**Jackles Getting serious CASH Thread**

[Jackle43]

Just had a play around with Leaktracker and poker tracker 4 leak finder and everything was solid and good, but I did find that I could work on my turn play, Any Ideas as this is considered the hardest street to play properly in Holdem.
To get better at turn play what should my main focuses be on?

 

[AlfieAA]

Just had a play around with Leaktracker and poker tracker 4 leak finder and everything was solid and good, but I did find that I could work on my turn play, Any Ideas as this is considered the hardest street to play properly in Holdem.
To get better at turn play what should my main focuses be on?

What did you find in your turn play?....are you losing value when you've won hands or are you giving up when you dont hit by the turn or think you're beat in the hand?

 

[Jackle43]

What did you find in your turn play?....are you losing value when you've won hands or are you giving up when you dont hit by the turn or think you're beat in the hand?

I think giving up a bit to much, and sometimes maybe loosing a bit of value but nothing to consider changing at the moment IMO

 

[Jackle43]

Any ideas to stop giving up so much on the turn, probably folding some hands instead of floating, its just I find a float always leads to a river bluff that always gets called at the micros??

 

[AlfieAA]

Easy man, dont bluff at the nanos....value if you hit and your range is ahead of villian....check/fold if you miss and think you are behind....leave the floating for 25+nl

 

[Jackle43]

Easy man, dont bluff at the nanos....value if you hit and your range is ahead of villian....check/fold if you miss and think you are behind....leave the floating for 25+nl

yeah thats what I have been doing but that was the only stat that came up as a leak, folding to turn aggression to much

 

[AlfieAA]

Maybe you need to tighten up pre flop or pick better spots positionally, or isolate to get to heads up with a fish...if your gonna play a hand, then try and have reasons for betting in the first place.....maybe drop lower/mid pairs unless you are I'm late position or in the big blind....or check your hud for 'fold to turn bet'.....bet more against people who have a high % and give up if you think you're beat and think they will go all the way if its a low %..

 

[Jackle43]

Going to try and get a session in today, had yesterday off due to uni work and went out that night.
Just wondering i keep getting in tricky pots with QQ JJ, Just wondering against average player, how do we play these against three bets oop, just calling most of the time? and maybe calling 1 or two streets?

 

[pocketehs]

Going to try and get a session in today, had yesterday off due to uni work and went out that night.
Just wondering i keep getting in tricky pots with QQ JJ, Just wondering against average player, how do we play these against three bets oop, just calling most of the time? and maybe calling 1 or two streets?

OOP with QQ facing a three bet vs anyone who isnt a super nit - Im 4 bet jamming

I think JJ is a different beast. Someone needs to have a 3bet of 6.5% or higher to GII profitably with JJ but I doubt its going to be good against a reg. If its a LP 3bet I think you can flat and x/c a lot but again you cant just state a tough spot with little info when theres so many factors that we need to think about before we make a decision.
such as...

- stats
- position
- stack sizes
- history
- reads

 

[Jackle43]

OOP with QQ facing a three bet vs anyone who isnt a super nit - Im 4 bet jamming

I think JJ is a different beast. Someone needs to have a 3bet of 6.5% or higher to GII profitably with JJ but I doubt its going to be good against a reg. If its a LP 3bet I think you can flat and x/c a lot but again you cant just state a tough spot with little info when theres so many factors that we need to think about before we make a decision.
such as...

- stats
- position
- stack sizes
- history
- reads

Yeah I fully agree and ofcourse its situational but I know that JJ especially is a hand I find really troublesome to play facing aggression as people do the same with AK-TT type hands so I struggle sometimes to know Where I am in the hand.

 

[duggs]

just found this in

 

[Matt Vaughan]

OOP with QQ facing a three bet vs anyone who isnt a super nit - Im 4 bet jamming

I think JJ is a different beast. Someone needs to have a 3bet of 6.5% or higher to GII profitably with JJ but I doubt its going to be good against a reg. If its a LP 3bet I think you can flat and x/c a lot but again you cant just state a tough spot with little info when theres so many factors that we need to think about before we make a decision.
such as...

