easily and will inevitably quickly spotted as someone will either notice cards are changed or the same card will show up twice at showdown.
4. Casinos make money off poker games regardless of who wins due to rake, winning players often dump winnings at craps/roulette/blackjack slots.
5. If Casinos didn't like No-Limit Hold'em, they wouldn't offer it.
6. Having a mechanic work with house player or rigged autoshuffler is far easier to utilize.

He can't

Goodwin's Law FTB

Bully

Occam's Razor FTW.

He did respond with this:

"The principle is often inaccurately summarized as "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one." This summary is misleading, however, since the principle is actually focused on shifting the burden of proof in discussions.[3] That is, the razor is a principle that suggests we should tend towards simpler theories (see justifications section below) until we can trade some simplicity for increased explanatory power. Contrary to the popular summary, the simplest available theory is sometimes a less accurate explanation. Philosophers also add that the exact meaning of "simplest" can be nuanced in the first place.[4]"

 

[NFS]

Casinos use electromagnetic radiaton through the camera system, thus the use of dark filter domes.

Actually, the reason why dark domes cover the surveillance cameras is so patrons cannot see where the cameras are pointing.

If casinos implemented electromagnetic radiation in their equipment, all the staff, dealers, and regulars would be dying of cancer.

 

[alaskabill]

Godwin's law FTB.

I'd never heard of Godwin's Law before. I learn things on this forum all of the time.

Oh well, it was definitely more interesting than the usual riggy stuff.

It kind of reminds me of Bobby Fischer. Fischer was arguably the greatest chess player of all time. He had an extremely high IQ. He also spent the last 30+ years of his life ranting about Jewish conspiracies (and he was Jewish) and claiming that all modern professional chess games were prearranged.

The sad thing is people like OP are smart enough and function well enough in other areas, that they almost never get the help they need. It will get worse with age and will not end well.

Gabe, if you read this I know you won't believe me but good luck to you and please consider the possibility of discussing this things with your friend the psychologist.

 

[vanquish]

cliffs of the 50000 posts ITT?

 

[WVHillbilly]

New Guy:
Claims to be poker pro Gabe Costner.
Thinks Casinos are cheating using cards that can be changed to keep the fish in the game (how exactly is unclear as is who is doing the changing but it goes REALLY high up)
Posts random youtube vids, pictures of a card that he cut the corners out of and patent claims as proof
Has no proof.
Did "mathematical" analysis the proves 99.99% positive that live poker is rigged.
Never posts said analysis.
Refuses to answer the direct questions of "shilltards" like Stu and myself.
Refuses to prove he's who he claims
Is paranoid delusional
Gets banned

/thread

 

[vanquish]

banned?


aww!!!

 

[WVHillbilly]

Yeah. He was getting boring and repetitive. No fun to play with anymore.

Apparently this is what he does every where. He claims to have had 25 accounts banned on 2+2 for his lunacy.