Zooming around on nit Land!!

[Logan2]

Not happy with my gameplay today, need to review lot of hands.



One that keep in mind, lol 4b folding

poker stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

BTN: $5.00 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 0.7, Hands: 159
SB: $5.00
BB: $12.42
UTG: $8.99
Hero (UTG+1): $5.07
UTG+2: $5.56
MP1: $2.93
MP2: $2.83
CO: $2.50

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG+1 with K

K

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 4 folds, BTN raises to $0.45, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.01, BTN raises to $5, 1 fold


Also, i´m becoming more than a nit, on 6k hands so far on 5nl Zoom i´m playing 10/8. People´s ranges are so tight that feel need to tight myself a lot when is open before get to me.
Not sure what to do.

 

[micromachine]

GL Man.

Think I would just get those Kings in, 4bet folding with KK seems way too nitty. Yeah he is a nit and his 3bet is only 2%, but the hand sample isn't huge so it might be higher in reality, I would fold AK or QQ there, but not KK.

Also, i´m becoming more than a nit, on 6k hands so far on 5nl Zoom i´m playing 10/8. People´s ranges are so tight that feel need to tight myself a lot when is open before get to me.
Not sure what to do.

This is why I dont like Zoom, it seems like the only way to beat it is to be more nitty than the nits. Even the fish are nittier, which is why I would prefer to play 12 tables regular than 4 tables of Zoom, might get slightly less hands in but when you have fish 5 bet shoving ATs and calling down for their whole stack with underpairs it more than makes up for it. Not a fan of Zoom as you can see but good luck to you, hope you crush the 5nl

 

[benevg]

...I would prefer to play 12 tables regular than 4 tables of Zoom, might get slightly less hands in ...

agreed on the softness, but lol at the "slightly less hands in". i would think it will be at most half the hands...

 

[Logan2]

GL Man.

Think I would just get those Kings in, 4bet folding with KK seems way too nitty. Yeah he is a nit and his 3bet is only 2%, but the hand sample isn't huge so it might be higher in reality, I would fold AK or QQ there, but not KK.



This is why I dont like Zoom, it seems like the only way to beat it is to be more nitty than the nits. Even the fish are nittier, which is why I would prefer to play 12 tables regular than 4 tables of Zoom, might get slightly less hands in but when you have fish 5 bet shoving ATs and calling down for their whole stack with underpairs it more than makes up for it. Not a fan of Zoom as you can see but good luck to you, hope you crush the 5nl

I agree with you MM, i feel make lot of mistakes yesterday. However, on 10nl find that people is not stacking QQ on 100bb´s that often, but forgot that this is 5nl.

agreed on the softness, but lol at the "slightly less hands in". i would think it will be at most half the hands...

Yeah, I think read Zoom is 4x regular tables, meaning that 4tabling Zoom is like 16-tabling normal tables which i can´t, even 12 tabling i barely make 1k hands on normal tables and with the same time invested i´m reaching 2k+ on Zoom.

Agree too on softness on regular tables, but also i lost a lot of time table selecting and waiting ages because waiting lists, and looking all the time to lobby when tables die, that is why i love Zoom. I just enter and play, if have to go out and return in 30minutes i can just get out and get in fast, were on regular tables will take like 20 minutes just to can load all 12 tables, then when leave and return need to wait again to get all tables up, so that´s why my volume was sucking there. On Zoom even if have only 20-30 minutes free i know can enter and play, i never do that on regulars beause the time it takes to load all tables.

I will never think can reach 40-50k hands/month on normal tables, i do think can reach that on Zoom, maybe even more. I just need to stop been a ****ing nit.


@Acky, what is your vpip on Zoom?

 

[Logan2]

I hate this spots when i don´t even want to play a hand in the first place but is "free".


Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

BTN: $5.42
SB: $5.19
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $2.16
UTG+1: $1.64
UTG+2: $5.00
MP1: $8.18
MP2: $5.64
CO: $7.29 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 8

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 5

8

3 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO calls $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.22) 3

8

8

(4 players)
Hero bets $0.13, MP1 folds, CO calls $0.13, BTN folds

Turn: ($0.48) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.52, CO calls $0.52

River: ($1.52) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.17, CO raises to $3.05, Hero ??


​

 

[ScottishMatt]

Disgusting. You gotta fold it though, you are out-kicked too many times.

