Is there a secret science behind multi tabling successfully?

[S3mper]

50% of the times I flip a coin, I am 100% right

You would have to call the coin the correct way for a true 50/50 since a coin flip is actually 51/49



lol.

 

[Sil3ntness]

Multi tabling is a lot easier if you're playing full rings/tournaments. It's a lot harder to get squeezed/exploited preflop at full ring IMO.

 

[vinylspiros]

multitabling is so 90's. 4 tabling zoom is the new multitabling trend. (same volume+ more focus and easier to follow)

 

[vinylspiros]

who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone

LMFAO

 

[TimovieMan]

who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone

Not one second after Jesus said that, a stone went whizzing by his head, hitting the adulterous woman. Jesus looked at the crowd to see who had thrown it, and quickly yelled "Damnit, mom!"

 

[freestocks]

You would have to call the coin the correct way for a true 50/50 since a coin flip is actually 51/49



lol.

But I have intuition, like really good intuition. I close my eyes and...

 

[Aaron Soto]

In poker you either have a strong intuition or weak intuition. Meaning you have a good ability to reason and to find truth

 

[freestocks]

Yea! I have that...lots of it...

 

[quick]

Play less tables until you get better at 1.) the basic math (# outs, pot odds), 2.) the fast and often stronger play online, 3.) folding.

I see you play Bovada, consider starting at 5NL zone until you get a feel for it. And get the volume of 3-5 tables in one table which makes it easier to focus. I earned about 25 BIs starting with one table of 5NL zone and slowly adding a second to earn that amount in about 5 weeks or so.

 

[heraldyswift]

Thoughts on how to multi table successfully?

Have a good HUD setup(with Leak Buster if you'r playing cash games)
Make a to do list on situations you may meet in the table.
Play poker.

well, thats what i do playing multi-table cash games .. i dont know about the others here tho

 

[Aaron Soto]

Have a good HUD setup(with Leak Buster if you'r playing cash games)
Make a to do list on situations you may meet in the table.
Play poker.

well, thats what i do playing multi-table cash games .. i dont know about the others here tho

That's actually a good suggestion. Having a to do list in tough situations or spots should be a requirement if your planning to multi table.

One thing I noticed, is in my case. When I am in a tough spot, such as flopping Top Pair / Top kicker, or having two-pair even though it is a heavy drawing board. I noticed that when multi tabling it is so much harder to be disciplined. I flop something good and see it, and well I'm thinking I didn't get to catch what the other players did before me or see the action before me. All I see is how much is in the pot, stack sizes and board texture. I make a fast decision so having a to do list I could imagine would put you a player more into a systematic way of playing which I think is golden in Multi tabling. good idea.

Wish I had a Hud unfortunately I don't. I plan to play live now anyway. No more of this online stuff for me. For a long time tbh. (a long time to me is probably like 1-2 weeks once the urge sets in.....)

 

[Aaron Soto]

Play less tables until you get better at 1.) the basic math (# outs, pot odds), 2.) the fast and often stronger play online, 3.) folding.

I see you play Bovada, consider starting at 5NL zone until you get a feel for it. And get the volume of 3-5 tables in one table which makes it easier to focus. I earned about 25 BIs starting with one table of 5NL zone and slowly adding a second to earn that amount in about 5 weeks or so.

There is no possibly way on this earth that I am going to play a normal game of 5NL LOL. That is just funny. I would probably die of boredom. So basically, it took you 5 weeks to make, what? 25 BIs? That's like a total of what? 125.00$?

 

[ConDeck]

There is no possibly way on this earth that I am going to play a normal game of 5NL LOL. That is just funny. I would probably die of boredom. So basically, it took you 5 weeks to make, what? 25 BIs? That's like a total of what? 125.00$?

Better than losing however much you have so far online. Do not scoff at others playing lower stakes or those making actually very good suggestions to try and help you. It puts people off wanting to take you serious or advise you further.

