I have started playing again cash games. I have been seeing this players with huge stakes 3-6 time buy-in never folding winning with hands i wouldn't play and i am loose I hardly see anyone play them like 3 6 s and win. How is this possible. How can these players win every hand there is usually 3 players at the table that are doing this. How is this possible to never lose a hand fold very little and win. Doesn't make sense to me. If they played strong hands every time i could understand that but they play hands that wouldnt be so good and win. Am i missing something. Please advise me. I am on ACR.

Almost certainly it is short-term variance.

I kno what you mean, already all in preflop and raise everything...
Than they turned the river or direktly the tripss... OMG...

Most of these kind of plays occurs at low stakes.
There are two possibilities-
1- the cards are favouring to them.
2- the 3-4 players on the table are Carteling and knows their cards very well.

Aleays remember Cash in a hand is more wothy than Cash in the pot.

Agreed - it is most likely variance. In order to be sure, you have to review every session you play, make notes on these no-fold-em players and see if you can figure out what is happening. This will take a lot of time, unless you use a HUD.

Originally Posted by NeoBandit

I have started playing again cash games. I have been seeing this players with huge stakes 3-6 time buy-in never folding winning with hands i wouldn't play and i am loose I hardly see anyone play them like 3 6 s and win. How is this possible. How can these players win every hand there is usually 3 players at the table that are doing this. How is this possible to never lose a hand fold very little and win. Doesn't make sense to me. If they played strong hands every time i could understand that but they play hands that wouldnt be so good and win. Am i missing something. Please advise me. I am on ACR.

Are those players playing multiple tables and winning overall? If yes, it's not variance, it's skill. They are regulars playing a wide range of hands and taking advantage of the other players' post flop mistakes. And yes, playing strong starting hands in a predictable way is very much a mistake.

Well you are missing the same thing I am, my only guess is that they are very lucky, something I am not. I avoid those players if possible until they cool off a bit.

Hi, I totally feel you - just happened to me yesterday in PS Freeroll..a very bad game for me, think I was under the first 10 or 20 people to loose ^^

Hand that killed me: I go all in with few chips and AQo, one player calls with KQo - I'm like yeijj! But then, the only card which could have eliminated me came on the flop: a King. Bad luck or variance, I would say..in most cases I would have won this scenario.

Cheers

I think we should go and start from ourselves, not on the occasion. That is, if someone goes all in, it is better to reset. And go all in yourself in a good situation. Dictate your rules at the table, and do not go on about it. If the opponent puts 3 bets and you have a good card, push him 6 bets or all in. Don't wait for someone to shove you. Yes, by the way, and try your luck in multitop, it's funny, say if three went all in in Omaha, and you have J10QK then why not take a chance and ride with them. Simply so. Don't worry, it's a game. Though for money, but still a game.

Lucky animals! if I had that luck I would be grinding WSOP main events for profit!

they are players who are 24 hours at the cash table and who are there for recreation and not to make a lot of money. I think that my opinion will correct me if I'm wrong!

Good luck Bad luck its all magic lol

Variance (short-term)

Luck I think it is mere luck capable that with a little variance and knowing how to play too

Keep playing your best and don't fall into temptation. I know it sucks but luck doesn't last.

I am sure it is just a coincidence. No doubt, if you had the opportunity to follow this player's game for a week or two, you would be able to see for yourself that it was just a coincidence.

I remember years ago in the early days of Party Poker I sat down at a cash table, most likely 10/20 Limit Hold Em, but so long ago I cant be sure. I won every hand for at least a dozen or more hands. I was on top of the world thinking I was going to make so much money and then the table quickly broke up and everyone vanished.

probably complete luck, I've seen players being idiots on tourneys also, I watched a guy all in like 15-20 hands in a row and he won every single hand, even with stupid cards like 5/8 off. It was really ridiculous to watch and actually made me question the legitimacy because it was so out of control.

maybe they are lucky and they know it. also believing that makes them play with more confidence and if they are smart they can build pots to then bluff you out because they know you don't have anything and will fold.

Originally Posted by Brandlad

Most of these kind of plays occurs at low stakes.
There are two possibilities-
1- the cards are favouring to them.
2- the 3-4 players on the table are Carteling and knows their cards very well.

Aleays remember Cash in a hand is more wothy than Cash in the pot.

I am still a little new at this and don't know the term "Carteling" please enlighten me.
Kind Regards,
StreetPhd

These players are not afraid to lose and in general this is the nature of the game, they behave aggressively and on this day they are simply lucky. Try to play and learn how to beat the field in fast poker Zoom or Snap and you will immediately understand when you have a strong card in your hand despite your opponent's top pair.

sometimes variance likes to favor players who do not fold any of their hands. I have been witnesses of it on several occasions and personally I avoid playing against them because even with AA. you're probably going to lose anyway. all we can do is fold and wait until it is no longer favored by the variance.

