Poker is rigged, why do people still play this game for a living?

[JPoling]

Cheating players does not make a pokersite rigged. Also, i mean does it suprise you people try to cheat at poker? This dates all the way back to old west times even with the versions of card games they played back then. Cheats still exist even at live games, probably shady back-door operation games, but they still exist. Since the old west tomes we have had 3 types of gamblers basically. Cheats/fishies/good players. Only difference is now a days youre less likely to get killed over cheating, well also depends where and who caught you. Now back to topic. Obviously, we have to lose at poker sometimes, can't always win right? Yet if you play good enough in long run you will be making money. Also, a lot of people don't understand the time, dedication, craving to learn or get better at poker. I feel as a lot of people look at poker as it is easy, which can be cause they don't play it, or they are not in a deep enough level to think about things. I didnt just wake up good at poker. I still don't consider myself great. I still make bad plays, i still have some leaks i am trying to fix. Yet, I know if I keep gaining knowledge and trying to implement it in my game the results will show. AND THEY HAVE! You know how you can tell if you are getting better at poker? Simple, should be able to tjink about past experiences and think "Wow I played like an idiot, happy I learned not to do that anymore" took me about 5 years on-n-off playing/studying to get where I am and I still have so much more to go. I hope this post inspires you to get better at the game and not over-worry about cheats/rigged. I will leave on this note, my ROI even though over small sample, like little under 200 games consisting of MTTs/DONs/SNGs os roughly 80% last I remember. So if poker is rigged/cheated they are doing it wrong lol. Especiallt since account I am referring to is my Carbon one, the one I started with a free $5 FROM THEM. Why would they even let me build up off that $5 if it was rigged/cheated?

 

[bullishwwd]

Poker is not "rigged."

You do realize that whatever a player loses, another player(s) wins, right? The "house" only collects rake from the total pot, no matter who wins.

Of course players make money playing poker. If you're not, then you haven't put in the effort to improve your game. It's also a long-term game. Depending on who does the study, it's reported that between 10-30% of "serious" online poker players are winning players. The vast majority of recreational players, which you sound like, treat poker like gambling, which is why they lose. Poker is a skill game with an aspect of chance, rather than most casino/gambling games that are virtually all chance with little to no skill aspect. But if you don't put forth the effort to acquire the skill, the distinction is lost so you might as well be playing craps.

EXACTLY ... could not have been stated any better.

Poker is NOT RIGGED anymore than "your life" is rigged

Good luck, Wally

 

[rdm4k]

FYP.

Yeah, agree..players out there collude and try cheat others out of money but this happens live swell as online but online poker isn't rigged.

yeah ram, totally agree-.

For the record I am an ex online grinder, I actually play recreationally and, if I thought it was rigged, there was no reason for me to play. Isnt it??

The fact is, what I have state above, is true. Definitely true.
Fortunately pokerstars exist, a big poker room which fight everyday against cheating to preserve the game. PS is the number one in security and does its best considering every player report.
I feel safe playing on PS, as I felt safe playing on FTP at the time. I am an Italian player, a market with regulation, where everyday happen irregularity and even though PS tries its best to stop the phenomenon, it couldnt really do too much vs tons of cheating strategies used by (mother******** players). There is a scandal going on which involve some top players .it no-on e could believe was true they were cheating. We use to call it: the team of poker scandal, where players play using skype, sharing cards-
The there is the ghosting problem: ie.: selling a final table costs the 25% of the profit.

This is what's happening right now on PS.it, the major worldwide and on the IT as well, and on i-poker, on-game.

I truly believe the .com is "infested" as well as the .it. The positive thing of an open market such as PS.com, is the large field. On a larger field the odds to make a final table are less than a smaller field (1k ppls vs 100 ppls).
Trust me, find yourself in a sandwich between two top regs (who already have edge on you), move the roi to negative.

This is the MTT only, I dont want to think the cash game ect. Then, in a MTT, a collusion has a stronger impact respect the CG. Playing 20/25x has much higher variance and so, be cheated on a FT even once per month KILL your roi.

I am really sick of it and i am not even a regular which play for a living.

The general problem is not the poker online is rigged, the issue is that where are monies, everything is rigged and there are always people trying to take dirty advantages.

 

[BenjiHustle]

Can we just all learn how to spell pursue, please?

 

[sj_pi]

See very often we hear about poker being a game of skill.

It has to add up somewhere right?

Not everyone can be wrong about the game being about skill.

If you do anything to earn a living, that becomes your choice.