He is right, the online equivalent of 200NL is 5NL. Improve your game, learn and develop as a player, with a transferable skillset improving your win rate at your current live stake level PLUS show a profit online VS continue losing money at a game you are not prepared for (current online), and a lot more of it. No brainer to me....

 

[Aaron Soto]

Better than losing however much you have so far online. Do not scoff at others playing lower stakes or those making actually very good suggestions to try and help you. It puts people off wanting to take you serious or advise you further.


Oh god, another guy comparing 5NL online too 200NL live........HA HA HA......bro,

5NL is way different then 200NL live. Guess what 5$ BI aren't the same as a 200$ BI. The play is going to be much different. If this was true, then please tell me, why in the hell isn't every guy in the world who can beat 5NL sitting at a 200NL table right now making 30$ an hour? What would be the point in even playing 5NL at this point "if they played the same and are compared the same way " ........

Yeah again, I wouldn't play 5NL I already invested so much time and have proven that I can beat 5NL ......or 10NL.....or even 25NL. I think right now if I look deep my skill set online is at about 25NL and 50NL.

I have played easily over 1,000,000 hands of 5NL online. I can guarantee you one thing, 5NL online, and 200NL live are TWO-COMPLETELY-DIFFERENT GAMES. There is absolutely no comparison. Not at all. If you are talking about the skill of the players, then still, the game is just way different. You cannot make one mistake live. Make a mistake and you can kiss your stack good bye it is that simple in live play. 5NL you can make a good 5-10 wrong plays and have your entire BI still. There different you can't compare the 2 trust me.

 

[fletchdad]

It puts people off wanting to take you serious or advise you further.

Important to realize here......

 

[TimovieMan]

Oh god, another guy comparing 5NL online too 200NL live........HA HA HA......bro,

Actually, I'd compare it to 2NL in terms of player skill and bb/100 achievable if you know what you're doing.

But they play very differently and require adjustment in your play. No argument there. They're not the same game.
It's just that, if you're going to compare the general play level, 200NL live DOES compare to 2NL. If you're going to compare HOW you need to play, then there is no comparison.

If this was true, then please tell me, why in the hell isn't every guy in the world who can beat 5NL sitting at a 200NL table right now making 30$ an hour? What would be the point in even playing 5NL at this point "if they played the same and are compared the same way " ........

Accessibility and ADD, most likely.
A lot of players don't have any 200NL tables within 100 miles of where they are, so live is often out of the question. Especially in Europe.
A lot more players would die of boredom at a live table. Why play 40 hands per hour when you can play 600+? Or 2000+?

 

[ph_il]

Oh god, another guy comparing 5NL online too 200NL live........HA HA HA......bro,

5NL is way different then 200NL live. Guess what 5$ BI aren't the same as a 200$ BI. The play is going to be much different. If this was true, then please tell me, why in the hell isn't every guy in the world who can beat 5NL sitting at a 200NL table right now making 30$ an hour? What would be the point in even playing 5NL at this point "if they played the same and are compared the same way "
...I don't play cash, so this is off what other members who do play cash is telling. The quality of game play is comparable between the 2. You'll see the same mistakes and quality of players at 200nl as you would at 5nl. So, if you're a good player that can beat 5nl, then you should have no problem beating 200nl live. A perfect example of this is when you tried playing 200nl online and got completely crushed? Why is that? Because the quality of players online is much greater than live. Just because it's the same buy-in game doesn't mean it's equal in game play and skill.

A simple reason why 5nl players might not be playing 200nl live is because the bankroll needed for both is different. An 5nl player might have a $200 BR or 50 buy-ins. That's 1 full buy-in at 200nl live.