In the long run they will lose!

Originally Posted by zinzir

Are those players playing multiple tables and winning overall? If yes, it's not variance, it's skill. They are regulars playing a wide range of hands and taking advantage of the other players' post flop mistakes. And yes, playing strong starting hands in a predictable way is very much a mistake.

With such players, you should not play strong hands at all, the only solution is to all-in on the preflop. Because in any case, they will call all your bets and raises and can collect a hand stronger than your pocket AA or KK. This is from my own experience, 85 Percent of my pocket pairs from Queens to aces I lost to such players allowing them to look at the cards Deshevo, you at least put half the Bank they will answer.

Originally Posted by StreetPhd

I am still a little new at this and don't know the term "Carteling" please enlighten me.
Kind Regards,
StreetPhd

He meant that players play together, that is, three or even five players sit at the table and they all know each other's cards, you sit down with them and they strip you to the skin then wait for the next victim.

Originally Posted by LitPavel

With such players, you should not play strong hands at all, the only solution is to all-in on the preflop. Because in any case, they will call all your bets and raises and can collect a hand stronger than your pocket AA or KK. This is from my own experience, 85 Percent of my pocket pairs from Queens to aces I lost to such players allowing them to look at the cards Deshevo, you at least put half the Bank they will answer.

Umm.... No.

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Umm.... No.

But at a table with a buy-in of $ 2, a bet of 4-5 BB will not frighten such players, even if they just have the highest card. What is your opinion on this?

By the way, I meet such players not only in cash but also in MTT. At least twice in the past week at 888poker, they went all in, but not every hand, the hands were different mostly, but every time they went all in, they won. For example, yesterday's "lucky" won against 4 opponents with a pocket hand Q7 who had pocket cards: AA KK JJ and AQ, this is the most incredible win). By the way, I noticed that such players on 888 poker do not have a country. Can this bot 888 or even whose?)))

If this" phenomenon " occurs at cash tables, it is best to move to another one. Those players who open on a wide range are probably not sitting for the first hour, and realized that they are just lucky in this table. It's much scarier when such "unique players" meet in tournaments.

P.S. I'm also in tilt at such moments.

Maybe variance, maybe too much skill. It may happen that the table sees them winning small pots with bad cards. Then the world loses patience and grows pot when they have good cards. That way they form a beautiful pile. This game has several paths.

Those type of players will come down crashing unless they cash out and leave . I ve seen a lot of them buld mountains of chips and then lose them like snow melting in the sun.

Hello. Sometimes algorhythms spin out two or three consecutive top percentage hands. It can appear that way. If a person has that happen, wins all, then follows up with very aggressive play afterwards. The player could possibly win more hands. Realistically, if a person is a caller, he will lose, like others have noted. One minute, top position, next zero. If you are playing against a caller. Wait. Until you have a good hand and blast em.
Dan'O

Maybe you're seeing the trash hands that they show when they hit. In micro, you can always play a wide range of hands and fold if players you know 3-bet. If you hit your hand, then you get paid out.

Any hand can become the nuts.

Originally Posted by NeoBandit

I have started playing again cash games. I have been seeing this players with huge stakes 3-6 time buy-in never folding winning with hands i wouldn't play and i am loose I hardly see anyone play them like 3 6 s and win. How is this possible. How can these players win every hand there is usually 3 players at the table that are doing this. How is this possible to never lose a hand fold very little and win. Doesn't make sense to me. If they played strong hands every time i could understand that but they play hands that wouldnt be so good and win. Am i missing something. Please advise me. I am on ACR.

Maybe they're lucky. I don't know. Don't play with them if you can't win.

Math and psychology. Sometimes you have to bluff to win.

most likely just variance. chances are they don’t do this on a consistent basis.
maybe someone else will be able to comment better on this, but i heard acr cashgames are full of bots?

Originally Posted by NeoBandit

I have started playing again cash games. I have been seeing this players with huge stakes 3-6 time buy-in never folding winning with hands i wouldn't play and i am loose I hardly see anyone play them like 3 6 s and win. How is this possible. How can these players win every hand there is usually 3 players at the table that are doing this. How is this possible to never lose a hand fold very little and win. Doesn't make sense to me. If they played strong hands every time i could understand that but they play hands that wouldnt be so good and win. Am i missing something. Please advise me. I am on ACR.

Agresive-loose players are very common to find... I dont know.. sometimes the odds get crazy...ACR is full of them...From time to time I play tournaments in there where the game is tighter....

Originally Posted by NeoBandit

I have started playing again cash games. I have been seeing this players with huge stakes 3-6 time buy-in never folding winning with hands i wouldn't play and i am loose I hardly see anyone play them like 3 6 s and win. How is this possible. How can these players win every hand there is usually 3 players at the table that are doing this. How is this possible to never lose a hand fold very little and win. Doesn't make sense to me. If they played strong hands every time i could understand that but they play hands that wouldnt be so good and win. Am i missing something. Please advise me. I am on ACR.

