taarons cash game thread

[KerouacsDog]

I have about 40k at one site, and another 5k or so at a new site Ive started grinding on. I make notes on players and tag them, and they keep on appearing. If the notes are favourable I sit with them, and I'd say a good 50% of them rebuy when they bust. And there are regs at this level, and good regs at that. These are the guys I red-tag, as a warning to me. And the next time I load up the site, and find these red-tagged guys, there they are, sat with their huge stacks, some 400-500 blinds deep. So there are grinders at 2nl, and they are many.

 

[Pascal-lf]

they may be good regs for 2NL standard but it doesn't mean they are good players

 

[KerouacsDog]

why not?

 

[TylerN]

because if they were really good they would not be at 2nl

 

[Pascal-lf]

why not?

because if they were really good they would not be at 2nl

this

 

[taaron]

Ok differing opinions. . .but it gives me perspective. . . .

If i say i have a solid read, then i do; i'm not a egomaniac and have no stake to say i have a read, if i don't. . .right now i am very confused what to think, as i am a thinker, it is a lot to muddle thru

the regs who play where i am r very rarely of profit, and i see them playing everyday. . .the traffic is so low (1200 ppl +/- on avg. site wide) and so i see these ppl all the time;

i ALWAYS scout a table for at least 15 mins. before climbing aboard; if there is 1 thing that i can say about myself, it is that i am able to read my villains reasonably well;

my goal from the beginning here is to improve my online cash game; and as of right now my BR says clearly that I have a ways to go; but for only 1 reason: i will not deposit; my BR which is still in the low $50 area, as it took another hit last night, i started w/ $0 about 4 weeks ago,

best thing to do is to continue working thru it here and learning and getting solid feedback and advice, and putting it into practice. . .

whats bites is that at the tables i tilt very little, the stuff makes me laugh, but at this level its not tragic. . .however in the forum when criticsms are overly harsh that will get me tilting. . .i'm new to the forum venue, maybe that is why. . .o well, moving right along, i ended my sesh last night having lost 4 BI's ($8), playing 2 -6max tabes. . .worst downswing; relatively, on my graph. . . .i'll post up some of the losing hands in abit. . .sick stuff really like MP had 52o. . .etc. . .

onward and upward. . .

 

[brank]

Heres the thing about 2nl. Its like a D level sports team. No one is really good but there are a few players who seem good because everyone else sucks so bad. They score a lot of goals and make decent plays but if they were to play in a A level leauge then they would really suck.

If you are new to the forums venue then I think you just got to chill a bit. People arent attacking you. In fact if they werent trying to help you they probs wouldnt post at all. Sometimes its hard to tell the tone of someones post but for the most part people here at CC are pretty nice.

 

[taaron]

Heres the thing about 2nl. Its like a D level sports team. No one is really good but there are a few players who seem good because everyone else sucks so bad. They score a lot of goals and make decent plays but if they were to play in a A level leauge then they would really suck.

If you are new to the forums venue then I think you just got to chill a bit. People arent attacking you. In fact if they werent trying to help you they probs wouldnt post at all. Sometimes its hard to tell the tone of someones post but for the most part people here at CC are pretty nice.

Thanks for that; ya i do know there is a major difference in the ppl here vs. some of the other forums. . .

i just hope that the advice keeps coming because it has helped sso much, and , i see much better what you are saying in terms of like a "d" level vs. "a" level. . . .good perspective . .

 

[taaron]

i think i may have found a way to post a replay. . .but its a link. . .so idk

https://www.mintedpoker.eu/en.gameh...19bcae2b8c8f28d7133f7018b5a&nick=taaron1&note=

https://www.mintedpoker.eu/en.gameh...35d3294e66d6bf34e61dab68e4&nick=taaron1&note=

 

[KerouacsDog]

because if they were really good they would not be at 2nl

theres a difference between 'every player at 2nl is a braindead fish' and really good. really good isnt what was originally said.

 

[Pascal-lf]

they aren't good though, so they are fish

 

[KerouacsDog]

ah, you know what, I really dont wanna hijack taarons thread anymore, guess we're gonna disagree on this issue. but to say every 2nl player is a braindead fish is a horrible generalisation.

 

[Pascal-lf]

ok, anyone who stays at 2NL for more than the shortest possible amount of time is a braindead fish (with like 4 or 5 exceptions and they are just crazy) - happier?

