****Offensively Obscene October Cash Game Thread****

[hackmeplz]

meh he opened MP and each Kxs = 1 combo so you're looking at mayyyyyybe 2 combos of value hands we beat? Then you got like 7-10 combos that beat us (depends if he cbets 55. If he double barrels 99 it could get as high as 13 but I think estimating it as like 8-10 is good). So now we have to be good 1/3 of the time for it to be a good call he has to have twice as many value hands as bluffs to fold, so if we give him 8-10 value hands he needs to bluff/vbet worse with 4-5 hands. He vbets chops as well so let's just call it 4? So if he ever bluffs missed draws, if he ever bets AA (up to another 6 combos), give KJs/KTs a total of another 1 combo? So basically if he ever considers bluffing or vbetting AA in a million years we need to call here. That said there are some people who literally have a 0% value range and that sizing is rarely AA so it might actually be a fold.

 

[vinylspiros]

meh he opened MP and each Kxs = 1 combo so you're looking at mayyyyyybe 2 combos of value hands we beat? Then you got like 7-10 combos that beat us (depends if he cbets 55. If he double barrels 99 it could get as high as 13 but I think estimating it as like 8-10 is good). So now we have to be good 1/3 of the time for it to be a good call he has to have twice as many value hands as bluffs to fold, so if we give him 8-10 value hands he needs to bluff/vbet worse with 4-5 hands. He vbets chops as well so let's just call it 4? So if he ever bluffs missed draws, if he ever bets AA (up to another 6 combos), give KJs/KTs a total of another 1 combo? So basically if he ever considers bluffing or vbetting AA in a million years we need to call here. That said there are some people who literally have a 0% value range and that sizing is rarely AA so it might actually be a fold.

LOL. thought so.

 

[hackmeplz]

oh by 0% value I obviously meant 0% bluff range.

 

[vinylspiros]

oh by 0% value I obviously meant 0% bluff range.

But doesnt the fact that his AF=10 mean it could be more likely for him to be bluffing?? I am not good at interpreting what a high AF means exactly. I know if it is over 2.2-2.5 that villain is rather aggro so when looking at villains in this example of 10!, wouldnt this be a reason to maybe justify a call here? Doesnt it mean he is always playing overly aggressive regardless of flop texture and hand ?

 

[WVHillbilly]

30 hands so the stats mean almost nothing but I don't fold there vs that guy.

 

[vinylspiros]

30 hands so the stats mean almost nothing but I don't fold there vs that guy.

^^^Thats what i thought afterwards. Along with the fact that i played it like i had a FD / middle pair type hand.

But not too many people have the nerve to shove almost stack with AA or air here.(unless maybe broken FD that turned air into bluff?)

 

[hackmeplz]

AF just compares how often he raises/bets vs. calls. So if he has a high AF it just means he doesn't call much. Someone who ch/f 99% of rivers, bets 0.9%, and calls 0.1% of them has an AF of 9. AF is seriously useless, at least use aggression frequency and just using cbet % on each street is even better than that.

That said as wvh said it's 30 hands it doesn't really matter wtf those stats say it's just such a super tiny sample.

 

[vinylspiros]

AF just compares how often he raises/bets vs. calls. So if he has a high AF it just means he doesn't call much. Someone who ch/f 99% of rivers, bets 0.9%, and calls 0.1% of them has an AF of 9. AF is seriously useless, at least use aggression frequency and just using cbet % on each street is even better than that.

That said as wvh said it's 30 hands it doesn't really matter wtf those stats say it's just such a super tiny sample.

got it.ty.

 

[redwards92]

To all the beast's that write in the cash thread. IsThis A gOOd Fold?????
I respect myself for making this fold but in hindsight ,did i get punked? I mean, he knows i have a KING here. He cant be that stuopid,can he?

villain is running: 30/20/10 !! over 30 hands.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($4.56)
SB ($9.74)
BB ($6.09)
UTG ($7.47)
MP ($5.05)
Hero (CO) ($8.44)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, Q

1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.52) 6

, K

, K

(3 players)
MP bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.32) 5

(2 players)
MP bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

River: ($3.42) 9

(2 players)
MP bets $3.45 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $3.42 | Rake: $0.14

Results below:

Spoiler

MP didn't show

I am 3betting pre here vs this villian vinyl and definitely stacking off after that flop

That's just me though lol

 

[Blobweird123]

In.