Given that a lot of online players multi-table and you play a lot more hands online, I wouldn't be surprised if 5nl regulars are making close to $30 an hour as you could be playing 200nl. If we consider rakeback and promotions, the amount per hour could be even greater. All this in the comfort of your own home, don't have to tip anyone, worry about gas, tolls, etc-all things that eat into your profits.
Yeah again, I wouldn't play 5NL I already invested so much time and have proven that I can beat 5NL ......or 10NL.....or even 25NL. I think right now if I look deep my skill set online is at about 25NL and 50NL.
...I highly doubt your skill level is good enough to play 25nl-50nl online, but hey...give it a shot.
I have played easily over 1,000,000 hands of 5NL online. I can guarantee you one thing, 5NL online, and 200NL live are TWO-COMPLETELY-DIFFERENT GAMES. There is absolutely no comparison. Not at all. If you are talking about the skill of the players, then still, the game is just way different. You cannot make one mistake live. Make a mistake and you can kiss your stack good bye it is that simple in live play. 5NL you can make a good 5-10 wrong plays and have your entire BI still. There different you can't compare the 2 trust me.
...Stop thinking of money value and instead view your BR as number of buy-ins. Yes, at 200nl live, you can make one mistake and lose your whole stack, but if you are using proper BRM and have plenty of buy-ins, then losing 1 buy-in isn't an issue. The same goes for 5nl online. If you make a mistake and lose your stack, you're down 1 buy-in.

So, lets say for 200nl live, you want a BR of 50 buy-ins because you want to make this a profession and you want that nice big BR to cushion any type of downswing. So, at 50 buy-in, your BR is at $10K. So, losing a single buy-in isn't going to make a huge dent in your BR nor should it really be an issue. The only time it would be an issue would be if your BR was very small and losing $200 would be a significant amount. Like if your BR was only $1K, then losing $200 is 20% of your stack, where it's only 2% if you had $10K.

The same goes for 5nl. Lets say we have 50 buy-ins for 5nl, or a BR of $250. Losing a buy-in isn't really significant because with our BR, it's only a 2% loss. Where as, if we had only $25, it's a 20% loss.

above.

 

[toots babos]

There's no secret science for multi-tabling, you can either do it or you can't. You brain certainly needs to be able to process information quickly to be able to efficiently do it or else you'll just fry your brain, crash and burn.

I started off 4 tabling, when I was comfortable I added in another table..... and so on...... and so on....... anything more than 20 now is too much but up to 20 is ok

 

[ConDeck]

Better than losing however much you have so far online. Do not scoff at others playing lower stakes or those making actually very good suggestions to try and help you. It puts people off wanting to take you serious or advise you further.


Oh god, another guy comparing 5NL online too 200NL live........HA HA HA......bro,

5NL is way different then 200NL live. Guess what 5$ BI aren't the same as a 200$ BI. The play is going to be much different.

No the Buy Ins arent the same, but the monetary value is less important than the % of your bankroll it represents.

If this was true, then please tell me, why in the hell isn't every guy in the world who can beat 5NL sitting at a 200NL table right now making 30$ an hour?

Bankroll! The two require different bankrolls! Also accessibility and availability!

What would be the point in even playing 5NL at this point "if they played the same and are compared the same way " ........

The play will be different, as I do agree that live poker is a different game, but in terms of skill and understanding of the game required to beat the level, sorry it is not.

Yeah again, I wouldn't play 5NL I already invested so much time and have proven that I can beat 5NL ......or 10NL.....or even 25NL. I think right now if I look deep my skill set online is at about 25NL and 50NL.

Awesome!! Youll have atleast a 50K sample (minimum) at this level to prove this, please do share evidence of this!!

I have played easily over 1,000,000 hands of 5NL online.

I call bullshit!

I can guarantee you one thing, 5NL online, and 200NL live are TWO-COMPLETELY-DIFFERENT GAMES. There is absolutely no comparison. Not at all. If you are talking about the skill of the players, then still, the game is just way different.

Agreed in terms of approach to the game. There are different applicable concepts (ie. limping ranges, deep stack play etc) but the skill level is comparable!

You cannot make one mistake live. Make a mistake and you can kiss your stack good bye it is that simple in live play. 5NL you can make a good 5-10 wrong plays and have your entire BI still. There different you can't compare the 2 trust me.

I am really looking forward to hearing about your sweat session with marginal! Hopefully eye opening for you and you will start to listen to people with wayyyy more experience than you, a better understanding of the game and that are taking there time to try and help you!