 

[taaron]

general hand ranges to open w/ pre-flop for 6max by position; agree or disagree:
BTN/CO: A2s-A5s: A9o/s-AKo/s: 45o/s+connectors/gaps; PP's 55+
SB/BB: QQ+: AQo/s+: QJs-KQs

any thoughts about these starting hands from these 4 (6max)?

 

[Pascal-lf]

if it's folded round to me in the SB and the bb is a nit I'm raising a ton and just c-betting flops small until he adjusts

on the other hand if it folds round to me on the btn and both blinds are super active then i'm nitting up a bit/throwing in light 4bets with a depolarized range

 

[KerouacsDog]

ok, anyone who stays at 2NL for more than the shortest possible amount of time is a braindead fish (with like 4 or 5 exceptions and they are just crazy) - happier?

a lot happier

 

[TylerN]

u shouldnt have the same range for CO and BTN. there different. the CO u have a person IP on u and BTN u dont. that makes a big difference so BTN's opening range should be wider than CO's

 

[imwatcher]

These are redic nitty... open way wider from button if regs/nits are in blinds... in BB if sb limps to you, raise almost 100%... no idea how you could have been playing 24/16 on fr if these would be your 6m opening ranges :S

Edit: this probably sounds a bit harsh to you but its not meant to be, basically just open really widely on button if blinds are nits (And regs at 2nl as they wont adjust) and wide on CO if button is tight Double edit, also Loose passive players in blinds are pretty good players to target with random Ks and Qs but not so much suited connectors

 

[taaron]

if it's folded round to me in the SB and the bb is a nit I'm raising a ton and just c-betting flops small until he adjusts

on the other hand if it folds round to me on the btn and both blinds are super active then i'm nitting up a bit/throwing in light 4bets with a depolarized range

Okay cool, that is kinda what i've been going w/; but i am really swinging up and down, rollercoaster style on the 6max tables; no troubles AT ALL on FR, but i am defintely leaking gives me ophere. . .i thin k it probably best to tr-read some stuff again; i'll post the links in this thread, as well,

considering polarization is this at 2nl level specific to be A.) keeping noobs guessing/ disguises smaller suited connectors at the close to the top of my normal fold range (i.e. A6o-A8o and the like especially if going into SD, will have value. /or is it more B.) To inspire a fold before ever turning the river?
Or both. . .maybe too much thought for this bottom level. . .lol. . .

ABC. . .anyway, gonna get on some more study here. . .

 

[taaron]

These are redic nitty... open way wider from button if regs/nits are in blinds... in BB if sb limps to you, raise almost 100%... no idea how you could have been playing 24/16 on fr if these would be your 6m opening ranges :S

Edit: this probably sounds a bit harsh to you but its not meant to be, basically just open really widely on button if blinds are nits (And regs at 2nl as they wont adjust) and wide on CO if button is tight Double edit, also Loose passive players in blinds are pretty good players to target with random Ks and Qs but not so much suited connectors

ok good, so essentially widen up range-for 6max correct- more so o
n the wheel/ than CO. . .

 

[Pascal-lf]

6max will put you in more marginal spots than FR because everyone has wider ranges and will have to bluff more/value bet thinner post flop to make profit, so it's a good way to hone your skills as a poker player. if anyone asks me how they should learn poker i say 6max cash, it's probably the hard way but it teaches you well and you can transfer it really easily if you want to play FR cash/tournaments in the future unlike HU

it's hard to say why you should be 3betting without putting it in context. vs aggressive people it's a great resteal tool because they have wide ranges, especially if you have a tight image. even if you don't have a tight image, if you can work out how they adjust (do they just start 4betting trash or do they 4bet the bottom of their folding range) then you can readjust faster than them and make lots of profits.

vs nits 3betting should only really be for value, obviously if it's a tag who is stealing in LP it's different but there are plenty of people even at 6max who will play way too tight and you can just abuse them by stealing from them and then when they play back getting out the way

 

[taaron]

6max will put you in more marginal spots than FR because everyone has wider ranges and will have to bluff more/value bet thinner post flop to make profit, so it's a good way to hone your skills as a poker player. if anyone asks me how they should learn poker i say 6max cash, it's probably the hard way but it teaches you well and you can transfer it really easily if you want to play FR cash/tournaments in the future unlike HU

it's hard to say why you should be 3betting without putting it in context. vs aggressive people it's a great resteal tool because they have wide ranges, especially if you have a tight image. even if you don't have a tight image, if you can work out how they adjust (do they just start 4betting trash or do they 4bet the bottom of their folding range) then you can readjust faster than them and make lots of profits.

what r my ideal stats for 2nl 6m?

what would be considered ideal stats for 2nl 6m?

vs nits 3betting should only really be for value, obviously if it's a tag who is stealing in LP it's different but there are plenty of people even at 6max who will play way too tight and you can just abuse them by stealing from them and then when they play back getting out the way

ok, that was awesome. . .that clears up so much of what i've been questioning/ trying to understand. . .I think thats why i've been swinging. . that and i'm giving my opponents way too much credit on monster hands, when i should be 3beting for value- top folding range/ and thin 3beting for value on w/ the premium hands that deserve to see the flop-or even into SD. . .

