Some questions for the micro players.

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Just some quick questions for anyone playing ring games below $25NL and below .25/.50 Limit.

Do you just play poker just for fun ?

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ?

Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ?

Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ?

Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ?

Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing youll win more money from the "better" players ?

Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ?

Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ?

No need to reply if you dont want to, just some things to ponder :)
 
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Just some quick questions for anyone playing ring games below $25NL and below .25/.50 Limit.

Do you just play poker just for fun ? mostly

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ? i don't worry to much about moving up in limits

Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level? what do you mean by level? skill or amunt?

Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ? no

Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ? no

Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing youll win more money from the "better" players ?

Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ? no i play some occasionally but i do not consider it" taking shots."

Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ? sure

No need to reply if you dont want to, just some things to ponder :)
i feel just because a plyer plays for lower stakes id does not mean they are any less of a poker player
 
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i feel just because a plyer plays for lower stakes id does not mean they are any less of a poker player

I didnt say that ;) And if its implied then I apologise.

Edit : Question 3, I mean by bringing your game to the next level as skill, but that by implication leads on to amount.
 
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i don't necesarilly agree that the amount of money you spend on a poker game reflects the amount of skill you have. some peopl eprefer not to invest too much into poker. especially if they play for fun rather then trying to pay bills with it
 
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i don't necesarilly agree that the amount of money you spend on a poker game reflects the amount of skill you have. some peopl eprefer not to invest too much into poker. especially if they play for fun rather then trying to pay bills with it

Agreed, hence the list of questions, with your point being the number 1. Just out of curioiusity PQ, if every single time you sat down at a NL ring table you managed to double up, when if ever would you move up ?
 
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Agreed, hence the list of questions, with your point being the number 1. Just out of curioiusity PQ, if every single time you sat down at a NL ring table you managed to double up, when if ever would you move up ?
i don't know really. i mean why mess with success? but i do see your point as well.
 
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Do you just play poker just for fun ?
I see playing poker as a part time thing but still take it serious

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ?
Yes I do. When I have had a lot of success at the lower levels I move up and if I suffer losses I move back down and re-build

Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ?
When I feel confident and have had a very long winning streak

Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ?
I keep myself fairly controled and if you can't fight off tilt then you shouldn't be playing. (If you do play, play against me ;))

Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ?
I have re-loaded 3 times and that was when I started playing. Luckily it was only small amounts and therefore didn't hurt too much. But if you find yourself re-loading too much you should quite

Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you think youll win more money from the "better" players ?
No. Playing at higher limits means more money but also means better opponents. Playing against a screaming fish at 0.05/0.10 is different from playing against Phil Ivey at 300/600.

Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ?
No. To be an effective player you need to know how to control yourself and to stick to your level of play. Step up if you think your good enough.

Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ?
Yes. If you want to become a good player you have to. Things like hand historys and keeping track of your wins and losses are big factors in improving your game. If you don't know why you are losing quite while you still have moneyin your pocket.
 
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Just some quick questions for anyone playing ring games below $25NL and below .25/.50 Limit.

Do you just play poker just for fun ? NO, I play to win money, such that it is at this level, and more importantly to develop my game.

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ? Yes (see below)

Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ? It's bankroll contingent for me, I refuse to overplay the money I have for poker. Unfortunately I had to spend most of the money I made last year on real life things like bills. This has prevented/slowed a move to higher levels.

Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ? "Calling"? What's that?

Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ? I have never redeposited. I put $50 bucks in about a year and a half ago, and have long since pulled that and a lot more out.

Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing youll win more money from the "better" players ? LOL at this classic.... I would prefer to be playing higher because even if my roi goes down I will be making more money.

Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ? Limits are bankroll contingent, see above. However, "taking shots" is a time honored poker custom. Done correctly it is most likely that you will not simply jump from one limit to another, but will migrate there percentages of your play over time.

Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ? YES. Study is an integral part of mastering the game. In the opening to Poker Essays I Mason Malmuth says "...the most important thing that a serious poker player should do... is to think about the game and consistently try to adjust and improve his level of play." I am also hoping that a consistent use of PokerTracker will help in plugging my individual leaks.

No need to reply if you dont want to, just some things to ponder :)

Here is something for you to ponder: why did you post this? To attempt insult people who play at a lower level than you? To make yourself feel superior by putting others down? To have an inside chuckle with your upper limit buddys about what you consider to be the leaks of the average micro donk?
 