 

[vinylspiros]

I hate this spots when i don´t even want to play a hand in the first place but is "free".​

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players​

BTN: $5.42
SB: $5.19
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $2.16
UTG+1: $1.64
UTG+2: $5.00
MP1: $8.18
MP2: $5.64
CO: $7.29 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 8​

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 5

8

3 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO calls $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero checks​

Flop: ($0.22) 3

8

8

(4 players)
Hero bets $0.13, MP1 folds, CO calls $0.13, BTN folds​

Turn: ($0.48) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.52, CO calls $0.52​

River: ($1.52) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.17, CO raises to $3.05, Hero ??​

well its a call unfortunately but it looks like you may be beat,cause its pretty obvious that you have the 8 so if thats not worrying villain then it should be worrying you.

but call all day everyday. Im never folding this. ever ever. ever ever ever.

 

[acky100]

personally i fold pretty quick

 

[TylerN]

why would u never ever ever fold this?

 

[Logan2]

Two small sessions today.

Second session cut 1 table because trying to work out a starting range that not be so nit and looking also for good spots to 3b more.
It works ok but still ended playing 11/9 ¡JA!, 3b is improving, increase from 3.2 to 4.6
Also working on my cb´s, was cbeting like a robot (78.9), now trying to cb with a reason on good spots and down to 66.5.





Question for this one.

Do you guys think i´m losing value by not 5b shoving vs min 5b trying to induce a call?, or if villain going to call the min still could call a jam?.
Not sure if only giving him the odds to suck-out on me or we do are getting more value on long term by just min-5betting?. After Villain call the 5b he got $1.77 left.

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -

BTN: $7.82
SB: $5.00
BB: $11.97
UTG: $14.58
UTG+1: $4.69
UTG+2: $4.30 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 8.0, Hands: 88
MP1: $4.71
Hero (MP2): $6.02
CO: $5.07

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP2 with A

A

2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 4 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $2.38, UTG+2 calls $1.18

Flop: ($4.83) T

T

J

(2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $3.64, UTG+2 folds

 

[acky100]

I think jamming is better, keep it simple

 

[Logan2]

After 10k hands marginal winning (1bi), still early for any conclusion there but not happy with my gameplay at the time. A lot of work to do on several areas.



​

 

[Logan2]

Couple hands

Cry fold or nit fold? (or both ja)

Small hand example of villain but only can work with what i got at the time so.

I discard 33/55-QQ, and also most draw hands because his nit range, maybe can add AdQd or AdJd to his range, so or he have those draws or a set or AKo (he can´t have AdKd)
so not sure he will go to war there with AKo or the draws vs so many players with his stats?, and with the draws will expect he shove not just raise.
Also considering we have blockers for all hands we beat i decide to fold.


Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

BTN: $1.89
SB: $7.02 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 27
BB: $5.19 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 3.5, Hands: 128
UTG: $2.15
Hero (UTG+1): $5.00
UTG+2: $4.27
MP1: $5.00
MP2: $7.20 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 55
CO: $5.51

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG+1 with A

A

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.75) K

2

4

(5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.68, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $1.90, SB folds, BB folds, Hero folds

​

 

[ScottishMatt]

I fold there as well. Then again I'm a nit.

 

[Logan2]

Stats looks fishy but is 100bbs player and tiny example, does he could do this with T or J spades?? Should i bet turn?


Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

BTN: $2.50 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 33, AF: NaN, Hands: 5
SB: $11.21 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 37
BB: $5.07 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 42, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 19
UTG: $4.11
UTG+1: $9.73
UTG+2: $20.75
MP1: $4.31
MP2: $9.97
Hero (CO): $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with T

Q

5 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 5

8

6

(2 players)
BB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.72) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.72) J

(2 players)
BB bets $4.72, Hero ??????

 

[ScottishMatt]

Why not bet the turn? The reason you called was to get there right?

I probably B/F the turn. As played though, I gotta think he has the As, more because of the donk than anything else. We have no info about his AI requirements so I don't think the river shove tells us much. I do have a lot of experience with donk bets in general and I doubt he donk bets the J/Ts here. One explanation is that he flopped the J/T high flush in which case he is more likely to take the same line as he would with the As.

Overall a really tough spot. Most of what I said above is just speculation, me being a pussy means I probably fold and wait for reads and/or a better spot. The fact is if he is doing this with J/Ts then you are going to have an easy time taking his money anyway. Why risk the variance in such an unknown spot?

 

[Logan2]

I don´t bet the turn because his donk bet on flop could be that he hit a set and don´t want that i check back because if another spade come he will hate his life if he don´t have a spade, so when the spade come on turn and he check if i bet he will just fold (which thinking now was fine). So my plan was that if i check back turn he try a stack to steal the pot with a random min bet or something like that. Stupid thinking of me because is playing 47/42 and probably was playing face up, meaning he have a flush on flop or at least a draw like me.