 

[Pascal-lf]

if you can't 3bet for value, then flat. if someone is tight has a high fold to 3bet % (over a decent sample, this stuff takes a while to converge) and never flats 3bets but always 4bets or fold then 72o is basically the same as AJo (but AJo has some blockers to strong hands) because you are 3betting purely for fold equity and not for value.

on the other hand if someone opens wide and flats 3bets a lot, you can 3bet stuff like KQs, AJs, knowing if you flop a pair it's probably the best hand and even if you miss you can just bet and your hand looks very strong.

 

[taaron]

ok so w/ rake, my cash game stat is actually only down 3.73; on the month. . .lol. . .not exactly the right results. . .
i'm up on it again, hope 2 put in @ least 500 hands; doing 2 FR's becuz they r full. . .i will hopefully add 2 6m when /if they start filling up. . .

Here is a link to a hand replay; implementing a 3-bet to 4-bet; against a 2nl Reg. . . .let me know if it works please. . . . if not i'll post it reg style:

https://www.mintedpoker.eu/en.gameh...5405a5d5df60559806dcee316bc&nick=taaron1&note=

also was this good for CO? in terms of polarized range; should have prob folded it down on the first raise, but i am a bit on the nitty- LAP side and this is my table image to the regs. a raise from the BB. . .felt like a steal; watching him play. . .but normally woulda folded here w/out a seconds worth of thought.. . .ur suggestions please?

 

[taaron]

very positive sesh. . .don't know how neccesarily +EV it was in the scope of the long run but here are the major hands so far:

Everleaf - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BB: $0.83
Hero (UTG): $3.45
UTG+1: $1.66
MP: $8.83
MP+1: $0.72
CO: $4.05
BTN: $2.04
SB: $1.67
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q:spade: A:diamond:
Hero raises to $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.14, fold, BB calls $0.12, Hero calls $0.08, UTG+1 calls $0.08
Flop: ($0.57, 4 players) 7:heart: 6:spade: A:spade:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, fold, BTN calls $0.16, fold
Turn: ($0.89, 2 players) 5:diamond:
Hero bets $0.89, BTN raises to $1.74, Hero calls $0.85
River: ($4.37, 2 players) 4:diamond:
Hero shows Q:spade: A:diamond: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 74%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
BTN shows J:heart: A:club: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 26%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
Hero wins $4.16


ok and then this 1:


Everleaf - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (UTG): $6.40
UTG+1: $1.08
MP: $2.09
CO: $9.11
BTN: $1.97
SB: $6.00
BB: $1.25
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has A:heart: A:club:
Hero raises to $0.06, fold, MP calls $0.06, CO calls $0.06, fold, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.30, 5 players) J:club: 4:diamond: K:heart:
SB checks, BB bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.42, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.38
Turn: ($1.14, 2 players) 2:spade:
BB bets $0.08, Hero raises to $5.92, BB calls $0.69
River: ($2.68, 2 players) 3:diamond:
Hero shows A:heart: A:club: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 86%, Flop 80%, Turn 89%)
BB shows K:diamond: Q:spade: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 14%, Flop 20%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins $2.55


and 1 more for now:


Everleaf - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
UTG: $1.78
Hero (BTN): $2.32
SB: $1.28
BB: $0.40
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 6:club: 6:spade:
fold, Hero raises to $0.06, SB calls $0.05, fold
Flop: ($0.14, 2 players) 7:diamond: Q:club: 6:heart:
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($0.14, 2 players) 5:club:
SB bets $0.14, Hero raises to $0.28, SB raises to $0.98, Hero raises to $2.26, SB calls $0.24
River: ($2.58, 2 players) 3:club:
Hero shows 6:club: 6:spade: (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 52%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
SB shows J:diamond: Q:heart: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 48%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $2.46


I am thus +16 on the sesh so far. . . (not including other hands). . . .