Ducky7
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JOEBOB69
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Well i see i have PM's. Even before i look i can't take any va ca before 11-1-14..... due do god damn retards.
Any way let me see, what have i've been into, i've put in a awefull lot of 24-36 hour day(s).
Hope every one is well. GL, an here is a You tube vid.
Any way let me see, what have i've been into, i've put in a awefull lot of 24-36 hour day(s).
Hope every one is well. GL, an here is a You tube vid.
JOEBOB69
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We (aka my wife ) are in the middle of adding 2 rooms onto the house. Which she stays pissed at me over the phone cause i'm never home to over see any thing.
So ..... Not great.
1 of the rooms was going to be my "man cave" which is slowing turning out to be my mom's retirement cottage, or so i've been told within the last week or so.
So ..... Not great.
1 of the rooms was going to be my "man cave" which is slowing turning out to be my mom's retirement cottage, or so i've been told within the last week or so.
duggs
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Lots of people have been complaining about it
Mr Sandbag
Legend
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Well I was going to post two HH's from Zone where a timeout mistake on one table sent me on monkey tilt and caused a mistake immediately on another table but ended up saving me 200bb+. But the hand is completely gone from the hand histories somehow. It was two simultaneous hands. One is easily found in the HH's, and the other is gone entirely. RIGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr Sandbag
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Anyways, it went something like this:
On one table, I flop trip threes, turn threes full of tens (I had T3o in the BB), but timeout on the turn because of the hand on the other table and a typo while typing in the raise amount.
On the other table, I just flopped trip Kings with KQ against an UTG opener. Turn and River were both 8's, so I've got Kings full of eights. Because of my timeout, I'm tilting hard and accidentally just call UTG's river bet. He flips 88 for quad 8's. We were both 200bb+ deep at the start of the hand.
On one table, I flop trip threes, turn threes full of tens (I had T3o in the BB), but timeout on the turn because of the hand on the other table and a typo while typing in the raise amount.
On the other table, I just flopped trip Kings with KQ against an UTG opener. Turn and River were both 8's, so I've got Kings full of eights. Because of my timeout, I'm tilting hard and accidentally just call UTG's river bet. He flips 88 for quad 8's. We were both 200bb+ deep at the start of the hand.
xdeucesx
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just saw the most insane ruling live of my life, like legit furious
I could be wrong, which I doubt, but if I am, somebody tell me I'm crazy.
Story:
-I was grinding 2/5 live on my new stake last night for my first session in awhile. Anyways, I'm sitting around 1,250$ or so and theres a bad reg who has me covered. It's like 2 am and everyone is getting tired so game is about to break. The reg is racking his chips, (for non live players, this is essentially the same as leaving) as my casino has a rule that once the chips hit the rack, you have to leave...aka you can't play out of the rack.
So reg, who's clearly aware of this rule, puts his chips in the rack and stands up to talk to another reg. He is dealt out of two or three hands while he stands by the table chatting. He has not paid a blind though.
So this means its almost the same as if he had never sat out imo. Since the blinds hadn't passed him and his name wasn't taken out of the system, he was still "sitting" imo.
Anyways, blinds are about to come to him and he says "Alright, deal me in for one more hand". He puts his chips back on the table, but only one rack. He has two racks, one rack with like 1.2k and the other with roughly 300$. He puts the 1.2k rack on the "rail" and the 300$ on the felt. The rule is kind of enforced, but in reg heavy games, like the 2/5, it's somewhat not enforced...if that makes sense. Sorry, I'm sure if you've ever played live, you get what i'm saying.
Finally (sorry for long story), reg limps, I raise with QQ, he calls. Q74 flop...he donks, I raise and he jams, I snap call and he flips 77. Board runs out bricks and he says "nice hand, atleast i'm only in 300$ lol" and laughs.
He ships over 300$, I'm pretty confused since I'm not sure what should count/not count and dealer calls over floor almost immediately. Dealer tells floor what happened, floor rules that the 1,200$ is NOT in play, only the 300$.