In short, i think too much what he will do if he don´t have a spade and backfire me on my face.
​

 

[ic1uc1]

interesting info

 

[ScottishMatt]

You've got one of "those" in your thread Logan! Kill it! Kill it! Before it breeds!

On topic though. A muppet like this will probably call with a set/two pair OTT to try and fill up. He can definitely donk the flop with those hands so that is why I prefer a turn bet. Maybe not even a large one, just like half pot. You also get to check back the river more often with C/B than with C/X.

Just seems like you can net some value from worse hands with a turn bet and also get to showdown more often, which is your goal here. Again though if you are going to get any value from sets and two pair hands you are more likely to get it on the turn where they have a chance to improve.

 

[Logan2]

Agree with you Matt



Up 2.4 bi´s today, almost end BE but last 300 hands save the day.



After a week zooming i think now can see what could archive there on volume. 2k hands/day minimun should be fine.
This mean that could aim to 55-60k hands/month which is almost the total i got this year (and take me 4 months lol , already say i love zoom? )

So unless get borred on the next month i should stay on this for some time.

Goals need to reach before move up.

- $250 BR to take a 5bi shot on 10nl
- At least 50k hands on 5nl zoom with a bb/100 of 5+
- Stop been a nit before move up (or i will be crushed on 10nl.)


Talking on that, today see a Supernova Elite on one of my tables and was running 16/15,
so need to stop been a pussie and wide my range to at least 14/11-13/10.
10/8 at the time, will check back when reach 20k hands.


​

 

[Jackle43]

When I was playing ZOOM poker crack, I really didnt NIT up as much as people said I would. I just focused on playing my normal 6max opening range from each position. And the BTN is so easy to abuse in zoooom. No one at 5nl was playing BVB that I found

 

[benevg]

the aces hand is a good fold. the spades hand i think i hero-call the overshove. he will have sets so much of the time, i believe, and then your check-back was a good deceptive maneuver that you have no spades

Goals need to reach before move up.

- $250 BR to take a 5bi shot on 10nl

nitty (but then again probably prudent). you don't feel comfortable playing 5nl with less than 40 BI?

- At least 50k hands on 5nl zoom with a bb/100 of 5+

if you are currently running lower than that, i hope you are setting your filters to "last 50k hands"

- Stop been a nit before move up (or i will be crushed on 10nl.)

you will not be crushed on 10nl if you are a nit. chances are, you are more likely to get crushed if you play loose. that said, i run something like 22/20 on 25nl, so i should not be talking much though i keep thinking i should nit up a bit.

Talking on that, today see a Supernova Elite on one of my tables and was running 16/15,
so need to stop been a pussie and wide my range to at least 14/11-13/10

.
10/8 at the time, will check back when reach 20k hands.
[/LEFT]

see, even a SNE who' played millions of hands would not dare loosen up too much, why do you want to? :hmmmm:

 

[Logan2]

When I was playing ZOOM poker crack, I really didnt NIT up as much as people said I would. I just focused on playing my normal 6max opening range from each position. And the BTN is so easy to abuse in zoooom. No one at 5nl was playing BVB that I found

Why you stop playing zoom?

the aces hand is a good fold. the spades hand i think i hero-call the overshove. he will have sets so much of the time, i believe, and then your check-back was a good deceptive maneuver that you have no spades

I did call the overshove and he face up the Ace of spades, but wondering if calling on long term was still ok.

- $250 BR to take a 5bi shot on 10nl

nitty (but then again probably prudent). you don't feel comfortable playing 5nl with less than 40 BI?

On regular FR tables yes, 30bi should be fine because already beat that level before, but on 5nl zoom still unsure about how much more variance (vs normal tables) going to show me there,
the extra 10bi´s are because of that.

you will not be crushed on 10nl if you are a nit. chances are, you are more likely to get crushed if you play loose. that said, i run something like 22/20 on 25nl, so i should not be talking much though i keep thinking i should nit up a bit.

see, even a SNE who' played millions of hands would not dare loosen up too much, why do you want to? :hmmmm:

I don´t want to loosen up too much, just more like a tag numbers more than nit numbers. I was beating 5nl regular tables with 14/11, i´m BE on zoom playing 10/8.
22/20 is on FR? looks ok for 6max.

----------------------

Anyone know avg numbers for CC% and SQZ%?

 

[Logan2]

Solid day, drop 2 bi´s at the start but still manage to end 5bi´s up




Coincidence or not, but today i open my range and get back to my normal numbers, from 10/8/2 to this.

 

[acky100]

14/12 nice numbers, steal them blinds like its your job and you shouldnt find yourself at 10/8 pretty much ever, if you do its because youre fast folding when you should wait!