+++ July Cash Game Thread +++

[Jagsti]

FYI, WV + Jurn Im still alive and playing rush pokerz atm.

Although Im about to catch a flight to Turkey in a few hours so I wont be able to get back on for a week.

GL all at the tables and sorry for not being around lately.

Miss you loads xxx

(xxx are for Jake )

 

[WVHillbilly]

very nice sir. agh, can't remember the last time i've been able to do that with TPTK. at 100nl rush by the time they call the 3rd barrel it means they have at least a set, or maybe they'll make a big hero call with top two pair

I know what you mean (Rush is rigged btw). He was obviously bad and loved to call so I thought it was pretty likely to work but it's been a while since I'd seen it.

 

[tenbob]

MEh my play this month has been soooo limited. I won't even make silver-star on PS this month.

 

[eNTy]

what are you gonna call the FP-Belgo lovechild ?

drinking this geueze is making me lust for a good brunch/linner

 

[KingCurtis]

It's all about the smug superiority attitude we cash gamers have towards tournament players.

I think it's due to the fact that cash games hate my soul

 

[Jurn8]

FYI, WV + Jurn Im still alive and playing rush pokerz atm.

Although Im about to catch a flight to Turkey in a few hours so I wont be able to get back on for a week.

GL all at the tables and sorry for not being around lately.

Miss you loads xxx

(xxx are for Jake )

Rush, wtf uh oh!

have a fun holiday soft lad xxx

 

[LuckyChippy]

I'm hoping to nail down some solid standard opening ranges so I can get that locked and move on to other areas of the game.

I had a discussion with Skaplun a while back and it really made me think about what hands we want to play and why, which has influenced this area quite a bit and how I think about it. Anyways I have some ideas and some where I'm not sure if I should be tighter or looser in certain areas. Let me know what you think or any ideas.

UTG I'm only thinking on whether I want to open all pairs or 88+, this would obv affect what I open in later positions but I'm opening all pairs by the CO definitely.

UTG (1): 88+,AJs+,A5s-A2s,KQs,JTs,T9s,98s,AQo+ = 8.3%
UTG (2): 22+,AJs+,A5s-A2s,KQs,JTs,T9s,98s,AQo+ = 11%

MP: 22+,ATs+,A5s-A2s,KJs+,JTs,T9s,98s,AQo+,KQo = 12.5%

This one is a bit more difficult but I lean towards the tighter of the two.

CO (1): 22+,ATs+,A5s-A2s,KJs+,J9s+,T8s+,98s,87s,76s,65s,AJo+,KQo = 14.9%
CO (2): 22+,ATs+,A5s-A2s,KJs+,Q9s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,54s,43 s,ATo+,KQo = 18.9%

Just how loose should I be playing the button as a standard vs unknown opponents. Of course I'm adjusting to nits fish etc.

BTN (1): 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,5 4s,A2o+,KQo = 26.7%
BTN (2): 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J8s+,T7s+,96s+,85s+,75s+,64s+,5 3s+,43s,32s,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo = 33.9%
BTN (3): 22+,A2s+,K8s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T7s+,96s+,85s+,75s+,64s+,53s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo = 34.8%


I'm currently at 10nl, break-even when I don't spew

 

[Pascal-lf]

100% range on BTN weeeeeeeeee

 

[Jurn8]

raise button until they play back , make them adjust to you stealing, if you have hands on them in HEM then you can look at their fold to steal stats. even if they call they probs fold to a cbet like a shit tonne.

CO depends whos on the button, is he flatting alot, is he 3betting, is he a nit, etc

you cant say im going to play x hands from this position and x hands from this position it wont help you develop and wont help you to adjust to better players at higher stakes.

you play 6max or FR?

 

[LuckyChippy]

6-max. I was just trying to get a feel for what my standard vs unknowns is. So you suggest a really high button steal range until they play back? Any two suited? I always thought play a solid range until you notice they are tight, loose, fish etc.

The CO is literally all about the button?

I know I need to adjust depending on opponents which is the next part I need to move on to.

 

[F Paulsson]

I'm all for having a set "default" opening range. Yeah, you can adjust it according to circumstances but you need to have something that you can adjust before you start adjusting it, if you see what I mean.

