Would you look? A cash game dilemma...

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Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.

So what would you do in this situation?

The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?

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I would not ever check on his cards. Its a part of my fair play sense and I would feel like a cheater. That wouldnt be good for my mental state and gameplay. I would just tell the villain that hes rekles with looking at his cards, and ask him once more to protect his hand better.
 
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I don't play live anymore This brings back a memory of when I first started playing. You can call it cheating if you like but who is to blame?
 
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I will look.
After the flop I will say out loud what cards he has, then I will tell my cards 77 when one of the cards on the table is 7. Then I raise.
After he has folded I show my cards, 35 perfect bluff. :cool:
 
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I couldnt help it I would have to look and I dont believe in cheating. iwould keep telling him
 
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I will look.
After the flop I will say out loud what cards he has, then I will tell my cards 77 when one of the cards on the table is 7. Then I raise.
After he has folded I show my cards, 35 perfect bluff. :cool:
Classy
 
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Considering that I already warned him, and he just laugh, I'll tell something to the dealer or someone on the staff, just to make sure that I won't be suspend or something like that.
If they warn him and nothing change, I'll use that information for sure. I think is not cheating if he's just showing his cards, I don't have control over that situation.
It's similar to when in an all in situation, someone shows one card on purpose
 
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All this talk of cheating , morals and ethics etc. makes me laugh. We're all sat there with the express purpose of taking each others' money. Where is the morality in that?? And thse talking about having an unfair advantage over the rest of the table....if you pick up on a tell will you broadcast it to everyone tou be fair to the rest of the table?? BS. Poker is a game of LIES and DECEIT....get over it or quit the game.
 
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I think in this situation we cannot be guilty of cheating because a player exposed his cards to us.. it could be that someone else at the table was also looking at his cards and didn't say anything.. unlike us who still warned him of this oversight. After this fact is repeated, it would be fair to warn everyone that this is happening, because if this same attitude happens between friends or acquaintances, it can become a big cheat for everyone! In case no one acts on this in the next few rounds, i would continue to look, because is important to look at players when they are dealt their cards or when they are in the action.. knowing an opponent's cards is no guarantee of winning hands but it can be a great advantage in many situations, but it can also be a crazy strategy to show a card, to notice how we are going to play or get some other information with that fact..!🤔💸
 
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I don’t think it’s a form of cheating but I’m unsure if I would keep looking. Especially if everyone else on the table knew about me looking too. At the end of the day while I want to make money I also like making friends at the table and I would try not to look and keep a friendly face at the table. If I happen to see his KK because he wants me to see them and I have nothing then I will play with the info I had but I wouldn’t go out of my way to find out!
 
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First of all, I would try not to look at his cards.

Second, I'd decide to tell him to cover his cards in a better way if he's being a nice/decent person at the table or just neutral. If he's being rude at the table, I wouldn't tell him to cover them. So, I wouldn't look, but wouldn't say anything either.
 
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I think it would not be cheating, because first you are telling him to protect his hand, nobody in life tells you when your intentions are other, that's why if he doesn't listen to you it's not your problem, you could get a lot of information from that person because of his laziness at the table.
 
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Parte do sucesso no pôquer (assim como na vida em geral) é pensar sobre várias situações com antecedência e decidir como você reagiria. Quando chegar a hora, quer você mude de ideia ou não, você pelo menos tinha um plano de ação em mente de antemão.

Então, o que você faria nessa situação?

O jogador jovem e agressivo próximo a você não está fazendo um bom trabalho em proteger sua mão. A maneira como ele olha para suas cartas torna muito fácil para você ver o que ele tem. Você silenciosamente o avisa para ter cuidado, mas ele apenas ri e diz para você se preocupar com seu próprio jogo. Você continuaria olhando as cartas dele quando tivesse uma chance? E você acha que isso é uma forma de trapaça se você olhar ? Por que ou por que não?