For now though, I give up!

 

[MidMoMan]

The problem I have with multiple table play is the delay. It's easy to see which players are playing several tables because they are always slowest to act. That is really annoying when other players are playing fast then every hand there's a delay to the max. So I suggest don't play multiple unless you can keep up.

 

[MinhANguyen]

Lol at this guy. Thinks he can crush online 25NL+, and says he has 1 million hands at 5NL. Absolute bullshit. I bet he can't even beat 10NL/25NL online over a 100k hand sample. I'm even certajn he's logged far fewer than 100,000 hands even live and online combined. Lol he's on a 13BI upswing at 1/2 after living in the casino day and night for a full month, and thinks he's god. 1/2 is the weakest shit in the world, and any decent poker player could absolutely crush the games. People are giving you good advice, but all you do is shoot back insults and be extremely stubborn. Offensive, rude, and arrogant people who are way over their heads like you disgust me.

You guys should just stop trying. Obviously someone with such a big ego isn't going to listen to anyone but himself, his "80%+" correct instincts, and "skills."

I seriously don't know what Marginal is thinking tbh. Maybe he doesn't like money (I'm just joking, not offending you, Marginal).

 

[Aaron Soto]

Lol at this guy. Thinks he can crush online 25NL+, and says he has 1 million hands at 5NL. Absolute bullshit. I bet he can't even beat 10NL/25NL online over a 100k hand sample. I'm even certajn he's logged far fewer than 100,000 hands even live and online combined. Lol he's on a 13BI upswing at 1/2 after living in the casino day and night for a full month, and thinks he's god. 1/2 is the weakest shit in the world, and any decent poker player could absolutely crush the games. People are giving you good advice, but all you do is shoot back insults and be extremely stubborn. Offensive, rude, and arrogant people who are way over their heads like you disgust me.

You guys should just stop trying. Obviously someone with such a big ego isn't going to listen to anyone but himself, his "80%+" correct instincts, and "skills."

I seriously don't know what Marginal is thinking tbh. Maybe he doesn't like money (I'm just joking, not offending you, Marginal).

You give wayyyyyyyyy too much credit to a player who plays 25 NL online. The bottom line is it is 25$. There is no real professional poker player or guy who is making a living playing 25 NL online if there is, it is rare. You might find someone who is MT 25 NL and that is practically the only way your going to be seeing a decent amount of profit. I really do not think you give me any credit for online play and that is TOTALLY FINE lol. Since you are such a big time professional at this online poker do you have a graph? Are you a consistent winner? Do you have the graph to back that up are you currently profiting? In the end it comes down to profit plain and simple.

Stop giving so much credit to someone who plays 25 NL online for christ sake it is almost laughable. The fact that you hold a player who plays 25 NL online in such high regard is just plain hilarious.


Put it this way. I have probably dropped around 5k into online Poker over the last 3 years. And yes unfortunately I did lose that money. I think in total I took out 1,000$ of that 5k. 4k hit.


Btw, you remind of some stubborn little kid.....am I right on this?

 

[TimovieMan]

You give wayyyyyyyyy too much credit man to a player who plays 25 NL online. The bottom line is it is 25$. There is no real professional poker player or guy who is making a living playing 25 NL online if there is, it is rare.

24-tabling 25NL for 2K hands/hour with a win rate of 2bb = 10$/hour + bonus/rakeback.
You'd be surprised how many people are grinding those stakes (semi-)professionally.

Stop giving so much credit to someone who plays 25 NL online for christ sake it is almost laughable. The fact that you hold a player who plays 25 NL online in such high regard is just plain hilarious.

This statement would've been true in 2009.
Poker's come a long way since then, though. I'm pretty sure a solid 25NL reg would crush your overconfident soul.

Btw, you remind of some stubborn little kid.....am I right on this?

Takes one to know one?