Dealer didn't argue one way or the other, but he definitely implied that the 1,200$ should be included as well.
Anyways, what do you guys think the right ruling is? He technically racked up his chips, however he hadn't missed a blind and therefore, he technically hadn't left the table yet. I think this is the same as taking money off the table, since he didn't leave/re-enter his seat. I think the 1,200$ should be forced to the middle too imo. It was on the table, since it was on the black rail part of the table.
Very confusing spot and I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts, especially the live grinders out there.
edit: Sorry for confusion, when I mean the rule is "partly enforced", I'm speaking to the rack rule. The rule is once chips hit the rack, that's your last hand...For example, if you go to rack up in middle of a hand, you can play your next hand but that's it.
edit part 2: He "played to his button" so he racked up while in sb, played button out of rack, then stood up and started chatting with other reg...came back in like a few hands later while UTG + 2.
edit 3: I kind of had a feeling he was only in 300$ since he donked 20$, I raised to 65$ and he just jammed over it lol. I probably should have asked right then but it didn't really strike me at the time and I think it's kind of ridiculous to have players making assumptions based on incomplete information as far as like non-game issues go.
I could be wrong, which I doubt, but if I am, somebody tell me I'm crazy.
Story:
-I was grinding 2/5 live on my new stake last night for my first session in awhile. Anyways, I'm sitting around 1,250$ or so and theres a bad reg who has me covered. It's like 2 am and everyone is getting tired so game is about to break. The reg is racking his chips, (for non live players, this is essentially the same as leaving) as my casino has a rule that once the chips hit the rack, you have to leave...aka you can't play out of the rack.
So reg, who's clearly aware of this rule, puts his chips in the rack and stands up to talk to another reg. He is dealt out of two or three hands while he stands by the table chatting. He has not paid a blind though.
So this means its almost the same as if he had never sat out imo. Since the blinds hadn't passed him and his name wasn't taken out of the system, he was still "sitting" imo.
Anyways, blinds are about to come to him and he says "Alright, deal me in for one more hand". He puts his chips back on the table, but only one rack. He has two racks, one rack with like 1.2k and the other with roughly 300$. He puts the 1.2k rack on the "rail" and the 300$ on the felt. The rule is kind of enforced, but in reg heavy games, like the 2/5, it's somewhat not enforced...if that makes sense. Sorry, I'm sure if you've ever played live, you get what i'm saying.
Finally (sorry for long story
), reg limps, I raise with QQ, he calls. Q74 flop...he donks, I raise and he jams, I snap call and he flips 77. Board runs out bricks and he says "nice hand, atleast i'm only in 300$ lol" and laughs.He ships over 300$, I'm pretty confused since I'm not sure what should count/not count and dealer calls over floor almost immediately. Dealer tells floor what happened, floor rules that the 1,200$ is NOT in play, only the 300$.
Dealer didn't argue one way or the other, but he definitely implied that the 1,200$ should be included as well.
Anyways, what do you guys think the right ruling is? He technically racked up his chips, however he hadn't missed a blind and therefore, he technically hadn't left the table yet. I think this is the same as taking money off the table, since he didn't leave/re-enter his seat. I think the 1,200$ should be forced to the middle too imo. It was on the table, since it was on the black rail part of the table.
Very confusing spot and I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts, especially the live grinders out there.
edit: Sorry for confusion, when I mean the rule is "partly enforced", I'm speaking to the rack rule. The rule is once chips hit the rack, that's your last hand...For example, if you go to rack up in middle of a hand, you can play your next hand but that's it.
edit part 2: He "played to his button" so he racked up while in sb, played button out of rack, then stood up and started chatting with other reg...came back in like a few hands later while UTG + 2.
edit 3: I kind of had a feeling he was only in 300$ since he donked 20$, I raised to 65$ and he just jammed over it lol. I probably should have asked right then but it didn't really strike me at the time and I think it's kind of ridiculous to have players making assumptions based on incomplete information as far as like non-game issues go.