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Well, I wouldn't. The same thing. I wouldn't want to. That they made me
Because everything revolves according to your choices, don't create an endless circle if you can't even start it
 
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I won't make any special moves to look in his cards, If I'm sitting there, at the table then I came to play poker, not to cheat.

BUT

If that player wants to show me his cards, and if I can clearly see them from my seat without making any special moves... then why not?
I won't be closing my eyes... He received the warning, he knows what poker is about. If I know his cards just because he's showing them to me then I'll consider it as some sort of handicap.

ALSO

If we're at the casino or poker club and they have strict rules for such situations then I'll inform the dealer and rest of the table, cause such handicap may cause me problems.
 
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hello,he keeps showing his cards after you told him to be careful,he is young and needs a lesson. I would teach him what happens if he keeps showing his cards and the lesson is not going to be free of charge and hopefully he will learn to listen to friendly advice.
 
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Cheating is when you do things beyond what is legal, if he himself is ok with it then its not cheating
 
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I'd let them know that I can see the cards but if they don't do anything about it, that's their own fault.

Pretty valuable information to just give away to your opponents that are playing a game for money :)
 
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All this talk of cheating , morals and ethics etc. makes me laugh. We're all sat there with the express purpose of taking each others' money. Where is the morality in that?? And thse talking about having an unfair advantage over the rest of the table....if you pick up on a tell will you broadcast it to everyone tou be fair to the rest of the table?? BS. Poker is a game of LIES and DECEIT....get over it or quit the game.
I'm sorry man, but I totally disagree with you. We don't play to steal each other's money, but to earn it. It is a mind game. Out play me and take whatever money I had voluntarily put in the middle.
As to picking up tells, it's a skill and a part of the game, it would be kind of stupid and even against the rules to "broadcast" them during the game (That excludes the fact of making someone aware of his tells off the table of course).
 
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If you have already let the player know you can see their cards then you have done the right thing. I wouldn't try to see their cards, but I wouldn't feel too bad about it if I happened to see after I'd given them a warning. After all, what's the alternative? It shouldn't be your responsibility to leave the table just because someone is giving you an unfair advantage
 
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After a player who was not hiding his hand was warned and ignored the warning, I would not intentionally look in his direction, but I would warn the dealer or floor manager so as not to be suspected of cheating. That is my area of responsibility in this situation.
 
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It is basically saying that if a player keeps accidentally showing you his cards at a live table - even after you have told him to be careful - would you look at his cards on purpose if he kept showing them? And do you consider that cheating?
Of course, I will be happy to look at the opponent’s cards and analyze them with my own cards. Whether I did it right or not ...This is treason, I don't think...And to be honest, if the enemy himself shows the cards, my eyes themselves will look with pleasure....And of course I will warn him not to show me the cards again
 
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First of all, I would not give any warning, at the poker table we are all adults and we are responsible for our mistakes. I wouldn't have looked at his cards without interruption and wait for a hand in which it could bring me real benefit. I would also take into account the fact that I'm not the only one who sees his hand. I met with players who often for several hands, especially at the beginning with low blinds show gently what they have to show a lack of professionalism and light thinking about the game. So I would watch him for a long time.
 
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I don't know how you can prevent your eyes from looking at the cards if the opponent shows
Of course, I will warn my opponent to be careful not to show the card.I don't think this is a scam
 
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I will definitely not look at his cards no matter what situation on the table I would rather warn him to protect his cards. Firstly is not ethical behaviour and it's kind of cheating because in this case you gaining an advantage over other players.

Poker is a game where you make decisions only based on your on cards and of course cards on the board but not knowing your opponent cards. That's why it's cheating and not fair play.
 
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It depends on the situation for me, if it's a local home game where everyone knows each other and people are relaxed and understand the risks, I would have no problems looking at the player and his behaviour with the cards.

If it's inside a casino where you mostly play against strangers, I would be very careful and try not to upset anyone around the table. :)
 
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