My default range for all positions (6max):

UTG: Any PP (although I wouldn't fault anyone for mucking 22-66), JTs+, AJs+, AQo+

MP: Any PP, 98s+, A8s+, AJo+, KTs+, KQo

CO: PPs,76s+, QTo+,AXs+,A8o+, KTo+,K9s+

Button: Any PP, any two suited, any ace, 65o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J7o+,T6o+,75o+

SB: Same as CO and then some on average. This is as specific as I can get, because when I'm in SB, my range really does vary hugely depending on who's in the BB. When you're dealing with only one opponent left to act, that kinda matters. Versus someone who never folds in BB, my range is what it is in CO. And from there it stretches all the way up to the button range.

It might seem strange that I'd steal with T6o but not K6o. I'll leave the "why" on that as an exercise for the reader.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

drinking this geueze is making me lust for a good brunch/linner

you know, I'm probably the only one here who knows what a gueuze is... Which brand do you drink? I really like Cantillon.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

It might seem strange that I'd steal with T6o but not K6o. I'll leave the "why" on that as an exercise for the reader.

negative implied odds

 

[Pokertron3000]

negative implied odds

This is what I thought but as a player new to actual learning I was scared to suggest it I suck but am trying to get more confidence in my playing and by extention posting. Basically we are getting into more trouble with K6o than 10 6o because the chances people are playing a king with a better kicker is higher and its pretty pointless going to war with a hand like this?

Also I just started playing cash but it has all been rush so far, I am ahead right now but basically it just seemed a good idea to get this months Ironman to be available for the bonus at the end of the year (need one more day of 50 points) and I have a free month of drag the bar. Do you think its better to wait a month untill I get a feel for FR or just go ahead and join now?

 

[F Paulsson]

This is what I thought but as a player new to actual learning I was scared to suggest it I suck but am trying to get more confidence in my playing and by extention posting. Basically we are getting into more trouble with K6o than 10 6o because the chances people are playing a king with a better kicker is higher and its pretty pointless going to war with a hand like this?

There are two considerations when you raise preflop:

What will happen if you're called?
What will happen if you're raised?

What happens when they fold is completely uninteresting, because, well, nothing more happens. 72o is just as good as AA when that happens. So is K6o better or worse than T6o when you get raised? It's exactly the same, because we fold both when we're raised.

But how about when we're called? As you guessed, we're more likely to be called by hands that contain a king than hands that contain a T. Specifically, what good is a K-5-2 flop for us, really, when we have K6o?

(A fun secondary feature of not opening Kxo is that K-X-X boards are good for bluffing - and they're more frequent when you don't have a K in your hand)

 

[eNTy]

you know, I'm probably the only one here who knows what a gueuze is... Which brand do you drink? I really like Cantillon.

thats why it was directed mainly at you
you know i am 95% sure i visited the brewery you linked in brussels last year and took the tour with a small group of friends. no one liked the samples so i ended up drinking all of them though iirc it was lambic and not geueze we were drinking then, and some kriek.

my brother bought 2 crates of girardin 1882 and a few 75cl bottles. its so nice and refreshing when its hot

he also finally got into the westvleteren brewery with a friend and bought a case of westvleteren and later my parents bought 2 more. SCORE ! basically the most exclusive beer in the world right ? i think that a single bottle goes for around $50 on ebay. and its like 20 euros for a 6 pack in the brewery . its so tasty and man its like a meal its so heavy and so dark if u hold it right in front of the bright sun it cant even shine through it. i think every visitor can only buy 1 six pack max.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westvleteren_Brewery

i think its awesome how they make one of the best beers in the world and they dont care about production or expanding or profit or anything like that. they just want to live a peaceful live and make enough to survive. in 60 years they have declined almost all interview requests and in the one they did the monk basically said "please stop calling us" he answered one question. when they asked why they made beer he said "praying all day makes you crazy. so we pray and make beer".

 

[Pokertron3000]

There are two considerations when you raise preflop:

What will happen if you're called?
What will happen if you're raised?