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BenjiHustle
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As long as he didn't pull the other chips from the rack, your opinion on whether or not he left doesn't matter. The chips are racked, pulled from the table, the seat is empty. Then new player joins with $300, just so happens to have the same face as the last player who sat there. Live rulings really have a way of being infuriating, but you have to wonder if he would've pulled the 1200 if he had won with that set.
Here's where things get tricky: Does your casino allow a player to get up, cash out, and return to the same table/same seat with an original buy-in amount or does the player have to re-stack fully just as their stack was when they left? Also, what's the max buy-in, because I feel like he should've been forced to ship a max buy-in given the fact that he was racked on the rail when he joined the table again. It was as though he hadn't finished pulling his chips from the rack when he just joined as opposed to having pulled money off of the table (which I still think is against the rules). With that being the case, and assuming that the card room allows players to pull profits off the table and return with a buy-in only, I feel like you should've at least been given $500 on principle. I think it's bullsh*t that they allowed him to pull his profits and return for one hand on a shorter stack, but it should've at least been a full buy-in.
Also, in reading this back over to make sure I covered it, I realized I didn't. Did he color up before he racked? I would assume you're playing with $5 chips which would make for 3 $500 racks; not a $300 and $1200 rack.This is obviously trivial, it just confused me.
Here's where things get tricky: Does your casino allow a player to get up, cash out, and return to the same table/same seat with an original buy-in amount or does the player have to re-stack fully just as their stack was when they left? Also, what's the max buy-in, because I feel like he should've been forced to ship a max buy-in given the fact that he was racked on the rail when he joined the table again. It was as though he hadn't finished pulling his chips from the rack when he just joined as opposed to having pulled money off of the table (which I still think is against the rules). With that being the case, and assuming that the card room allows players to pull profits off the table and return with a buy-in only, I feel like you should've at least been given $500 on principle. I think it's bullsh*t that they allowed him to pull his profits and return for one hand on a shorter stack, but it should've at least been a full buy-in.
Also, in reading this back over to make sure I covered it, I realized I didn't. Did he color up before he racked? I would assume you're playing with $5 chips which would make for 3 $500 racks; not a $300 and $1200 rack.This is obviously trivial, it just confused me.
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WVHillbilly
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You should have 100% asked for a count when he shoved to solve the issue but having said that, I'm with you. It's just like he went to the bathroom imo. When he comes back ALL of his chips should have been in play. I'd be speaking to the poker room manager to avoid situations like this in the future and to try to get some comps at least since he did just cost you $900.
Ducky7
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isnt it a rule in like 99% of casinos you arent allowed to take chips off the table
I remember i was playing live and this guy had 303BB and was leaving so he put his 300 in a rack and left 3bb he went "all in" thinking he shoved for remaining 3BB or whatever, but ruling was he had to jam 303BB because you cant take money off the table
So honestly Deuces i would be fuming, im annoyed for you. Although by the sounds of it he should not be in the hand anyway
I remember i was playing live and this guy had 303BB and was leaving so he put his 300 in a rack and left 3bb he went "all in" thinking he shoved for remaining 3BB or whatever, but ruling was he had to jam 303BB because you cant take money off the table
So honestly Deuces i would be fuming, im annoyed for you. Although by the sounds of it he should not be in the hand anyway
xdeucesx
Bar Master
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-Your not allowed to "rathole", but again, it's not hardcore enforced. If a player does it routinely, I think there is a 1 hour wait before you can rejoin.
-He had it in greens and reds mixed, like the 300$ was maybe 4 greens and the rest red. He didn't "color up" before he left, just racked his chips.
-Max is 500, min 300 so he "technically" met the min buy in but he ended up having 308$. It wasn't a perfect buy in as if he had separated them on purpose or anything.