Beauty of the game being 'everyone thinks they can master this game', there are far more recreational players than professional players.

Having said that, based on the responses above.. there are profitable recreational players.

There are unprofitable players who play this game professsionally.

Being profitable and playing professionally are NOT mutually exclusive.

 

[JPoling]

Can we just all learn how to spell pursue, please?

[MK voice] WHOOOPSIEEE

 

[BenjiHustle]

I thought that guy said "Toasty"... Lol

Speaking of hobbies that cost money; how much money has anyone made playing video games? Talking about sinking 10's of thousands of dollars into something.

 

[JPoling]

I thought that guy said "Toasty"... Lol

Speaking of hobbies that cost money; how much money has anyone made playing video games? Talking about sinking 10's of thousands of dollars into something.

$0. I begged and begged my mother to let me go to video game tournaments back when Halo first came out and battlefield. Not saying I was the best. But i gurantee i could of had a hell of a team back then. I was young though, no worries, no job or bills. I'll be damn if anyone hates on video games. Video games pretty much raised me. Probably why I have horrible eye-sight lol. But my hand-eye coordination is outstanding. Logic and problem solving...probably learned a lot from games. Math? Psh, how you think I figure out stats/gear/equipment on RPGs. I still can remember first game i beat lol. Was like 3 or 4. Super Mario World for SNES. Had my own NES in my room. I was pretty smart for a 3-4 year old, well least at video games

 

[teepack]

I guarantee you if I played golf every weekend I would spend a helluva lot more on that "hobby" - with no shot at ever winning any of that money back or getting free rounds of golf because I am so darn good that people want me to play at their course - than I ever spend playing online poker. I also guarantee you that there are thousands and thousands of players out there every week dreaming of making it as a professional golfer, spending thousands of dollars on lessons, clubs, equipment, greens fees, etc., but out of those thousands, only a few hundred ever do it well enough to make a lot of money at it. Every kind of career you can try is a gamble, if you think about it.

 

[dj11]

Advice for OP, don't entertain any notion of making a killing playing poker. Instead play poker because it is entertaining. Try to not lose to much to fast, it will be more enjoyable that way.

 

[steviewayne69]

Nobody forces anyone to gamble. Any hobby costs money. I know people who spend over $1k on a 1 or 2 hour trip to shoot at the side of a mountain.

Personally, I've only made money playing poker and have done a lot of good with what I've made. It's the only hobby I know of that pays you back.

Thank you for saying that. It's true that hobbies cost money, albeit poker, collecting cards, smoking cigars, video gaming, etc. I love the point you're making because it's about what we do with our spare time and money and what brings each of us our own happiness. These people you know sound interesting, but to each their own with respect to their happiness. You're right that no-one forces anyone to gamble, and I feel that if they really had a problem then either they should have sought help or someone in their life should have intervened. either way, they responsible in some way for their situation.

 

[rifflemao]

the online poker companies sent [/COLOR][/COLOR]mislead information such that all players can win. Do we want our younger generation being unproductive, grinding up " dream fortune" in front of their laptop? It is such a shame for online poker ambassador such as Daniel Negreanu to deliver that mislead public message. Remember, online poker companies acts as a "house" at the moment, they offer dream, put the biggest prize of tournament in the first line on the tournament lobby, and hope you keep hoping.

(Colman? That you??)

 

[fletchdad]

Nah you're just really lucky

BOOM!

 

[BearPlay]

 

[JPoling]

(Colman? That you??)

HA! You just won best post ITT.

 

[PLAYFUL1]

How many of you here who makes consistent profit from it? you aren't going to lose only money, but time. Tell me the reason why we should keep playing poker for living? in the past it's just a gambling game to hang out and having fun, they know even the best player can lose, so they play this game for Fun, until the online poker companies overrate the game by doing massive marketing to attract innocent young players to believe they can make a living from it. Okay, we know some players can make a hell lot of money from it. But what is the proportion compared to the losing players? yet the people so called "winning" players, some of them went broke and going into gambling rehabilitation. the online poker companies sent mislead information such that all players can win. Do we want our younger generation being unproductive, grinding up " dream fortune" in front of their laptop? It is such a shame for online poker ambassador such as Daniel Negreanu to deliver that mislead public message. Remember, online poker companies acts as a "house" at the moment, they offer dream, put the biggest prize of tournament in the first line on the tournament lobby, and hope you keep hoping.