Goals:

20k at Zone Bovada (some reg tables mixed in occasionally)
5k PLO on BCP
Profit
Bust
Win CC Freeroll
Profit

So far the 20k hands will be close, but will prolly fall a tad short. Im at around 5k right now. Profit seems gtd unless I royally screw something up lol. And 5k PLO on BCP. Yeah I think I just thought I was gonna become a PLO grinder that day or something, all but given up on that part for the moment lol.

 

[loomis311]

I think the kq is a bad fold. There are so many more combinations of hands that you beat. The only king you are losing to is if he has an ace kicker. He also may have busted flush draw. He might not even have a king and is barreling off thinking you have a flush draw or hand like 1010, because you are not raising the flop or turn like a lot of players would.

It would be nice to have more information about this player. But, without any other information then what you have, I am calling here all day.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Weirdly enough, the only goal seeming like it won't happen for me this month is getting in my live quota. Been really getting back into the online grind more and enjoying the increased volume quite a bit.

Sitting just over 20 BI's for 50nl, so I've "moved up" though I'm still mixing 50 and 25, and if things go south I'd still have to move down pretty quickly.

 

[duggs]

school has been super busy so im barely playing at all blah

 

[xdeucesx]

school has been super busy so im barely playing at all blah

same here

whats poker?

 

[duggs]

few people have been crying and quitting, was weird

 

[JOEBOB69]

Next weekend having my first ever costume party. My ideas are,
Slash from GNR's, and my wife go as Peggy Bundy
Before i even say it chill,,,,,
A KKK member, and my wife paint her self with black shoe polish or something.

Other suggestions guys/girls?

 

[pocketehs]

Anyone ever written the GMAT?

 

[WVHillbilly]

Next weekend having my first ever costume party. My ideas are,
Slash from GNR's, and my wife go as Peggy Bundy
Before i even say it chill,,,,,
A KKK member, and my wife paint her self with black shoe polish or something.

Other suggestions guys/girls?

If the wife goes as Peggy why not go as Al? Polk High tee and some khakis and you're set. Plus you get to scratch yourself in public all night!

 

[JOEBOB69]

If the wife goes as Peggy why not go as Al? Polk High tee and some khakis and you're set. Plus you get to scratch yourself in public all night!

Cause i want to have fun to. Hell if my wife would let me i would always were a plaid shirt. Also i always walk around with a frown since the wife and kids sucks the life out of me. An i still wear my high school t-shirts. So point is I AM ****ING AL BUNDY!! I want to dress as some one i'm not.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Cause i want to have fun to. Hell if my wife would let me i would always were a plaid shirt. Also i always walk around with a frown since the wife and kids sucks the life out of me. An i still wear my high school t-shirts. So point is I AM ****ING AL BUNDY!! I want to dress as some one i'm not.

Maybe you should just put on a WVU hat and go as me!

 

[JOEBOB69]

Maybe you should just put on a WVU hat and go as me!

I'm just too sexy to pull that off.

 

[JOEBOB69]

Don't ya all go spraining your fingers all at once now helping me out. I don't need any ideas any how.

 

[vinylspiros]

THIS GUY IS AS PASSIVE AND AS TIGHT AS THEY COME:


vILLAINS STATS: 6/4/0.5 over 95 hands. would anyone else ever fold this? i dont see what this nit is reraising flop with here. this is a stat based decision strictly.

was it wrong?




PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Button ($5.55)
SB ($5.62)
BB ($5.16)
Hero (UTG) ($13.14)
MP ($10.29)
CO ($10.21)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, Q

Hero raises to $0.15, 4 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 9

, 10

, Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.29

Turn: ($1.22) 10

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.22) 10

(2 players)
BB bets $1.15, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.22 | Rake: $0.05

Results below:

Spoiler

BB didn't show

 

[duggs]

could fold flop if his range is that set heavy, once it gets to river its very hard to be beat, you beat 99, 1010 is impossible and its really hard for him to have 910 or Q10 and not bet the turn and no other 10s get past the flop. not folding river

 

[vinylspiros]

could fold flop if his range is that set heavy, once it gets to river its very hard to be beat, you beat 99, 1010 is impossible and its really hard for him to have 910 or Q10 and not bet the turn and no other 10s get past the flop. not folding river

im putting him only on kings and aces. period.

i mean if ur running 6/4 ,that means your only playing kings and aces. and maybe Queens if u feel like gambling.

On top of that his AF is 0,5. If he just has a Q for a split, i dont see him potting it.

The reason i folded here is because hes showing aggression when he never does.(according to stats)