What happens when they fold is completely uninteresting, because, well, nothing more happens. 72o is just as good as AA when that happens. So is K6o better or worse than T6o when you get raised? It's exactly the same, because we fold both when we're raised.

But how about when we're called? As you guessed, we're more likely to be called by hands that contain a king than hands that contain a T. Specifically, what good is a K-5-2 flop for us, really, when we have K6o?

(A fun secondary feature of not opening Kxo is that K-X-X boards are good for bluffing - and they're more frequent when you don't have a K in your hand)

Thank you for the post FP I never thought about the K-X-X board that way, my default at the moment is to just c-bet everything and let it go if there is too much resistance. I guess this means there is more thought going into my preflop game than my postflop game. Infact if I am honest with myself I am only just learning poker instead of mashing buttons and following basic stuff at sngs.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

he also finally got into the westvleteren brewery with a friend and bought a case of westvleteren and later my parents bought 2 more. SCORE !

I am very jealous right now.

 

[eNTy]

i told you you shouldve visited me when you were in belgium

 

[BelgoSuisse]

So that people can appreciate how insanely exclusive enty's beer is, here's the web page if you want to get some bottles from there

http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm

The Westvleteren "Trappist" is sold exclusively at the abbey store, and only after having made a reservation by telephone (...).

How does one reserve beer?

See our web page Up-to-date Information for information regarding when reservations will be accepted for which beer and how much beer can be reserved at any one time.

At the time indicated, call us using the beer phone number (...)

Then you can make an appointment (date and time) with the beer phone operator, providing the license plate number of the car which will be used to pick up the order.

 

[Pokertron3000]

So that people can appreciate how insanely exclusive enty's beer is, here's the web page if you want to get some bottles from there

http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm

Pretty damn cool, why do monks make kick ass alcahol?

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Pretty damn cool, why do monks make kick ass alcahol?

Because trappist monks follow the rule of St. Benedict, and according to chapter 48, they need to live by the work of their hands. And so trappist monasteries produce cheese, beer and some other foods to make a living.

The reason their beer is so damn good has a lot to do with tradition and time. Great beer requires a good recipe, but also great yeast. And yeast is a living organism which can only be selected over time, and time is something monks have aplenty.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

about yeast, the "gueuze" beer enty was drinking earlier requires Brettanomyces bruxellensis, a variety of yeast that lives in the wild in the valley around Brussels.

 

[Pokertron3000]

Because trappist monks follow the rule of St. Benedict, and according to chapter 48, they need to live by the work of their hands. And so trappist monasteries produce cheese, beer and some other foods to make a living.

The reason their beer is so damn good has a lot to do with tradition and time. Great beer requires a good recipe, but also great yeast. And yeast is a living organism which can only be selected over time, and time is something monks have aplenty.

See Belgo not only are you several levels ahead of me in poker you are even more ahead in life good sir. Going to play pokers tonight and its great that I look forward to playing now yaaay, was going to have beer but you euros have spoilt it with you talk of fine drinking humph.

 

[Juniorsdaddy]

After losing my mind playing Rush earlier this month, I have swithced to the Shallow Stack tables. I have actually won most of the money back that I lost playing Rush, mainly due to the fact that most of the other people playing are absolute maniacs.

full tilt poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/831028
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BB: $3.19
UTG: $2.25
UTG+1: $9.12
UTG+2: $3.46
Hero (MP1): $5.48
MP2: $7.09
CO: $0.95
BTN: $8.26
SB: $1.75
Pre Flop: ($0.15)
Hero is MP1 with Ad As
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold,
Hero raises to $0.40, MP2 raises to $1,
CO calls $0.95 all in, 2 folds,
BB raises to $3.19 all in, 1 fold,
Hero raises to $5.48 all in, MP2 calls $4.48
Flop: ($15.25) Qc 3c Kd
Turn: ($15.25) Th
River: ($15.25) 7d
Final Pot: $15.25
BB shows Js Td (a pair of Tens)
Hero shows Ad As (a pair of Aces)
MP2 shows Qd Ac (a pair of Queens)
CO shows 2h Kc (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins $4.28
Hero wins $6.27
Hero wins $3.69
(Rake: $1.01)