- stats
- position
- stack sizes
- history
- reads

I think another key point that was missed is that people's 3bet ranges are not necessarily the same as their 3bet/call-4bet-all-in ranges. And the problem is that I think if you 4bet jam QQ, many players are considering folding JJ. I'll try to pull out Flopzilla later and look at how QQ is doing against 3bet ranges OOP postflop.

Haven't been putting as much time in with Flopzilla as I should

 

[Jackle43]

just found this in

Thanks Duggs, I will be putting up a few hands tonight hopefully!!

 

[Jackle43]

I think another key point that was missed is that people's 3bet ranges are not necessarily the same as their 3bet/call-4bet-all-in ranges. And the problem is that I think if you 4bet jam QQ, many players are considering folding JJ. I'll try to pull out Flopzilla later and look at how QQ is doing against 3bet ranges OOP postflop.

Haven't been putting as much time in with Flopzilla as I should

Yeah tell me how it goes. JJ is really my trouble QQ I can feel comfortable with in most situations

 

[pocketehs]

Yeah tell me how it goes. JJ is really my trouble QQ I can feel comfortable with in most situations

filter for 3 bet spots with JJ. Id love to go over this with you dude

 

[Jackle43]

filter for 3 bet spots with JJ. Id love to go over this with you dude

Sorry not that great with pokertracker, How do I filter?

 

[Jackle43]

These are some hands from JJ 3bet pots

poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2151781
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MP: $0.85
CO: $2.00
BTN: $3.65
Hero (SB): $2.00
BB: $1.60
UTG: $1.74

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with J :diamond: J :heart:
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, CO calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.44) 7 :heart: 3 :club: 4 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.34, CO raises to $1.80 all in, Hero calls $1.46 all in

Turn: ($4.04) 9 :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($4.04) Q :heart: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $4.04
CO mucks 2 :spade: 2 :diamond:
Hero shows J :diamond: J :heart: (a pair of Jacks)
Hero wins $3.90
(Rake: $0.14)

 

[Jackle43]

Bad fold just scared of the ace?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2151784
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MP: $1.24
CO: $0.81
BTN: $2.37
SB: $2.40
Hero (BB): $2.67
UTG: $1.55

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with J :heart: J :spade:
1 fold, MP raises to $0.06, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.22, MP calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.45) 2 :heart: A :spade: 8 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, MP raises to $1.02 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: $0.95
MP wins $0.92
(Rake: $0.03)

 

[Jackle43]

To my surprise pokertracker says I am winning with JJ haha, But yeah really trouble hand for me in my opinion.
And every time I filter on my Pokertracker it just shuts down... So many bugs for me in this trial version and I have spoken to them a few times they cant really help me with it.
It kind of turned me off buying the real version.....

 

[tenbob]

Remember that with tpgk type hands, bet folding the turn vs most non fish is the nuts. Learn pre-flop stacking ranges, get that funky chart and put it up beside your screen, then stick to it.

At the micro's your bets should almost always be for value, bluffs really only have a very small part of your range.

 

[pocketehs]

Remember that with tpgk type hands, bet folding the turn vs most non fish is the nuts. Learn pre-flop stacking ranges, get that funky chart and put it up beside your screen, then stick to it.

At the micro's your bets should almost always be for value, bluffs really only have a very small part of your range.

100p agree with tenbob. Ill send you the chart tomorrow if you dont have it.

Hand 2 though I think youre cbet should be a bit larger although Im not sure if it accomplishes anything more than what your sizing was. Im just trying to think of how I would play it

 

[Jackle43]

100p agree with tenbob. Ill send you the chart tomorrow if you dont have it.

Hand 2 though I think youre cbet should be a bit larger although Im not sure if it accomplishes anything more than what your sizing was. Im just trying to think of how I would play it

Yeah chart would be great thankyou, on review I thought that I should maybe check/ call the flop and see what happens on the turn? If he keeps aggression up just fold? Or is the c bet (but a larger) a better option? or even check fold flop?