Just follow the players that do this. You'll see that after a while their crazy play continues and they bust out when their luck runs out. These players may not even be real accounts, but the purpose is to move chips around and cause players to bust out and rebuy. Then there are others whose lucky streak continues. Then there are others that pop in, stack off several times and suddenly disappear.

Sometimes they are lucky, sometimes they play so aggressive that everyone thinks they got the nuts. Bluffs are part of the game. You must read your opponents and understand any clue they may give you. That might be how long it takes to decide, how much they bet , of they raise or call earlier in the hand, how much is the pot etc

Originally Posted by NeoBandit

How can these players win every hand there is usually 3 players at the table that are doing this. How is this possible to never lose a hand fold very little and win.

Are all 3 winning every hand, or is just one of the 3 winning the hand each time instead of you?

Did you know that AK is only about 40% against 3 random hands? Or that QJ and 77 are only about 33% against 3 random hands? Did you know the only hands that have better than a 50% chance against 3 random hands are AA, KK, and QQ, and that AA is only about 60%. The point is you get into 4 way flops with loose players you are going to lose most of the time, to all sorts of junk hands.

What you should be doing is raising aggressive preflop in order to isolate and see a flop with just one of them.

I've seen this on ACR, Pokerstars, BOL, etc ... it's confusing but not unusual.
It is only a matter of moments and usually they do not last, it will happen to you at one time or another too, if you have the courage to enter with such hands.

Originally Posted by NeoBandit

I have started playing again cash games. I have been seeing this players with huge stakes 3-6 time buy-in never folding winning with hands i wouldn't play and i am loose I hardly see anyone play them like 3 6 s and win. How is this possible. How can these players win every hand there is usually 3 players at the table that are doing this. How is this possible to never lose a hand fold very little and win. Doesn't make sense to me. If they played strong hands every time i could understand that but they play hands that wouldnt be so good and win. Am i missing something. Please advise me. I am on ACR.

it frequently happens.
I had 5 hands, you still have a premium hand. the fault lies with the variance.

I play poker every day and noticed that players from Brazil, Canada, Mongolia, Great Britain and Germany deal much better than players from Russia, why this is not clear, but a player from Brazil can go all-in for 3.7 against your strong hands AA or KK and win you 98% of the time, I wrote many times to the support service, but there is always one answer, this is RNG and we do not influence the process in any way. Either these countries have a higher percentage of winnings, or they are bots, I cannot find any other explanation

Its a variance... I mean sometimes i also play any two which can make me flush when i see i am on roll... And sometimes i pay KK knowing i will lose to AJ even before flop!

sometime you run hot! what you don't see is that there last session they or even 50 before they had to fold!

This is all the luck of the distance everything will return to its place.

Originally Posted by kiso777

I play poker every day and noticed that players from Brazil, Canada, Mongolia, Great Britain and Germany deal much better than players from Russia, why this is not clear, but a player from Brazil can go all-in for 3.7 against your strong hands AA or KK and win you 98% of the time, I wrote many times to the support service, but there is always one answer, this is RNG and we do not influence the process in any way. Either these countries have a higher percentage of winnings, or they are bots, I cannot find any other explanation

That's right it's the RNG) Yesterday for example my stack in the SS Freeroll was looted in a couple of minutes I ended up in 12th place) If you only play premium hands, you will often encounter this.

Those poker gods alcohol intake is a little extreme sometime

It happens when you are on a run nothing can stand in your way, It is all about Luck and Gut feelings about hands, even in a live game it can happen, Finding my self heads up against a very good player I was bleeding chips away with his raise's and re-raise's I was dealt King/Three of clubs and he shoved from the SB all-in. I considered it for a while and told him I think you have me beat but I have a good feeling about this hand, So Unbelievably I called and he turned over Ace/King suited. Neither of us hit the flop or turn and on the river I paired my three giving me the only pair and I doubled up.
He was gobsmacked "What the hell were you thinking?" he asked me I just replied I told you I had a gut feeling and I always follow my Gut instincts.
The Luck factor wins again and again you just have to follow your instincts, only last night in a big MTT. I was on the BB with just 6 BBs left, some one on the Hi-jack shoved all-in and the Button called I had Ace of clubs and 5 of hearts, I called and spiked a heart flush on the river, The other 2 players had A/K and A/Q neither had a heart.
SKILL- most definitely not, PURE LUCK! but my reasoning for the call was I was in trouble, needed the treble up and I was priced in to make the call. Some times you need a little Luck!

When the fun Stops, STOP!

usually, the player with a ton of chips can affort to stay in with really bad cards and takes a lot of risks that normally they would not. knowing that the the programs that run have to eliminate players, it does give the advantage to players with big stacks or it seems, be patient when you play against bigger stacks, and go all in when you have the nuts after the river, not off the flop though.