Online poker is KNOT rigged, just watch out the chip leader ina hand,they seem to catch their cards more easily. Just a fact:handkiss:

 

[rdm4k]

Online poker is KNOT rigged, just watch out the chip leader ina hand,they seem to catch their cards more easily. Just a fact:handkiss:

Adduce arguments or GTFO plz.
It's a tough subject. I have always lol'd in the face of people saying poker rigged but sometimes shit happens. It's a fact.
Besides all, this world is rigged....so what y can expect?

 

[PLAYINBIG]

Poker is not "rigged."

You do realize that whatever a player loses, another player(s) wins, right? The "house" only collects rake from the total pot, no matter who wins.

Of course players make money playing poker. If you're not, then you haven't put in the effort to improve your game. It's also a long-term game. Depending on who does the study, it's reported that between 10-30% of "serious" online poker players are winning players. The vast majority of recreational players, which you sound like, treat poker like gambling, which is why they lose. Poker is a skill game with an aspect of chance, rather than most casino/gambling games that are virtually all chance with little to no skill aspect. But if you don't put forth the effort to acquire the skill, the distinction is lost so you might as well be playing craps.

Well said & I agree with you,dmorris68.

 

[JPoling]

Adduce arguments or GTFO plz.
It's a tough subject. I have always lol'd in the face of people saying poker rigged but sometimes shit happens. It's a fact.
Besides all, this world is rigged....so what y can expect?

So are you saying it is rigged? If so, evidence or GTFO plz. I mean RIGGED not cheaters just to clarify.also, if i misinterpeted that i apologise but if i didnt i stick to my first response.

 

[chory1414]

It's like drugs can easily get hooked but hard to jump off. Everyone chooses their own path

 

[DrazaFFT]

Yeah! Poker is rigged! I lost money because of how rigged poker is! I'm tired of all this damn poker rigging all over the place!

Actually I don't think poker is rigged in the slightest, I believe poker has variance and swings involved but it isn't rigged.

Right now I'm a losing player but that's why I'm here, to improve my gameplay and fix the leaks I have to become mildly profitable at some point.

If you're losing money playing poker maybe you should try to address the issues with your gameplay before throwing out a blanket statement like "poker is rigged", I assure you some players on here are profitable. Nobody is forcing you to play poker and you can stop at any point if you truly believe it's rigged.

Nd you my friend with the state i highlighted have made a giant step ahead in getting better in poker!!!! I know, because i see how diferent i am as a player now when i realised that im really bad and that i need to learn a lot, i still have to learn a lot and work a lot to be a player i want to be... Realizing that it is no one else fault but yours and that no big corporation is picked on you to take your money puts you ahead of maybe 90% (pure assumption) of all players that ever had an idea to make money playing poker. I honestly wish you a good luck and i wash you to achieve your goal in get good at poker because players and members with mindset you have are great addition to any poker community!!!


I might be a little high on nicotine right now

@OP and everyone who believe that rooms are unfair with all the campaign in popularization of poker or it is all rigged or whatever, what do you say about companies that sell miracle diet supplements, miracle abb machines, 3 minute abbs programs, protein shakes promoted by heavy roided bodybuilders???? Is it fair??? Is it scam???

Poker world marketing is not much different than any other but knowledgeable person will know what is scam what is reality, you can have ripped body and 6-pack but not with miracle machines, you can be good at poker and be winner but not by watching "as the button moves" but by busting your ass playing learning, studying and analyzing your game, there is no shortcuts in life, only on your desktop... good luck at the tables

 

[Cymro]

Should anyone who is perusing a career in music become rich and successful?? yes you don't have, but in poker, you can be in minus, while it would never be in music

Of course you can lose money in music. You invest in equipment, possibly studio time, travel costs, marketing etc.

 

[kurz]

I guarantee you if I played golf every weekend I would spend a helluva lot more on that "hobby" - with no shot at ever winning any of that money back or getting free rounds of golf because I am so darn good that people want me to play at their course - than I ever spend playing online poker. I also guarantee you that there are thousands and thousands of players out there every week dreaming of making it as a professional golfer, spending thousands of dollars on lessons, clubs, equipment, greens fees, etc., but out of those thousands, only a few hundred ever do it well enough to make a lot of money at it. Every kind of career you can try is a gamble, if you think about it.

I you have a Hobby even if it is poker it is okay. But to do some of Kind of Sport is much more important.

 

[WiZZiM]

why hasn't this been merged yet?

 

[Zorba]

why hasn't this been merged yet?

No Idea, I wish it had been as I don't read that thread, unfortunately I read this one.