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Here is something for you to ponder:
why did you post this? To make people have a look at their game and have a think about some things.

To attempt insult people who play at a lower level than you?
Nope
To make yourself feel superior by putting other down?
Nope
To have an inside chuckle with your upper limit buddys about what you consider to be the leaks of the average micro donk?
Im not high roller by any means, and up to 6 months ago youd have found me on the $5NL tables.

Please dont go there with the insults, Im being polite, if you have a problem then you know how to use the PM faciltiy.
Edit : nice answers btw.
 
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"To make people have a look at their game and have a think about some things."

Sorry. One of my "life leaks" is not giving people the benefit of the doubt often enough regarding their intentions being benign. Peace.
 
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How on earth are people offended or feeling insulted by this thread?

Choose to answer the questions or choose not to, it's very simple. Don't piss and moan about the thread and how someone asking some questions of micro players has hurt your feelings or whatever. For what it's worth I think this thread has some potentially interesting psychological 'value', as it were.

(I was actually thinking of making a thread somewhat similar to this, though not in questionnaire format. I may still do so, but in the likely event of me being lazy then thanks! ^^)

Edit: Was gonna delete this in light of the above post, but am leaving this up primarily for future posters. Peace! ;)
 
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Im in complete agreeance here. The original post does say you don't have to reply if you don't want to. Why not keep your negative comments to yourself?

PS - Enjoyed answering the questions and look forward to talking with the rest of ya :)
 
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No, yes, define solid,no, no, yes,no, yes
 
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Just some quick questions for anyone playing ring games below $25NL and below .25/.50 Limit.

Do you just play poker just for fun ? Mostly but I would like to be able to do more with it

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ?
Yes, I would like to get to the .10/.25 limit and sit there a while. All I really need for that is more money. I have a couple of holes in my game but I should be able to work on them there
Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ?
Just proper BR management and Hand Analysis
Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ?
More than I would like but not excessive
Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ?
I've only redopisited once. I have taken a couple of loans because I was playing out of my limits too much
Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing youll win more money from the "better" players ?
Seems like the balance of players is much better...and I'll win more money :D
Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ?
Not anymore...been practicing BR management pretty well. You don't even want to know about before :eek:
Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ? I find some...I also trade HA e-mails with someone and they help with that.

No need to reply if you dont want to, just some things to ponder :)

Replied in red...I wouldn't even bother to put that (seems pretty obvious) but it made me put something.
 
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I play the $10 and $25 games mostly

Just some quick questions for anyone playing ring games below $25NL and below .25/.50 Limit.

Do you just play poker just for fun ?
50/50

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ?
Yes. I moved up to playing mostly $25 and hope to be up to $50 within the next couple months.

Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ?
Maybe not solid. I study a lot more than I play so the ol BR doesnt grow that fast, just steady. I try to play x amount a week but right now I don't have the time to put in the hours to move up quickly.

Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ?
I never, ever, tilt. Only call when (implied)odds/reads dictate.

Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ?
I deposited $25 on PokerStars (well Gord deposited $50 and transferred me $25) a little over a year ago and have never put in another dime. I have made a few withdrawals, so thats why I am still at the $25 and sometimes lower tables. Currently have about a $750 BR on a few sites.

Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing youll win more money from the "better" players ?
I'd like to move up to $100 soon but not because I think I will win more against better players. Just want another challenge.

Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ?
No, I stick to what my BR can afford.

Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ?
Of course. Like I said I study more than I play so I am constantly looking at how I played hands and how they could be played better. PokerTracker is my friend

No need to reply if you dont want to, just some things to ponder :)
 
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Do you just play poker just for fun ?
I really enjoy the whole mental aspect of the game...if it isn't fun at a table I move...(i.e. All-in lotto donko who can't really play and is just trying to steal blinds)...the money just makes it more of a challenge and a way to track "how well I am doing" calling when I have odds to do so, folding when I don't, taking away odds from other callers and folding when they've hit.