 

[Jackle43]

about to start a session! will hopefully get some interesting spots

 

[Jackle43]

pretty short session because enternet began to drop out and it just got frustrating.

How would you play this hand?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2151931
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: $5.02
Hero (CO): $2.00
BTN: $1.00
SB: $3.54
BB: $5.46
UTG: $5.08

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K :spade: Q :diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) 6 :spade: 8 :club: 5 :spade: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.34) T :heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.22, SB calls $0.22

River: ($0.78) T :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???

Fire Again or just fold, he was reg so he can fold hands, not a complete station or anything.

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Line check?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2151932
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $0.80
BTN: $5.07
SB: $0.62
BB: $0.78
UTG: $3.52
Hero (MP): $2.09

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with A :heart: Q :club:
UTG raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, SB calls $0.19, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.46) 5 :diamond: 2 :diamond: 8 :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.28, SB folds

Final Pot: $0.46
Hero wins $0.44
(Rake: $0.02)


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Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2151933
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Hero (CO): $2.64
BTN: $2.00
SB: $0.69
BB: $1.51

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K :heart: J :diamond:
Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) 7 :club: J :club: 6 :heart: (2 players)
SB bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.32, SB raises to $0.56, Hero calls $0.24

Turn: ($1.26) 8 :heart: (2 players)
SB bets $0.07 all in, Hero calls $0.07

River: ($1.40) 2 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $1.40
Hero shows K :heart: J :diamond: (a pair of Jacks - King kicker)
SB shows J :heart: Q :diamond: (a pair of Jacks)
Hero wins $1.35
(Rake: $0.05)

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Nothing special in this hand besides I HIT THE CARD I NEEDED first time in a while during a race for the flush haha

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2151934
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $2.08
UTG: $2.00
CO: $0.64
BTN: $0.64
SB: $1.50

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with Q :club: A :club:
1 fold, CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero raises to $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.08, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.24) 7 :diamond: 9 :club: K :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, BTN raises to $0.54 all in, Hero calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.32) J :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($1.32) 9 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $1.32
Hero shows Q :club: A :club: (a flush, Ace high)
BTN shows 9 :heart: A :spade: (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero wins $1.27
(Rake: $0.05)
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Is this too aggro against a bunch of stations, because AT pre here is seriously for value with what they are calling with

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2151935
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SB: $1.07
BB: $1.94
UTG: $5.84
MP: $1.80
CO: $2.18
Hero (BTN): $2.03

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A :heart: T :heart:
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.10, 1 fold, BB calls $0.08, UTG calls $0.08, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.33) 5 :club: J :heart: K :club: (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB folds, UTG calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.73) 8 :diamond: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.73) 8 :heart: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $0.73
UTG shows 6 :club: 9 :club: (a pair of Eights)
Hero shows A :heart: T :heart: (a pair of Eights - Ace kicker)
Hero wins $0.70
(Rake: $0.03)

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Man you need to label your hands or something. I'll go in order:

H1: He has a ton of FDs here imo so I barrel the river. Hard for him to show up with weird 1 pair hands, though you didn't post any stats so I guess he can have some 8s in his range? But you said he's a reg and not a station so I go for the barrel. He likely folds some 8s at least some of the time, and he's never calling down Axcc here.

H2: Totally standard. Great board to cbet, and I expect to take it down a ton. WP.

H3: Fine vs. most players at these limits, but don't leave him 7c behind on the flop. Just put it in since you're obv never folding when he bets 7c into $1.32 on the turn. NH.

H4: Standard. Nice iso size imo, and ofc snap-calling that flop with a FD and an over for that price.

H5: Consider checking behind this flop. We obviously can't bet for value unless you think so many draws stay in that you barrel blank turns and blank rivers knowing that draws missed. But imo just check it and give up. If it's HU I'd be more willing to try the barreling approach. But these players limped and called a raise. You won't be getting enough folds from any part of their ranges to make this +EV imo.