I've been grinding live for awhile but had never come across anything like this tbh. Odd, seeing as I feel like i've seen just about everything.
-Yeah I spoke with floor last night and he apologized/gave me 25$ free slot play lol. My girlfriend uses my slot play so I guess she wins in this whole thing. But yeah, that's what I argued at the table that it's essentially the same as going to the bathroom. If the BBJ had gone off, he would have still gotten his table share since the blinds hadn't hit him yet, therefore, I don't think he left the table.
Yep, no chips are allowed to leave the table besides for ****tail waitresses or for food served by the casino.
-I kept my cool, as I would never fly off the handle in public, but it was pretty tilting. After the hand, the reg accused me of angling him lol, which I think is pretty ridic. The rest of the table agreed with me and I guess I've learned a lesson, which is to always clarify before acting in uncertain spots.
Mr Sandbag
Legend
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That is super f**kin bullshit dude. There is absolutely no sound logic why those chips aren't in play. You can't rathole. Either all his chips are in That is super f**kin bullshit dude. There is absolutely no sound logic why those chips aren't in play. You can't rathole. Either all his chips are in play or he's not playing. If I were you, I would talk to higher management next time you go in and try to get something out of it. Possibly the worst ruling I've ever heard. I don't know how you stayed calm. I never fly off the handle in public, but there would be a huge problem if that happened to me.play or he's not playing. If I were you, I would talk to higher management next time you go in and try to get something out of it. Possibly the worst ruling I've ever heard. I don't know how you stayed calm. I never fly off the handle in public, but there would be a huge problem if that happened to me.
hackmeplz
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Change casinos pre. Seriously I wouldn't feel comfortable playing poker in a casino where a floor makes a ruling like that. Honestly that entire rule is just dumb and if it's going to be a rule it needs to be enforced 100% because enforcing it some of the time leads to angling both ways on it. But regardless of what the rule is on racks no one should ever be allowed to go south with some of his money. Either he's racked up and is dealt out of the hand or all the money that was on the table stays. But like I said if that's the kind of ruling the floor makes I'm not playing there anymore because who knows what kind of bullshit rulings he'll make in the future? This isn't online where you're making a buyin every hour or two it's live where if you're killing it you're making a couple buy-ins a week. Floors making rulings like this really can kill your hourly and make it to the point where it's not worth playing in that casino.
What casino is it anyway? I'd see if there's a 2p2 thread for it (there is for most casinos) and post the story complaining about it there. Maybe if they have a rep there they'll take it more seriously when it's getting posted in a forum that a ton of people who play there regularly will read.
What casino is it anyway? I'd see if there's a 2p2 thread for it (there is for most casinos) and post the story complaining about it there. Maybe if they have a rep there they'll take it more seriously when it's getting posted in a forum that a ton of people who play there regularly will read.
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
It was with my buddies in a smaller Indian casino where I use to be a reg when I was under 21, but rarely if ever play there anymore. I had some friends home for the weekend and they "only get lucky" at that place so we had to make the trip lol.
no 2+2 thread as I already looked. If this was at my home casino, I probably would have raised a massive shit storm over it by now.
edit: 18 to gamble so I wasn't breaking any laws previously while under 21
double edit: Apaz it has a sick 5/10 game that runs with most of the same regs who were in the 2/5 game. If that's true, once/if/ever my BR gets big again, I'm going to try to hit that game alot. It was an incredibly soft 2/5 game, standard raise was like 8x pre +2x per limper.
no 2+2 thread as I already looked. If this was at my home casino, I probably would have raised a massive shit storm over it by now.
edit: 18 to gamble so I wasn't breaking any laws previously while under 21
double edit: Apaz it has a sick 5/10 game that runs with most of the same regs who were in the 2/5 game. If that's true, once/if/ever my BR gets big again, I'm going to try to hit that game alot. It was an incredibly soft 2/5 game, standard raise was like 8x pre +2x per limper.
WVHillbilly
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