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ?
I'm on the bubble right now of moving up off the lowest level tables...as the bankroll swells a little, I add one or two higher stake tables. This worked quite well til I hit a down turn (0 for 10 on draws when flopping 4 card bi-lat or nut flush...madding yes..tilting no)...so now I'm back down a level and building the bankroll slightly while waiting for this card lull to pass

Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ?
Proper BR management.

Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ?
...No....but I do find streaks where I'm not hitting my draws with odds...and where others without odds to draw are calling and hitting....alas, such is the nature of the beast :D

Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ?
Haven't deposited on my last run. I wasn't "constantly losing"...more I was constantly winning small pots and losing big ones....all came down to lack of aggression....after joining CC, I picked up quite a few pointers and have "righted the ship"

Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing youll win more money from the "better" players ?
Since each hand will have a higher expected value, so the potential for greater winnings is there...I expect each level to increase the level of "Strategery" and lessen the number of "lotto players"...I'd rather be "bluffed off" a pot by a good player than bluffed off a pot by a chaotic "all-iner" who may have hit or "the pot was $0.57 and so was his table stake... which is his lucky number".

Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ?
Only when it works within proper BR management...so it's not really "shots"...it's more of stepping up but not quite strong enough to keep the other foot up there yet.

Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ?
Yep. find a leak and plug it up. Read, study, and learn from everyone
 
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How on earth are people offended or feeling insulted by this thread?

Um, maybe it's because micro limit players were singled out, and these are not really questions for that group of players alone?

I can only assume that it felt a bit weird to title a post "Questions for all donkeys", and that the op (mistakenly) made the assumption that all micro limit players were bad enough that the transposition was warranted.

As MANY other posters have pointed out, the stakes don't necessarily dictate that you suck.

These are questions for ANY poker players who have made statements like "I only play for fun, or I wish I could play the better players", to get them to reflect on their game a bit (as clarified by the op).


Choose to answer the questions or choose not to, it's very simple.

I chose to answer, and tried to do it in a manner that pointed out the mistake of assuming that stakes of play dictate level of play.

Don't piss and moan about the thread and how someone asking some questions of micro players has hurt your feelings or whatever.

No one is pissing and moaning about the thread.

For what it's worth I think this thread has some potentially interesting psychological 'value', as it were.

For what it's worth I think this is bordering on a personal attack.

(I was actually thinking of making a thread somewhat similar to this, though not in questionnaire format. I may still do so, but in the likely event of me being lazy then thanks! ^^)

Edit: Was gonna delete this in light of the above post, but am leaving this up primarily for future posters. Peace! ;)

Are you serious? Delete it why? I'm sure I wasn't the only one a bit put off by the thread title, but maybe I expressed it too harshly. Anyway, I tried to apologize and I think it's been established that the op had no malice of intent, and that the questions apply to players of any level.
 
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I meant delete my post in light of the fact that you'd retracted your original statement somewhat.

Back on topic now plskthx?
 
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tenbob,
These questions kink of remind me of those pamphlets for problems gamblers that you see ("Do you ever gamble until your last dollar?")
Were you modeling it on that? :):D
 
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Do you just play poker just for fun ? Fun and competition. I'm not looking to turn pro,(or even semi pro:D ). I have a job that pays good. I just need an outlet for my competition gene.

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ?
I did at one point before when my game wasn't in the place were it is now. I lost a large chunk of my BR and am now back down to the lower limits. I will build it up again and then move up. I'm using a mixture of ring games to get a buyin for a SNG. Then cashing in the SNG and back to the rings.

Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ?
Just to make sure that most of my leaks in my game are fixed.

Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ?
Don't tilt. Finally learned when and how to call with the odds.

Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ?
I used to. But I haven't deposited in a while. Which for me shows that my play has been improved.

Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing youll win more money from the "better" players ?
Actually, when I was playing higher limits, I found the lay the same as lower limits. The key is to be able to take advantage of that play.

Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ?
Used to. Now I play within my limits.

Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ?
Big yes to identifying and fixing.
 
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Do you just play poker just for fun ? Nope. Yes. No. Well, okay, Yes, I play for mostly for fun, but if it were costing me money to do so at the level of playing I've managed to achieve so far, I don't know if I'd still be doing it. If I was just holding steady, I'd move down even lower, but if I was not even holding steady I might be too frustrated to keep playing.

Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ?
Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ? One day, but right now I'm happy playing and trying to learn more. I think my current level allows me to develop my playing and since I'm not solely focussed on making as much money as possible, I'm not looking to increase my risk/reward levels until the challenge of playing at this level fades.

Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ? I don't know. I know that for brief moments I get stupid and call/bet when I know better. I would label it impatience, or lack of discipline rather than tilting. It's more of a wrong attitude thing, although it probably stems from frustration like tilt.

Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ? I've only ever made one deposit so far, so, no. But my poker career is young yet. :p

Would you perfer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing youll win more money from the "better" players ? I used to fall into this fallacy. On the other hand, I can have difficulty dropping down in levels because I don't understand what some bets could mean. Maybe I'm just easily confused :). If I rely on my understanding of pot odds, and don't try to read things into bets until I see some hands that confirm my guesses/reads and stay patient, it works out.

Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ? I need a reason to do so. For example, I don't usually play $10+1 SnGs, but since I had Friday off work and it was a chance to play CCer's, I couldn't resist playing the last Friday on PS.

Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ? I try to. PT helps, CC helps, and I have a pokerbuddy that I sometimes send some HH to for his opinion which also helps.

No need to reply if you dont want to, just some things to ponder :)

I did want to reply, 'cause it helps me to think through some of these aspects.

Thanks for the thread, TB.
 
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I play poker...........

JUST for fun.

both low $$ and play $$..

both rake and tournament....

Whatever 'level' I play is not gonna reflect in my lifestyle whether I win $$ or lose $$......... therefore it does not make a great deal of difference to me whether its for $$ or play......Don't get me wrong.....I wanna win.....

The challenge is learning the skill..... The metric to measure progress is winning $$ or tournaments

online poker is fine....playing in a casino puts me next to smokers, boozers, people with bad odor, people with bad breath, poor losers, and generally many people that I don't like....
 
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Just some quick questions for anyone playing ring games below $25NL and below .25/.50 Limit.

  1. Do you just play poker just for fun ?
  2. Do you ever intend to move up in limits and how do you intend to do this ?
  3. Have you a solid plan of action to move you game to the next level ?
  4. Do you find yourself tilting and calling against the odds too much ?
  5. Do you re-deposit on a regular basis, and why do you think this is, are you constantly losing ?
  6. Would you prefer to be playing at a higher limit because you thing you'll win more money from the "better" players ?
  7. Do you find yourself taking "shots" at a higher limit ?
  8. Do you (or can you) identify leaks in your game, do you even bother to look ?
No need to reply if you don't want to, just some things to ponder :)
  1. Yes, but with the goal of becoming better.
  2. I do intend on moving up limits, but I'll increase my BR to handle the move first.
  3. I plan on increasing my BR at the lower levels by playing with discipline,and patience because I realise it will take some time to increase my BR.
  4. Yes, too often. but this will change as I have taken a break from depositing to do some reading and teaching myself some discipline at freerolls.
  5. Yes, the reason I lose is due to lack of discipline and not following proper BR managment rules.
  6. I would prefer to play at the higher levels but I do know that I can't play at those levels because I would be playing with scared money and thats not a good strategy.
  7. Yes I do, I find myself getting tired of too many badbeats and moving up to where my buy-in exceeds the BR rule of 10%.
  8. I don't have pokertracker and find it hard to define the leaks in my game.
 
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Here is something for you to ponder: why did you post this? To attempt insult people who play at a lower level than you? To make yourself feel superior by putting others down? To have an inside chuckle with your upper limit buddys about what you consider to be the leaks of the average micro donk?
If you knew tenbob you'd understand the spirit of his question and also know that he himself plays LL ring games regularly although he's good enough to play at any limit. It's an honest question, and I'm interested in reading the replies. Everyone starts at the lower limits and that also seems to be the domain of the majority of CC members. I find it curious myself why so many of us obviously good players are still grinding it out in the salt mines after so long. Rarely do I see any middle or upper limit hands posted. One would think that more of us would have progressed to bigger games by now. Since that is obviously not the case I'd also like to know what are reasoning is for continuing in what would seem to be a losing venture. Personaly I think there are many good reasons to play beyond making money; entertainment, excitement, having a hobby, meeting people are just a few.
I'll be back later to answer tenbobs questionaire.
 
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