 

[MinhANguyen]

You give wayyyyyyyyy too much credit to a player who plays 25 NL online. The bottom line is it is 25$. There is no real professional poker player or guy who is making a living playing 25 NL online if there is, it is rare. You might find someone who is MT 25 NL and that is practically the only way your going to be seeing a decent amount of profit. I really do not think you give me any credit for online play and that is TOTALLY FINE lol. Since you are such a big time professional at this online poker do you have a graph? Are you a consistent winner? Do you have the graph to back that up are you currently profiting? In the end it comes down to profit plain and simple.

Stop giving so much credit to someone who plays 25 NL online for christ sake it is almost laughable. The fact that you hold a player who plays 25 NL online in such high regard is just plain hilarious.


Put it this way. I have probably dropped around 5k into online Poker over the last 3 years. And yes unfortunately I did lose that money. I think in total I took out 1,000$ of that 5k. 4k hit.


Btw, you remind of some stubborn little kid.....am I right on this?

Lol since when did I give a ton of credit to 25NL online players? I never said they were amazing. They have a ton of leaks and are not strong players. They definitely are stronger than the 1/2 live donks you play. The regulars who can crush 25NL are decently strong players. Strong enough to crush any 1/2 live donkey table and 2/5 live table. They don't exist in great numbers though.

Look at it this way. Why can you beat 1/2 live but get your soul owned online? At measly "oh wow $25 or $10" and especially $100 buy-ins? And if you seriously think that online poker is rigged and that it's the website's fault that you're losing and NOT your own, you are being delusional. You're right. I don't give you credit for online play. Or any solid poker fundamentals for that matter, which do matter beyond 1/2 live. You cannot beat 2/5 without solid fundamentals. I do, however, give you credit for being able to beat 1/2 though. 2/5 maybe barely above breakeven at best, breakeven or losing player I wouldn't be surprised. 5/10, 10/20 live no way. Any strong online 50NL regular could beat 2/5, 5/10, and possibly 10/20. That's the difference in skill level between online and live. Notice I'm saying strong 50NL regulars, NOT 50NL players. There are tons of losing 50NL losing players online.

You seem to be so results oriented. Just because it is a $50 buy-in online doesn't mean anything. You want to know why live players are so much easier to beat? Why 1/2 is the same level as 2NL online? You have drunks, dumb tourists, gambling degens who gamble away their earnings/salary and houses, rich businessmen who don't care about losing and want to enjoy the social part of poker. People who get out of work from their 9-5 and want to have fun and gamble at night or on the weekend. Online poker is not social. Online poker is not fun. You're in front of a screen all by yourself with no social interaction. It's where the sharks live and/or where people play and want to get better. And that's why you get crushed online.

I never said I was a professional, and I never intend to be one. Semi-professional as a secondary job? Going to think about it after I graduate. I don't need to prove myself to you. But I have moved up from 5NL to 10NL, to 25NL, to 50NL, and eventually 100NL in less than half a year. I bet you're going to respond with something insulting like, "Oh wow. Only $5 buy-ins to $100 buy-ins? Lol." Think of it this way. That's 4 stake level jumps in terms of skill and learning. That's like you going from 1/2 to 2/5 to 5/10 to 10/20 live (you still wouldn't be able to beat 100NL online just from this btw). I could crush any 5/10 live game and probably most 10/20 live games. The only reason I'm not is because I'm not rolled for it. Not everyone has thousands of dollars in their bankrolls to start at multiple hundred dollar buy-in games like you, and that's why there's online play for that.

I'm open to new ideas and any advice people give me. And I'm not the one who is constantly rejecting other peoples' advice, refusing to accept the truth about online vs live play in terms of skills, constantly putting down other players, etc. So I don't see how you get this perception that I'm stubborn from that one post I made. The only part you got right was me being a kid.

 

[Poker Orifice]

When I play on one single table I can play at my own pace and am not in a rush.. The moment I seem to add a table I'm all-in all a sudden and watching my stack go down. What is the secret to being a good multi table player if there is any.

Set your options to auto-rebuy to max. 100bb's obviously. Duh