taarons cash game thread

[taaron]

This was just such a nice 1 and how not! to play AQ


Everleaf - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
LP: $1.55
CO: $0.95
BTN: $1.26
Hero (SB): $3.79
BB: $1.68
UTG: $0.76
UTG+1: $2.00
MP: $1.40
MP+1: $0.60
Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has K♣ Q♣
fold, fold, fold, fold, LP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, LP calls $0.10, fold
Flop: ($0.28, 2 players) 9♣ J♥ T♣
Hero bets $0.12, LP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.18
Turn: ($0.88, 2 players) 5♣
Hero bets $0.88, LP raises to $1.13, Hero calls $0.25
River: ($3.14, 2 players) J♦
LP shows Q♦ A♦ (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 71%, Flop 10%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows K♣ Q♣ (Flush, King High) (Pre 29%, Flop 90%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins $2.99

 

[Jurn8]

you need to work out bet sizing

bet more on flop and why are you potting that turn?

 

[taaron]

I wanted him to come along with me; why i appeared "weak" on the flop raise. . .
anytime this fella was past the flop he never folded. . .his street c/bet % was a dream; so i wanted to be weak- then appear overly "strong" to appear like i was trying to bluff-steal or drawing or on air. .. .

still do it differently?


Also, on 2 6max right now, loosen my range?. . .tips?

 

[Jurn8]

he isnt cbetting?

just bet for value and stop over thinking how you appear to others at 2nl , they are not thinking it, they are just looking at their own 2 cards

 

[taaron]

he isnt cbetting?

just bet for value and stop over thinking how you appear to others at 2nl , they are not thinking it, they are just looking at their own 2 cards

Noted: thanks. . . .
its just normal for me to think quickly into it. . .anyway

I have read quite abit and observed as well about over-thinking at 2nl.

 

[TylerN]

Noted: thanks. . . .

honestly, no u havent noted it. every time someone helps out by saying "bet more on flop" u say "ok thanks!" and next hand u do the exact same thing. 2nl is all about value and people dont care about bet sizing. adjust bet sizes to wat u think the oppenent will call with his calling range. try to squeeze out every penny

 

[taaron]

honestly, no u havent noted it. every time someone helps out by saying "bet more on flop" u say "ok thanks!" and next hand u do the exact same thing. 2nl is all about value and people dont care about bet sizing. adjust bet sizes to wat u think the oppenent will call with his calling range. try to squeeze out every penny

okay then mayb its something I'm not understanding here;

imho friend, this seems a bit hypercritical and harsh; I gave a solid reason why I played the hand like i did, so lets look at this closer:

not every1 on 2nl is a braindead fish; please appreciate what I am trying to learn and realize here, understand that i am not a noob?

my posts are a bit ADD; and that is my fault; but I would like to go further here to continue growing and learning;

I truly recognize and take into context-and thought what is being advised, by plyrs more experienced than i. . .

my bad, but i'd rather build another up, than tear them down. . .

Now, onto that hand. . . .oooo why bother. . .apparently i know nothing. . . .glad i could be your punching bag 2day. . . .

P.s. this is 1 hand from many; where i have applied and been thoughtful of ALL the advice that other CCr's have been kind enough to give. . .

 

[imwatcher]

yeah also bro I think you are just giving yourself these bs logic as why you play these hands, I mean with that 62/3 (or somethign liek that) hand you just said you had a strong read on him... I really doubt that as those people at 2nl rarely stay longer than 30 hands... so at 2nl just settle down and play with obvious logic, you need to play at level 2 not level 3 or 4

 

[imwatcher]

The thing is you seem to be giving the donks more credit for thinking well than the regs (who you shouldnt give much credit anyway)

 

[taaron]

The thing is you seem to be giving the donks more credit for thinking well than the regs (who you shouldnt give much credit anyway)

please don't get me wrong, i am truly thankful; for the advice; and i do not sluff it off. . .

at any rate harsh criticsim is good, but temper it a little, maybe i'm asking too much here, but i just want to be constantly-albeit patiently improving. . .
best regards to all

o almost forgot. . .new ipmroved stats are 24/19/AFQ-54

 

[Jurn8]

i think the lads are coming across abit harsh Taaron but its not meant to be, they are just trying to help you thats all man

 

[TylerN]

ya i didnt mean to be harsh at all. just saying make sure to take in wat other people are trying to tell you and implement it into your game. 24/19 is much better

 

[taaron]

i think the lads are coming across abit harsh Taaron but its not meant to be, they are just trying to help you thats all man

hey ty i really appreciate it.. . btw. . .my name is tom. . .good on ya

 

[Jurn8]

ya i didnt mean to be harsh at all. just saying make sure to take in wat other people are trying to tell you and implement it into your game. 24/19 is much better

your sister

 

[Jurn8]

hey ty i really appreciate it.. . btw. . .my name is tom. . .good on ya

sound, if you have skype let us know and get involved in the group

 

[imwatcher]

yeah man d/ling skype would def be worth it... and I dont think any of us are trying to be offensive

 

[taaron]

yeah man d/ling skype would def be worth it... and I dont think any of us are trying to be offensive

fellas. . . . .ty. . .ty. . .ty for clarifying. . .it means a lot and i really appreciate it . . .i'll get up on it after this session. . .
up again on this session. . .finally grabbed the bar and lifted my chin. . . .hehehehe. . .

 

[KerouacsDog]

yeah also bro I think you are just giving yourself these bs logic as why you play these hands, I mean with that 62/3 (or somethign liek that) hand you just said you had a strong read on him... I really doubt that as those people at 2nl rarely stay longer than 30 hands... so at 2nl just settle down and play with obvious logic, you need to play at level 2 not level 3 or 4

from my experience, across many sites at 2nl, people DO stay longer than 30 hands, much longer. sure, you get some hit-and-runners, but they are in the minority.

 

[Pascal-lf]

not every1 on 2nl is a braindead fish; please appreciate what I am trying to learn and realize here, understand that i am not a noob?

yes they are

 

[KerouacsDog]

yes they are

u serious?

 

[Pascal-lf]

100%

 

[KerouacsDog]

so there are no good thinking players at 2nl, right???? thats so wrong. I know its populated with fish, but there are a lot of regs with good poker brains who play just for the fun of it, and are not to worried about moving up levels.

 

[Pascal-lf]

the rake at 2NL is insane, it's completely pointless staying there. there might be a couple of players who are OK and grind tons of tables but it's just stupid, the only other good players don't stick around for long because as soon as they start thinking they crush and can move up quickly

 

[Jurn8]

they may think what they are doing but their thought process is incorrect so they make mistakes

 

[imwatcher]

from my experience, across many sites at 2nl, people DO stay longer than 30 hands, much longer. sure, you get some hit-and-runners, but they are in the minority.

Okay how long do you think the average fish stays at the table from when you sit down? How big is your sample size at 2nl? I have probably about 80k-100k hands there in my time and I hardly ever see fish rebuy once they bust, and hardly ever get more than 50 or so hands on one... obviously some stay for a while but even then how long are you staying to get the hands on them? say you stay for 100 hands, you will probably never see them again and when taaron sais he has these random reads on these fish I doubt he can get them well enough over this sample size, especially when he seems to think a 63/4 or w/e with low AF (I am assuming it is low AF as when I asked what the AF was he just said he had a read on the player) is going to be betting crap on flop AND turn...